Understable and you make a good point however the bloke that said their given out to people who go to good schools already is also true. The fact is offering these scholarships is fine but they should be given with the requirement that the students receiving them retain a certain academic level throught the year. That way you dont get the football playing dropkicks that scholarships bring. OK poor kids should deserve to get a good education i agree, but most these kids either arent poor or dont actaully receive the education and just end up being school boy champions and nothing more. Basically all they end up getting is a few good football stories to tell the rest of the blokes on the factory floor.
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Understable and you make a good point however the bloke that said their given out to people who go to good schools already is also true. The fact is offering these scholarships is fine but they should be given with the requirement that the students receiving them retain a certain academic level throught the year. That way you dont get the football playing dropkicks that scholarships bring. OK poor kids should deserve to get a good education i agree, but most these kids either arent poor or dont actaully receive the education and just end up being school boy champions and nothing more. Basically all they end up getting is a few good football stories to tell the rest of the blokes on the factory floor.
Darc21
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Haha mate you are losing all credibility. As I pointed out plain and simple for you, these asistance programs are by no means scholarship as with the drought relief program, it assists people who kids were or are already at school for a period of time, not as soon as they walk in. And as for the indigenous kids, the two who have recieved the benefits over the last two years, one is playing seconds footy and the other has gone back home. Hardly the 5 or so indigenous kids lining up for the ones at Scotch. And as for 4 or 5 boarders playing ones, I dont know where you get that from. At present there is only two and they are both full fee paying. Your talking about things clearly out of your depth mate. Xavier does not give out sporting scholarships. Get used to it and moved on!
Gary_Ablett_5
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moving on, how many xavier boys are coming to the game? has there been much organised by your school?
notorious_big
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Ne fra? Basically if u went to xavier u would understand that they have a max 1 player on a scholarship, if that... If thats more then every other school except caulfield and hailebury... good on them. But its not for scotch for one. I dont even think they have a single player on a scholarship.
notorious_big
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Hailebury v Xavs? No idea. Id assume about 500.
Alan Smith
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Aaron Kleinshmidt is on a scholarship, freak at hockey, will play for Australia, he goes to Xavier.
It is called academic as I don't think he can afford to go to the school otherwise, none the less, I don't think Xavier would have given the scholarship so someone in his position who didn't bear the extreme talent at hockey as he does.
SO 1 - It is a scholarship to help their sporting team.
In the firsts football there are no players on scholarship. Sibasado is on a scholarship, he is playing two's. His cousin was at Xavier for two years and played in the 9 c and 10 c teams before going back to Broome. The indigenous scholarship is not purposely for gun footballers, it just so happens to be the case for some.
There is no more than 2 borders currently getting games in the Xavier firsts. Im pretty sure they both have accounts in bigfooty, ask them yourselfs, their parents still have to fork out the 20 grande plus to board at Xavier.
SO 2, yes they have a sport scholarship pretty much, but it is not for football.
It is called academic as I don't think he can afford to go to the school otherwise, none the less, I don't think Xavier would have given the scholarship so someone in his position who didn't bear the extreme talent at hockey as he does.
SO 1 - It is a scholarship to help their sporting team.
In the firsts football there are no players on scholarship. Sibasado is on a scholarship, he is playing two's. His cousin was at Xavier for two years and played in the 9 c and 10 c teams before going back to Broome. The indigenous scholarship is not purposely for gun footballers, it just so happens to be the case for some.
There is no more than 2 borders currently getting games in the Xavier firsts. Im pretty sure they both have accounts in bigfooty, ask them yourselfs, their parents still have to fork out the 20 grande plus to board at Xavier.
SO 2, yes they have a sport scholarship pretty much, but it is not for football.
stiegs5
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I was offered a scholarship to go to PEGS at the end of 1986 which was actually closer to my house than where I went to school at the time, Assumption College. I stayed at ACK and was part of the 87 and 88 AGS and SunShield victories, despite the financial freedom that would have meant to a policemans family. The thought of defecting never entered my head. I've read in these posts that Assumption always offered football scholarships which really gets on my nerves. Not one player that I've ever been aware of was offered a scholarship from the school, despite our lack of numbers and competitiveness "on paper". We didn't need to. Things may have changed and I know that ACK are about half the population of what they were in 88'. It is particularly relevent to consider the number of boarders at the school. Among the players that I played with, almost all were boarders from farming or country areas. That, in essence, was the secret to the schools success, togetherness and genuine love of each other and the school. How else could we compete against schools that were often five times our size? That is what the big city teams never had and that's why they never beat us. As I mentioned, the school has changed a lot over the last 20 years, but in my two years in the 1st XVIII at ACK we lost one game (against Hailebury in 88, 7points I think) and pretty much spanked everyone else by big margains. I don't think Xavier got withing 10 goals of us during those two years. St. Bernards were the only team that ran us close, in both Sun Shield finals.
