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Well, if you asked the footballing fraternity to tell you one are where each club is deficient, your answer would be ;sharpie said:
Hawthorn - Developing squad. Crap backline. Need a decent key defender.
West Coast - Awesome mids. Great backs. Crap forward line. Need a decent forward.
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You would be the first to admit that your forwardline is not as good as your midfield, rucks or backline, so the point is mootsharpie said:
eg: Take Selwood out of your GF team and replace him with Tarrant, I would put money on a blow out, it's only your low scoring forwardline that allows Sydney to get so close everytime, and dont tell me how few goals Tarrant kicks, everyone forgets he runs like a midfielder and creates goal after goal upfield and deep
amos
Mozzie Bites FFC CEO
Hey, Kaitsey, ease up on the language, mate. And what's this about offering 'Fletcher'. The word was 'high price'.Kaitsey said:
amos said:
no one is doubting that our forward line isn't the best in the league
but you don't need to be the best all over the park to win a flag as we showed this year.
IF we get tarrant - then great, if not - we have proven we can win a flag without him - so we focus on that.
the word desperation is not one I would associate with any reigning premier
amos
Mozzie Bites FFC CEO
Okay, my whole wording of that sentence was actually an argument to Benncuff's statement that Fletcher was better than Tarrant. Let me rephrase ; Tarrant is more valuable to West Coast because West Coast forward structure could benefit from better output from the supply created by Cox, Kerr, Judd, Cousins, Braun and Fletcher that they are currently gettingsharpie said:
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sharpie said:
Yep, I agree.
Nisbet was on SEN earlier in the day and he said he was surprised someone of Tarrant's quality was up on offer but he doubted they would be able to release anything that would interest Collingwood but said they would talk over the next few days and try to come out with a deal but stressed it was unlikely because they were not prepared to trade off required players.
I have a lot of respect for Eagles when it comes to trading, you dont get the BS you get with a lot of other clubs, they are open and honest and have a transparent policy in terms of recruitment both draft and trade and prefer to build from the ground up but will look at some players which become available.
If it was desperation we'd be giving in to their demands of Rosa/Waters/Butler/Selwood/whoever and our first pick, which we aren't doing.
Tarrant won't be an Eagle next year because the Eagles won't meet the demands. Freo might as they have a player who wants out in Polak, we don't have any this year outside of McDougall who is pretty much worthless.
Really though, Collingwood should hold onto him, why they are thinking about trading him I don't know, if Rocca was to get injured again and Tarrant and Didak are not around it could get very ugly.
Tarrant won't be an Eagle next year because the Eagles won't meet the demands. Freo might as they have a player who wants out in Polak, we don't have any this year outside of McDougall who is pretty much worthless.
Really though, Collingwood should hold onto him, why they are thinking about trading him I don't know, if Rocca was to get injured again and Tarrant and Didak are not around it could get very ugly.
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Rosa very soft and has inherent flaws, he'll be the one WC throw up (and please dont go telling me what a gun he is, you didn't even play him in the GF)
See Wisbeys rating:
Matt Rosa (North Ballarat Rebels)
189/74 mid-age right foot (has other foot if nec)
*STYLE LIKE:
*HURT FACTOR (Offensive/Defensive/Negative):
- Low / low / medium.
*TRADEMARK:
- Receive out wide then 40m accurate floater pass, then perpetual-motion cruise to the next opportunity.
*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:
- Gets a lot of ball and fairly accurate but takes some time to kick and kicks tend to be floaters. Very outside. Covers lot of ground, floating, rather than charging, from contest to contest but doesn't often contest with great intensity.
- Had a good U18 Champs, including stitching up a likely draftee (Batchelor) in the first half of the SA game.
- Is a good kid and likely to do well at VFL level but not quick enough for an outside player of his type at AFL level.
- He accumulates stats but none of his hurt factors (OHF Offensive, DHF Defensive, NHF Negative) are good enough for AFL. As an example, he amassed 39 disposals in TAC Rnd 18 against the runaway premiers Calder yet failed to register a Morrish Medal vote and only got 2 Coaches Award votes (votes are on a 1-5 basis). It's like amassing the biggest wine collection in town but using half of it for cooking and BBQs.
- I expect him to get drafted (about mid draft?) and hope he does well, but not for mine.
*DISPOSAL:
- Reasonably accurate kick, although not backably so, but doesn't have a high hurt factor overall.
- Relaxed kicking style but kicks tend to be high floaters (too much hang-time). Some passes are good. A fair few are potential hospital jobs.
