Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[mrskafoops]

47 minutes is an excellent time, especially if they are a bit, er, more mature.

He's younger than me

 

[ms finch]

I don't think that is that strange for me. They obviously nailed the guy by sifting through mobile phone data to eventually place him in the same place and the same location as the victim. I think we can all safely assume that was the stating point for the coppers.

That alone is unlikely to be enough to bring charges on. We really don't have any idea of what further evidence the police have but whoever did this had time to move the body far away from the search area. Tracking the movements of the alleged perpetrator would be very difficult to narrow down the search area. The best way to get the location of the body is to coax it out of the alleged perp. I have no idea how it works with sentencing if a deal is done on providing the location of the body, perhaps others can elaborate if providing the body would result in a sentencing reduction. It seems in the Bayley case that the police presented strong evidence of his guilt and he quickly caved, took them to the location of Jill Meagher's body.

Fair points re him having time after the actual day to move the body. However, I would assume that if they used data to place him in the same location as SM, to the degree that it contributes to them alleging murder, that they are then able to use data to track his movements from that point onwards and subsequently search the areas he was (including if that was, for example, visiting someone's house). It's possible, of course, that if he did kill her he subsequently turned his phone off or disappeared out of a data range and that made it difficult for them to further track him. But that in and of itself introduces some other questions for me about the veracity of any data evidence.

As to your other comments, from my memory of the police interview with Bayley, the officer coaxed a confession out of him by pretending to empathise with how he was feeling and what he'd done and feeding his ego so Bayley wanted to share his story. They played Bayley's psychology. Everyone has a different psychological profile so it's hard to translate this to how they might obtain a confession from someone in other circumstances, with the recognition also that an innocent person also wouldn't be likely to offer a confession (although it does happen occasionally).

If a perpetrator co-operates and offers up the location of a body, this can sometimes result in the prosecution agreeing to them pleading guilty to a lesser offence, such as manslaughter, and/or in the prosecution supporting a lower sentence than the maximum. In the case of sentencing, though, it is ultimately up to the judge. It doesn't usually result in a significant reduction of sentence in the case of the sort of murder police appear to be alleging, but the picture police are painting may not be accurate so there may be scope for co-operation to have an impact if he is actually responsible and has information to provide. I'd presume that once he has an experienced criminal lawyer they will look at advising him about these options based on the full circumstances.

 

[jason_recliner]

He's younger than me

I sometimes do sub-5-minute kms for 30 minutes but no way I could do it for 10km yet (mid-40s M). He'd be quicker over 10km than the vast majority of runners. Respect to both of you!

 

[MrsBlueSky]

I reckon the police could have kept an eye on POS for a longer period of time.
In fact, instead of waiting nearly 10 years to do a brilliant undercover sting like in the bungled Daniel Morcombe case, police may have gone in undercover straight away to catch SM's killer.
One would expect they knew who POS's mates were - bikies, neo-nazis, drug dealers, footballers whatever. Use that info and like what happened to Brett Cowan police may have been led straight to the body.
I may have been watching too many crime stories on TV but it worked in finding Daniel's murderer and it was an opportunity to get a water-tight case on POS while he was still talking, because he aint talking now.
And it was Ch7's Spotlight of all shows that suggested Daniel's killer could have been found in 2 weeks, not eight years if police had been doing their job properly.

 

[mrskafoops]

David Tamanika Solicitor is still representing POS according to EFAS. Same as with the Victoria Police - Highway Patrol-Ballarat matter. I guess that confirms its the same bloke?

 

[ms finch]

David Tamanika Solicitor is still representing POS according to EFAS. Same as with the Victoria Police - Highway Patrol-Ballarat matter. I guess that confirms its the same bloke?

Probably yes. It depend on whether there is another Patrick Stephenson in Ballarat. Tamanika appears to be one of the major Ballarat lawyers so it's possible that he would be the go to person for representation and therefore that another Patrick Stephenson would also have sought him out. But I'd say the chances of two people with the same name in the same area using the same lawyer, especially under these circumstances, is pretty remote.

 

[thumbs_up]

Probably yes. It depend on whether there is another Patrick Stephenson in Ballarat. Tamanika appears to be one of the major Ballarat lawyers so it's possible that he would be the go to person for representation and therefore that another Patrick Stephenson would also have sought him out. But I'd say the chances of two people with the same name in the same area using the same lawyer, especially under these circumstances, is pretty remote.

