Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Munich]

I really hope this isn't just salacious gossip

Same. But I only listen to people from Ballarat who know cops, and it's doing the rounds down there. I'll happily state it's nonsense if I hear otherwise.

 

[Munich]

The prosecution will have a much stronger case if it's true, no doubt

Their case is already strong.

He's cooked.

 

[jason_recliner]

Their case is already strong.

He's cooked.

Yup.

 

[craffles]

Their case is already strong.

He's cooked.

Highly doubt it unless they have covert video or audio recordings. Cops are known to talk absolute shit and play games by feeding false information out. I reckon you’ve been had.

 

[31550]

Same. But I only listen to people from Ballarat who know cops, and it's doing the rounds down there. I'll happily state it's nonsense if I hear otherwise.

The question is why this is only coming out NOW? It's been ages since he was arrested. Yes cops blab. So why didn't anyone blab earlier?
Not reported in any media. No quote. No attribution.
I think we need a little more before we start taking this as fact.

 

[Munich]

The question is why this is only coming out NOW? It's been ages since he was arrested. Yes cops blab. So why didn't anyone blab earlier?
Not reported in any media. No quote. No attribution.
I think we need a little more before we start taking this as fact.

Never said it was fact and the media are pretty useless if you hadn't noticed.

Only passing on what I've heard which you're very welcome to ignore. I don't catch up with Ballarat people that frequently, so I've heard this now, I didn't say it's just come out now down there.

 

[Munich]

Highly doubt it unless they have covert video or audio recordings. Cops are known to talk absolute shit and play games by feeding false information out. I reckon you’ve been had.

The local cops aren't even on the case. It was taken over very early on. You can believe as you wish and ignore what I'm saying, I don't really mind one way or the other.

 

[Awakening]

Not in a platonic manner.

Sounds like something an accused person might say to explain why a victims dna was inside their vehicle, imo. Doesn’t make it true.

 

[31550]

Never said it was fact and the media are pretty useless if you hadn't noticed.

Only passing on what I've heard which you're very welcome to ignore. I don't catch up with Ballarat people that frequently, so I've heard this now, I didn't say it's just come out now down there.

We have 'heard' lots of stuff about this case, including:

• drug connections
• bikie connections
• misattributed parentage connections
• panel-beating fraud connections
• alien connections

Just not sure why we should believe any of it at the moment until someone in authority makes a formal statement.

 

[jason_recliner]

Sounds like something an accused person might say to explain why a victims dna was inside their vehicle, imo. Doesn’t make it true.

That's a really good point.

 

[31550]

Reminder of what police originally said in their presser:

Was he known to Samantha? (about 10 minutes in)

"I don't have that knowledge. I don't believe that to be the case."

 

[jason_recliner]

Reminder of what police originally said in their presser:

Was he known to Samantha? (about 10 minutes in)

"I don't have that knowledge. I don't believe that to be the case."

It's possible the police have obtained additional information during the succeeding eight months of investigations.

 

[Munich]

We have 'heard' lots of stuff about this case, including:

• drug connections
• bikie connections
• misattributed parentage connections
• panel-beating fraud connections
• alien connections

Just not sure why we should believe any of it at the moment until someone in authority makes a formal statement.

You're free to believe anything you like. I'm not going to reveal who I speak to, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[31550]

It's possible the police have obtained additional information during the succeeding eight months of investigations.

Only 'possible'? One would hope they've got something in eight months!

 

[minivegscroll]

You're free to believe anything you like. I'm not going to reveal who I speak to, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I think maybe it’s difficult to believe that anyone with access to reliable information would disseminate anything. Time will tell for the rest of us

 

[Kurve]

I think maybe it’s difficult to believe that anyone with access to reliable information would disseminate anything. Time will tell for the rest of us

The rumours have been circulating for some time, we even had a new poster come in to the thread to make an account of what they saw one night ... and it was deleted.

It's okay to have a discussion about what the locals might be saying, provided it's not presented as a fact.

 

[Edna Mode]

Statistically, victims of murder are overwhelmingly murdered by someone they know.

The prosecution will have a much stronger case if it's true, no doubt

And the prosecution needs to show there was intent to commit the offence.

 

[Edna Mode]

Yep. This didn't make sense demographic wise to me, I originally thought they must have known one another and forgot about it for a while, but keep hearing recently, that they did.

Through her business ? I wonder where the family got their vehicles serviced ? And his motorbike etc ?

 

[Edna Mode]

Highly doubt it unless they have covert video or audio recordings. Cops are known to talk absolute shit and play games by feeding false information out. I reckon you’ve been had.

He had to provide an Alibi on Friday, but If the police lets say have footage, that would be hard to believe of any actual footage of him with the crime ?

 

[shorsky]

The rumours have been circulating for some time, we even had a new poster come in to the thread to make an account of what they saw one night ... and it was deleted.

It's okay to have a discussion about what the locals might be saying, provided it's not presented as a fact.

IMO, whenever such situations occur, there are always ‘stories’, which often grow all sorts of ‘tales’ over time.

I’m sure Police have heard all that I’ve heard, ranging from the below as per 31550:

• drug connections
• bikie connections.
• misattributed parentage connections
• panel-beating fraud connections
• alien connections

And moving to things such as:

• supposedly bikie investments in the panel beating business
• MM heavy drinker and gambler
• MM into underhand dealings
• SM and MM were separated but living under same roof
• SM planning a divorce
• Both had other ‘friends’
• SM ‘friend’ passed away a few days after she went missing
• POS parents under police protection
• Etc etc …

Hopefully the fact that POS has elected to go straight to Trial will at least mean that people will have answers, one way or the other, quicker than may otherwise have occurred. My heart actually breaks for all those who love both of them.

 

[thumbs_up]

This latest theory sounds like complete BS. Happy to say I'm wrong if it's proven otherwise Munich

 

[Edna Mode]

IMO, whenever such situations occur, there are always ‘stories’, which often grow all sorts of ‘tales’ over time.

I’m sure Police have heard all that I’ve heard, ranging from the below as per 31550:

• drug connections
• bikie connections.
• misattributed parentage connections
• panel-beating fraud connections
• alien connections

And moving to things such as:

• supposedly bikie investments in the panel beating business
• MM heavy drinker and gambler
• MM into underhand dealings
• SM and MM were separated but living under same roof
• SM planning a divorce
• Both had other ‘friends’
• SM ‘friend’ passed away a few days after she went missing
• POS parents under police protection
• Etc etc …

Hopefully the fact that POS has elected to go straight to Trial will at least mean that people will have answers, one way or the other, quicker than may otherwise have occurred. My heart actually breaks for all those who love both of them.

I agree, so dreadfully sad for her loved ones and now close to Xmas. I have heard similar rumours and more. Likewise, I wish this trial hurry up and come, so we all know what has happened to poor Samantha

 

[Sqotty from office works]

I need a full rundown of the alien theory.
Asking for a friend.

 

[Munich]

I think maybe it’s difficult to believe that anyone with access to reliable information would disseminate anything. Time will tell for the rest of us

Hmm not really. It's a smallish place and police down there have civ mates (like anywhere). The first time I heard about the main piece of evidence was a cop at a BBQ (my mates house) telling him about it.

There were other people at the BBQ who knew SM's family so he was careful not to say anything in front of those people.

My brother has had a few cops tell him things on Grindr of all places.

People close to the case are talking, I know that for a fact.

 

[Munich]

This latest theory sounds like complete BS. Happy to say I'm wrong if it's proven otherwise Munich

Could very well be but I've always thought they had to have crossed paths before, so it didn't surprise me that much.

Time will tell.