Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Cataholic]

There may be a whole back story to this that we don't know, in which the phone is a significant piece, and the police know the murderer knows this, and used the discovery as a tactic to pressure him / her.

 

[BonzaRam]

I don't think it is that hard to understand that the "find my" iphone service doesn't work when the phone is under water but can start to work when the iphone is no longer submerged. Seen as it was found in mud it is quite possible that they located it via gps when the dam water level dropped due to livestock use and/or evaporation. The dog pinpointed where it was.

Not sure what to write in to the show of jubilation when it was on the bank other than perhaps they were happy to discovery it was in fact SMs phone?

As for the media chopper? well the media were desperate for info and they do act like bloodhounds when they get a whiff of something...

Seen as POS was arrested well before the phone was found I would say they had evidence from elsewhere and the phone to them was like a cherry on top when it comes to evidence.

 

[31550]

IMO the phone 'discovery' was a staged event for the media, with the intent on pressuring POS or other perps/witnesses into confessing or revealing further information. It didn't work, as this didn't happen. We don't even know for sure that this was Samantha's phone. We certainly don't know the connection between the phone / dam location and the crime itself or POS. If there was compelling evidence arising from the phone find, the case would be further advanced than it is currently IMO.

 

[Edna Mode]

IMO the phone 'discovery' was a staged event for the media, with the intent on pressuring POS or other perps/witnesses into confessing or revealing further information. It didn't work, as this didn't happen. We don't even know for sure that this was Samantha's phone. We certainly don't know the connection between the phone / dam location and the crime itself or POS. If there was compelling evidence arising from the phone find, the case would be further advanced than it is currently IMO.

The phone was identified by her husband by reports. But still very strange and why that particular dam, when there are so many dams on that road by the map and more private

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I don't think it is that hard to understand that the "find my" iphone service doesn't work when the phone is under water but can start to work when the iphone is no longer submerged. Seen as it was found in mud it is quite possible that they located it via gps when the dam water level dropped due to livestock use and/or evaporation. The dog pinpointed where it was.

Not sure what to write in to the show of jubilation when it was on the bank other than perhaps they were happy to discovery it was in fact SMs phone?

As for the media chopper? well the media were desperate for info and they do act like bloodhounds when they get a whiff of something...

Seen as POS was arrested well before the phone was found I would say they had evidence from elsewhere and the phone to them was like a cherry on top when it comes to evidence.

If an iPhone is submerged in water and mud it will die and won’t be findable no matter how dry it gets after

 

[BonzaRam]

If an iPhone is submerged in water and mud it will die and won’t be findable no matter how dry it gets after

Really? I wonder if perhaps the type of phone case on the phone makes any difference?

"There have been too many instances of Apple iPhones surviving underwater for months."

iPhone 12 submerged in water a year ago, found in working condition

A surprising event took place in Madison, Wisconsin, USA, when a scuba club found an iPhone that had been underwater for almost a year.

www.indiatoday.in

_________________

"In a surprising incident reported by Apple Insider, an iPhone 12 was found in perfect working condition after three months of being submerged in the Stanislaus River in Northern California, covered in algae due to the extended underwater exposure."

iPhone 12 Recovered After Being Underwater For Three Months: Here's What Happened - News18

After being submerged in the Stanislaus River in Northern California for three months, an iPhone 12 was discovered by a diver, still in working condition.

www.news18.com

___________________

 

[BonzaRam]

some more examples

iPhone 11 reunited with owner after spending 6 months in a lake | AppleInsider

A diver has recovered an iPhone 11 from the bottom of a lake in British Columbia, one that managed to survive submerged for almost 6 months.

appleinsider.com

iPhone recovered from lake after 10 months, found to be fully-functioning

A lost iPhone was recovered earlier this month after being lost at a stag party 10 months earlier, and to the owner's surprise, it was still working.Miguel Pacheco, 29, found the device in the River Wye, took it home, put it on charging...

www.geo.tv

 

[BonzaRam]

What if the phone is turned off or dead?

"Does Find My iPhone work when the phone is dead? Yes! If you're wondering how to find a dead iPhone or how to find a lost iPhone that is turned off, we've got you covered."