Perhaps there are two David Tamanika's

 

[Underarrest_]

Because it's not always as obvious at it seems until they are located.

Reminds me of when Daniel O'Keefe went missing in Geelong.

5 years he was missing until they found his remains on the family home property.

Yes what a sad case that was. His family looking for him for all those years.
The police had searched the property too. Goes to show the police/ searchers can miss things. They’re only human. Hopefully they haven’t overlooked SM’s body in a search.

 

[jason_recliner]

Perhaps there are two David Tamanika's

Are we certain it's the same Samantha Murphy?

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Are we certain it's the same Samantha Murphy?

I think there's only one jason recliner

 

[jason_recliner]

I think there's only one jason recliner

Don't be so sure!

 

[look]

22yr old man has died in fire whilst on remand in Melbourne - no names yet.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I think there's only one jason recliner

We used to have a Jason recliner - we named our cat Jason because he hid under it the first day we got him

 

[31550]

22yr old man has died in fire whilst on remand in Melbourne - no names yet.

What sort of security / surveillance do they have at the remand centre which allows this to happen?

 

[jason_recliner]

What sort of security / surveillance do they have at the remand centre which allows this to happen?

There are no cameras in the cells so it's very easy to start a fire (and do a bunch of other things).

 

[Rob R]

22yr old man has died in fire whilst on remand in Melbourne - no names yet.

I hope the cell wasn't damaged badly.

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[jason_recliner]

I hope the cell wasn't damaged badly.

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Fortunately the cells use a very durable concrete, steel and hardened glass construction. The mattresses, clothes and other flammables (e.g. TV, video games, paper) burn but the temperature is low. The inhabitant/s die from smoke inhalation but impacts on the cell are largely limited to smoke damage.

 

[Kurve]

Let's keep in mind remand prisoners haven't been convicted. Whoever this 22yo is, they likely died a horrible death and officially, innocent of the crime/s they've been charged with.

 

[31550]

There are no cameras in the cells so it's very easy to start a fire (and do a bunch of other things).

The Metropolitan Remand Centre is a Maximum Security men's prison.
An incident such as this should not be casually dismissed. There needs to be a full inquiry, preferably independent.

 

[31550]

Eh? You asked about the camera arrangement, I answered you.

I didn't ask solely about camera arrangements specifically. I said:

What sort of security / surveillance do they have at the remand centre which allows this to happen?

A maximum security prison should have multiple security and surveillance systems. In order to start a fire, an inmate would need access to both a sufficient quantity of flammable materials, and a method of ignition. How did these come to be in a cell without detection? Why are there no smoke detectors / heat detectors / passive infrared detectors, sprinklers, if not in cells, then in nearby corridors?
The inmates (not to mention guards) have a right to expect reasonable protection.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Hypothetically speaking, what happens if the main suspect of a murder suddenly dies?

 

[Kurve]

Hypothetically speaking, what happens if the main suspect of a murder suddenly dies?

Probably to a coroner's inquiry.

 

[jason_recliner]

I didn't ask solely about camera arrangements specifically. I said:

A maximum security prison should have multiple security and surveillance systems. In order to start a fire, an inmate would need access to both a sufficient quantity of flammable materials, and a method of ignition. How did these come to be in a cell without detection? Why are there no smoke detectors / heat detectors / passive infrared detectors, sprinklers, if not in cells, then in nearby corridors?
The inmates (not to mention guards) have a right to expect reasonable protection.

At least where I worked and from what I know about others... prisoners have lighters (to smoke), sheets and mattresses and clothes are enough to burn, start a fire, and kill from smoke inhalation. All these things are in the cell. There are smoke detectors. Cell fire is highly unlikely to significantly harm a guard or anybody who isn't in the cell.

Smoking was banned in some prisons for a while but prisoners bitched so much they brought it back. Good one.

 

[Munich]

At least where I worked and from what I know about others... prisoners have lighters (to smoke), sheets and mattresses and clothes are enough to burn, start a fire, and kill from smoke inhalation. All these things are in the cell. There are smoke detectors. Cell fire is highly unlikely to significantly harm a guard or anybody who isn't in the cell.

Smoking was banned in some prisons for a while but prisoners bitched so much they brought it back. Good one.

Isn't the smoking ban what caused the riot there years ago?

 

[jason_recliner]

Isn't the smoking ban what caused the riot there years ago?

Definitely caused unrest in more than one facility, not sure about this remand centre.