Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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If Apple Watch detects a hard fall, it can help connect you to the emergency services if needed.

Here’s how it works​

If Apple Watch SE, Apple Watch Series 4 or later, or Apple Watch Ultra or later detects a hard fall while you’re wearing your watch, it will tap you on the wrist, sound an alarm and display an alert. You can choose to contact the emergency services, or dismiss the alert by pressing the Digital Crown, tapping Close in the top left-hand corner or tapping “I'm OK”.

If your Apple Watch detects that you’re moving, it will wait for you to respond to the alert and won’t automatically call the emergency services. If your watch detects that you’ve been immobile for about a minute, it will make the call automatically.1

After the call has ended, your watch will send a message to your emergency contacts with your location, letting them know that your watch has detected a hard fall and dialled the emergency services. Your watch gets your emergency contacts from your Medical ID.

If you’re immobile and there are multiple emergency numbers in your country or region, Apple Watch will automatically choose a single emergency number to dial.

If you have iPhone 14 or later (all models), Fall Detection notifications to the emergency services may be communicated by the Emergency SOS via satellite system when you’re outside mobile and Wi-Fi coverage, where Emergency SOS via satellite is available.
Is that something you have set up? A fit 51 year old might not feel the need to set that up.
 
The damage reference on the car could pertain to be a witness has seen him hit a tree or the like in the area in question not actually anything to do with what later occurred.
Agreed. His car may have been damaged from anytime prior to that Sunday. Police just asking people if they saw a damaged car, because that's what he drove. A white 4WD with damage.
 

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Some of the watches have fall detection built in.
If you dont dismiss the alert, fall detection triggers a phone call to an emergency contact, usually family first, then services. I don’t believe there was a call made.
 
No it wouldn’t show that she was repeatedly rammed by a car but it might show different signs that there was a repeated attack on her and a car can be used as a deadly weapon causing death and they made no comment as to whether a car was involved.
As I said, it’s just a thought like so many others on here.
There is no situation where you could comfortably draw that inference from watch data.
 
Is that something you have set up? A fit 51 year old might not feel the need to set that up.
As you suggest, she may of not had it set up.

It seems automatic for anyone over the age of 55 though, and you need to enter your age into the app when you set it up.
 
If she'd had a fall & didn't respond, what happens then? You would think there would be contacts in case of an emergency..? in which case you would think perhaps her family would have been alerted?

Or emergency services would have tried locating her?

But as far as we're aware her family weren't alarmed until she didn't return for the brunch.
 
The most important information is whether her movements changed…. Ie her speed increased to indicate she was in a car …. And her heart was still sending a signal.

This is important because all they have to do is link her to his car and prove that she was still alive.

I’m no legal expert but this would change her death from being manslaughter to murder….
I’d say he is under no illusion that he is being charged for murder…
 
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There’s no inference for any of the theories. We don’t know what evidence there is.
There are some theories on here that have sound reasoning and would be considered a reasonable hypothesis to work up. The watch/ramming situation was not one of them.
 
Cant tell you exactly how the watch would work but my grandfathers fall alert goes off nearly once a week because he bumps it doing something innocuous like opening the microwave and bumps it. Been seeing a lot more of my extended family since he got it as we all rush to his place 😂
Bless him, what a legend. Probably doing it deliberately to hang out
 
I don't think anyone is trying to see the best in the accused. People are just discussing & trying to provide different explanations/scenarios for what might have occurred.

And yes, the watch could provide heart rate, blood pressure, but it wouldn't indicate whether someone was being rammed repeatedly by a car... !

At the end of the day, regardless of how it occurred, this scumbag disposed of Samantha's body and is not owning up to it or revealing where her body is. There are no 'excuses'. And I don't think that's what anyone is doing.
Or he is innocent and the police have the wrong person? We have not seen anything which proves he is guilty of anything. Where is the direct evidence linking him to Samantha's disappearance.

Not that I necessarily believe this is the case, but until we have seen some sort of physical evidence we should perhaps stay a little bit open minded?
 
I disagree. There is no reasonable hypothesis without knowing the evidence. We’re all guessing
You can build a reasonable hypothesis on limited information, as some have. You can’t tell that someone is getting rammed by a car from watch data. It’s absurd.
 

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For places ive been associated with the whether Apple or Samsung the Algorithm doesnt always trigger, fall or recognise it, but there is also an sos function in an emergency.
 
Or he is innocent and the police have the wrong person? We have not seen anything which proves he is guilty of anything. Where is the direct evidence linking him to Samantha's disappearance.

Not that I necessarily believe this is the case, but until we have seen some sort of physical evidence we should perhaps stay a little bit open minded?
I don't believe the police would have arrested him for murder and said the things they said, in this case, unless they know.
 
TBH, I would be staggered if it was not sexual assault/rape then murder.

If it was one of the hit run scenarios his legal team would be looking to lessen the charge and part of that would be cooperating with police IMO. Plus the charge would be somewhat different too. Just makes no sense to me.

With out the body all scenarios are on the table….

Again her movements and the information from the watch becomes vital.
If there was a prolonged period where there was time for a sexual assault to occur, then this will be available via the watch.
 
Suspect he is not saying anything because a body will incriminate him further. Maybe even sexual assault could be revealed.
Possibly going to go the Ristevski route, if he absolutely has to. Plead guilty to killing Samantha, but say it was an accident. Thereby he doesn’t have to give evidence or get cross examined. Therefore hoping he escapes with manslaughter at the worst.
 
Or he is innocent and the police have the wrong person? We have not seen anything which proves he is guilty of anything. Where is the direct evidence linking him to Samantha's disappearance.

Not that I necessarily believe this is the case, but until we have seen some sort of physical evidence we should perhaps stay a little bit open minded?
If it turns out this guy had nothing to do with it, someone’s losing their job.
 
With out the body all scenarios are on the table….

Again her movements and the information from the watch becomes vital.
If there was a prolonged period where there was time for a sexual assault to occur, then this will be available via the watch.
Will be very interesting to see what is presented on the 15th. Yeah we are all guessing but police were fairly specific from the murder charge pov in that it was a deliberate attack.

Finding the body is key but they must have some strong intel to lay the charge. Police had him in their sights the moment they scaled down the search and said there was no ongoing threat to the public because they were tracking his every move.
 
Possibly going to go the Ristevski route, if he absolutely has to. Plead guilty to killing Samantha, but say it was an accident. Thereby he doesn’t have to give evidence or get cross examined. Therefore hoping he escapes with manslaughter at the worst.
But if the body is found could change all that.
 
Or he is innocent and the police have the wrong person? We have not seen anything which proves he is guilty of anything. Where is the direct evidence linking him to Samantha's disappearance.

Not that I necessarily believe this is the case, but until we have seen some sort of physical evidence we should perhaps stay a little bit open minded?
Whatever evidence/information they do have was enough to arrest & charge him. He now knows what that is. The police probably expected that he'd crack under questioning.

They were surveilling him for 2 weeks, so I guess they couldn't issue the search warrants they needed without alerting him, hence the arrest.

So I guess they now have more evidence which corroborates what they believe to have happened.

They charged him the next day after executing those warrants, so I suppose they found something...?
 

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