How to Find a Lost iPhone That Is Turned Off or Dead—3 Ways

Does Find My iPhone work when the phone is dead? Yes! If you're wondering how to find a dead iPhone or how to find a lost iPhone that is turned off, we've got you covered. You can even use Find My from a web browser, allowing you to easily locate your device using a computer or an Android...

www.iphonelife.com

 

[31550]

What if the phone is turned off or dead?

"Does Find My iPhone work when the phone is dead? Yes! If you're wondering how to find a dead iPhone or how to find a lost iPhone that is turned off, we've got you covered."

How to Find a Lost iPhone That Is Turned Off or Dead—3 Ways

Does Find My iPhone work when the phone is dead? Yes! If you're wondering how to find a dead iPhone or how to find a lost iPhone that is turned off, we've got you covered. You can even use Find My from a web browser, allowing you to easily locate your device using a computer or an Android...

www.iphonelife.com

Yeah, read the fine print. It will give you the location of the last ping BEFORE it died, or was switched off.
So, if it was switched off or 'killed' before it was taken to the dam it could not have been located in the dam using 'Find My'...
We don't know that the cops used 'Find My' to locate this phone or not.
They may have used other forensic detection methods, e.g. tech sniffer dogs.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Really? I wonder if perhaps the type of phone case on the phone makes any difference?

"There have been too many instances of Apple iPhones surviving underwater for months."

iPhone 12 submerged in water a year ago, found in working condition

A surprising event took place in Madison, Wisconsin, USA, when a scuba club found an iPhone that had been underwater for almost a year.

www.indiatoday.in

_________________

"In a surprising incident reported by Apple Insider, an iPhone 12 was found in perfect working condition after three months of being submerged in the Stanislaus River in Northern California, covered in algae due to the extended underwater exposure."

iPhone 12 Recovered After Being Underwater For Three Months: Here's What Happened - News18

After being submerged in the Stanislaus River in Northern California for three months, an iPhone 12 was discovered by a diver, still in working condition.

www.news18.com

___________________

Survived in water yes.
Gave signal whilst underwater is a different question.

 

[BonzaRam]

Survived in water yes.
Gave signal whilst underwater is a different question.

Yep, i did say that.

I don't think it is that hard to understand that the "find my" iphone service doesn't work when the phone is under water but can start to work when the iphone is no longer submerged.

Has it ever been confirmed that the phone was ever under water?, we know it was found in mud in a phone case with her cards etc, in working condition, and dams used by livestock have churned mud all around the waters edge. If it was thrown from a distance it may not have made it to the water.

 

[TimZoo]

Just spent the last 5 days close to Ballarat, even went into town twice.

Interesting place…

As a local,it's sweet of you not to call it a God forsaken shithole

 

[Percel]

As a local,it's sweet of you not to call it a God forsaken shithole

One part seemed quite old and very senior oriented, while others had history , was pretty and very Australian.

 

[TimZoo]

One part seemed quite old and very senior oriented, while others had history , was pretty and very Australian.

Yes,that sums it up, The cbd & the lake are nice enough,as for the rest of it,anyone who owns a bulldozer is quite welcome to have at it

 

[MauroFogheri]

Just spent the last 5 days close to Ballarat, even went into town twice.

Interesting place…

Yeah there are ferals in the cbd (highlight recently was a drunk stripping-off outside Woolies, posing naked on a parked 1940's MG mudguard, then tossing this gigantic, spreadsheets brown eye to the shocked girls at Bakers Delight....but I digress) but have you seen Elizabeth+Flinders St recently? Someone once told me that people in Ballarat are all slightly bitter, and that is definitely true but having lived a lot in the inner ring of Melbourne, where I saw people become gradually more snobbish the older I got, would take these folk any day

 

[Royces Hart]

highlight recently was a drunk stripping-off outside Woolies, posing naked on a parked 1940's MG mudguard, then tossing this gigantic, spreadsheets brown eye to the shocked girls at Bakers Delight

Robbo hasn’t taken his sacking from 360 very well.