Now this is all not to say that players were not at ACK on scholarships at all. Melbourne Football Club paid for my last two years (started doing so long after the approach from PEGS) and I'm pretty sure that Richmond paid for Barry Young to go there. However I'm unaware of anyone else who was paid by anyone to go there. Things may have changed. Most certainly though, the school itself never handed out football scholarships, something we all took great pride in. We always saw it as us against the rest and for my (teams) part, we always won. If things have changed in that regard over recent times then that's fine. A sign of the times I guess. However when you consider the accomplishments of ACKs 1st XVIII over the last century only bias, legitimate jealousy or just a plain fool, will not acknowledge that Assumption has the richest history of any school in regard to Aussie Rules football in the history of our country and game. For a moment consider the graduates and the part they've played in Aussie Rules Culture.
Off the top of my head: Crimmins, Bourke, Keenan, Brownless, Crawford, O'Donnell, Serafini, McCormick, Edwards, Heath..........and these are just the front line names I'm remembering, there are countless others. No school in Australia can even get close to boasting the number and quality of it's alumni as Assumption College Kilmore can.
Now this is all not to say that players were not at ACK on scholarships at all. Melbourne Football Club paid for my last two years (started doing so long after the approach from PEGS) and I'm pretty sure that Richmond paid for Barry Young to go there. However I'm unaware of anyone else who was paid by anyone to go there. Things may have changed. Most certainly though, the school itself never handed out football scholarships, something we all took great pride in. We always saw it as us against the rest and for my (teams) part, we always won. If things have changed in that regard over recent times then that's fine. A sign of the times I guess. However when you consider the accomplishments of ACKs 1st XVIII over the last century only bias, legitimate jealousy or just a plain fool, will not acknowledge that Assumption has the richest history of any school in regard to Aussie Rules football in the history of our country and game. For a moment consider the graduates and the part they've played in Aussie Rules Culture.
Off the top of my head: Crimmins, Bourke, Keenan, Brownless, Crawford, O'Donnell, Serafini, McCormick, Edwards, Heath..........and these are just the front line names I'm remembering, there are countless others. No school in Australia can even get close to boasting the number and quality of it's alumni as Assumption College Kilmore can.
specialedition
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whats ur name? im at A.C.K atm doing yr 12 and played first footy last year but did my knee in the preseason.. the school has never offered a scholarship as its against the marist way of life (equality) along with that mr carol is firmly against it ans although he goes out and seek's players and ask's them to come to our school no financial help is provided.. in my opinion other schools scholaships has resulted in last years and this years poor teams.. adam maric was ment to come to our school but was not let in due to his bias of football.. one of the best under 18's in the country.. scholaships are ruining the fairness and the competitiveness of college football as its allowing the richer schools to gain talent through finacial support!.. should be banned!!!
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Well said.
ACK are truly an exceptional football school that is highly regarded in the AFL and Community.
Hope the drought subsides and your school comes back to where it was!
Another kid that was supposed to come to ACK was Tom Hawkins.
His Grandfather and uncles went there.
Scholarship to MGS fixed that!
ACK are truly an exceptional football school that is highly regarded in the AFL and Community.
Hope the drought subsides and your school comes back to where it was!
Another kid that was supposed to come to ACK was Tom Hawkins.
His Grandfather and uncles went there.
Scholarship to MGS fixed that!
Saw in the Northern Knights team that Hood, Witkowski & Grimes u/16 were all named on the bench for this weekends TAC game and another reader quoted that Cachia would have got a start before these 3 boys but he has school football. I cannot understand the benefit to the APS boys (scholarship or no scholarship) football if they are not allowed to play at the highest level. Surely TAC Cup is a higher level of football than APS - or am I wrong.
Who does the school make as their priority - the school name or the player's personal future? My view is ( and a lot of people will probably jump down my throat) TAC Cup is a lot higher level than School footy. Let these boys play school footy then as it leaves the door open for other kids to show their stuff.
Who does the school make as their priority - the school name or the player's personal future? My view is ( and a lot of people will probably jump down my throat) TAC Cup is a lot higher level than School footy. Let these boys play school footy then as it leaves the door open for other kids to show their stuff.
i posted that and the reason i said that was cause the way cachia played against the best footballer in the APS tomy lynch
i thought was something amazing.there is a thread if you flick thru the pages "TAC Cup vs APS - which is better?" or something like that...ull find all you need to know there
i posted that and the reason i said that was cause the way cachia played against the best footballer in the APS tomy lynch
there is a thread if you flick thru the pages "TAC Cup vs APS - which is better?" or something like that...ull find all you need to know there
Rioli and Henderson are a lot better mate
Get your facts straight. Dad Jack and uncle Rob both went to MGS and played for Geelong. Cousin Mark also at Mgs and plays for OMs.
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davo 5 is making a few mistakes these days, and especially about the hailyebury vs xavier game, would appreciate it if you get ur facts right
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Good to see someone actually knows what they're talking about, Smoking. Tom Hawkins' grandfather Wynne (1940) also attended MGS, as did his great uncle Alan (1942), uncle Michael (1969) and cousin Andrew (1998) as well as those named above, and a few others including cousin (I think) Richard, who's at MGS now. Tom was actually signed up to go to Geelong College, where his sisters and uncles (the Le Deux boys, on the mother's side) attended, but the longer family history at MGS proved too strong a lure.
stiegs5
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Pics619, I went to ACK from 83' to 88'. Chris Stiegler is my name. I played in the 86' team under Phil Brooks, 87' under Chris McNamara and 88' under Jon Henry.
I'd say that 87' was the best team by virtue of the fact that we lost that one game in 88' and in 87' we went through undefeated. Both were awesome though. The best winning performance of either year though, I think was in 88', in a Sun Shield quarter final against Melbourne High. The only AFL player in our team was Matty Dundas who was actually out injured that day with a collarbone (although he may have broken it early in that game). Melbourne High boasted Andy Lovell, Matt Knights, Steven Tingay, John A'Hern, Steve Ryan and a host of other AFL reserves and U/19 players. We won the game at the Junction Oval by a decent margin, even though on paper we should have be thrashed. We played DeLaSalle in the semi and St. Bernards in the final. I remember Ben Crimmins playing a great game in the semi against DeLa. The teams from my three years in the Firsts should probably have lost many games given our relatively annonomys teams. My earlier post gives some insight into why I think we continued to win despite this.
It seems to me that the school footy landscape has changed a lot in recent times but I think it's worth remembering that for a period of time between the 50s and all the way up until just the last few years, Assumption has dominated Australian school football. I bet if you stacked up the AGS, Sun Shield and traditional games, ACK would be miles in front of the head to head against any school in Australia!
As well as Sacred Heart are doing these days, there was a time when they wouldn't get close to us. We killed them in 87' when they boasted Tregenza and Corcoran and handily beat them in 88' in Adelaide. It had been years since they had beaten us before that.
Xavier of 85' with Tuddenham and O'Brien as well as Marcellin of 84' with Silvani and Gavin Brown were easily the best teams of their respective years.
I'd say that 87' was the best team by virtue of the fact that we lost that one game in 88' and in 87' we went through undefeated. Both were awesome though. The best winning performance of either year though, I think was in 88', in a Sun Shield quarter final against Melbourne High. The only AFL player in our team was Matty Dundas who was actually out injured that day with a collarbone (although he may have broken it early in that game). Melbourne High boasted Andy Lovell, Matt Knights, Steven Tingay, John A'Hern, Steve Ryan and a host of other AFL reserves and U/19 players. We won the game at the Junction Oval by a decent margin, even though on paper we should have be thrashed. We played DeLaSalle in the semi and St. Bernards in the final. I remember Ben Crimmins playing a great game in the semi against DeLa. The teams from my three years in the Firsts should probably have lost many games given our relatively annonomys teams. My earlier post gives some insight into why I think we continued to win despite this.
It seems to me that the school footy landscape has changed a lot in recent times but I think it's worth remembering that for a period of time between the 50s and all the way up until just the last few years, Assumption has dominated Australian school football. I bet if you stacked up the AGS, Sun Shield and traditional games, ACK would be miles in front of the head to head against any school in Australia!
As well as Sacred Heart are doing these days, there was a time when they wouldn't get close to us. We killed them in 87' when they boasted Tregenza and Corcoran and handily beat them in 88' in Adelaide. It had been years since they had beaten us before that.
Xavier of 85' with Tuddenham and O'Brien as well as Marcellin of 84' with Silvani and Gavin Brown were easily the best teams of their respective years.
stiegs5
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Notorious,
I think if you'll read my post you'll see that I said Melbourne High School not Melbourne Grammar!
I think we beat Melbourne Grammar by around 32 goals in 88'
And regardless of how good either school is now I was talking about these things in the context of my time at ACK. I think my post perfectly explains that.
I think if you'll read my post you'll see that I said Melbourne High School not Melbourne Grammar!
I think we beat Melbourne Grammar by around 32 goals in 88'
And regardless of how good either school is now I was talking about these things in the context of my time at ACK. I think my post perfectly explains that.