- Often has a long load-time, making him susceptible to getting stripped or nailed before he can get the kick off.
- Gets quite good depth on occasions though. Range is possibly about 55m.
- Not a noted goal-kicker but is not within range all that often. Mixed results when he is.
- Feeds are less reliable than his kicks and have a low hurt factor. They too are typically floaters. Maybe only about 50% hurt the opposition.
*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:
- Reads the play extremely well. Is very outside but, against that, he bobs up all over the place at the right moment and gets plenty of the pill.
- Gets plenty of the pill, usually out wide. One of those guys who can even pick up stats against a reasonably good opponent, such is his ability to find space (not so much through evasion, but by managing to sneak away when his opponent temporarily loses concentration).
- Roves the spill quite well (though typically a few metres away from the initial contest).
- Decision-making is a mixed bag, even under no pressure. Good vision on occasions, even under pressure. On some other occasions, whether it is lack of vision or poor decision-making, he appears not to notice free options to feed and just floats a long kick downfield to a pack.
- Occasionally lacks awareness.
- He virtually always looks casual but that's not the same as poise. He fairly regularly lacks poise under pressure.
- Tends to mainly kick for a bit of distance, rather than short.
*HANDS:
- Generally quite clean.
*OVERHEAD MARKING:
- Is deceptively good overhead one-on-one. Not special but better than one might expect from an outside player. Has a good leap, even from a standing start. Good judgement and reasonably good hands.
*ATHLETICISM:
- Pace is only borderline AFL. His DC 5m time indicates he is lightning off the mark but someone made a mistake when recording that time. He is actually very average over 5m (i.e "off the mark"), which is one of the problems I have with him, given his style of game.
- Poor recovery agility. Often a big turning circle, especially for a player of his build/type. Tendency to sail past if his attempted tackle on the run doesn't stick.
- Despite sometimes looking a bit stuffed, he actually displays very good endurance Covers a lot of ground, mainly to present an option.
- Poor strength and natural balance. Not good at keeping his feet body on body. More often than not, can't keep his feet when tackled.
- Lacks strength. Tackles often don't stick.
- Skinny. Very skinny legs, especially quads. Will get more speed from building up the quads but doesn't strike me sa likely to ever be much over about 80kg.
*INTENSITY, ETHIC:
- Almost complete lack of physicality. Doesn't try to break tackles - too often he just immediately gives in to the tackler.
- Work rate in covering ground is excellent. His intensity otherwise though is very sub-standard. Is much too outside and too often doesn't chase or attack the man with enough gusto. He seems to be perpetually in 3rd gear, cruising from one play to another at 1/2 pace and not bothering to slip into another gear when needed.
- In fairness, he does try to tackle very often, and his tackle count is usually very impressive ... statistically. The problem is that a fair percentage of his tackling attempts don't disable/impede the opponent enough and quite a few simply don't stick.
- 2nd efforts are infrequent. Too often inclined to spectate.
- Tends to ignore his opponent. He can accumulate 25 possessions and his opponent is likely to have done likewise.
*CONSISTENCY:
- Last year there was a big difference between his best and worst games but he has been highly consistent this year.
*AFL VERSATILITY:
- Would only be able to play wing, maybe HFF. Has played off HBF a number of times this year but doesn't have the intensity or pace for that role at AFL level.
*SCI (SCOPE FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT):
- No special factors.
*QUERY:
- Intensity
- Pace
- Hurt factor
- Strength, balance.
*SOME STATS:
- TAC: Averaged 24 disposals in 15 TAC games (ranking No.14 in comp). 4.6 marks. 4.8 tackles (ranking No.14 in comp). Total 5 goals-5. 2.8 kicks per handball. 19% of his possessions are marks. At least 21 disposals in 12 games, at least 31 in 4 games, including a 39.
- Mid-way trend .. % change in disposals was 0%. % change in marks was -4%. % change in tackles was -7%.
- Stats summary '04 U18 Champs:
Averaged 20 disposals and 7.0 marks in his 3 games. (Best TD 21).
Kicks to feeds: 38-23 (1.7:1).
Kicks long vs short: 21-7 (3.0:1).
Kicking accuracy: 10/38 ineffective incl 4 clangers.
Handball accuracy: 5/23 ineffective incl 2 clangers.
Total accuracy: 15/61 ineffective incl 6 clangers.
Gets own ball?: 26/61TD were HR. 5 HBG.
S.P. clearances: 4 incl 3 BU incl 2 CBC.
Tackles: 7
Marking: 1 of 21 were contested.
*OTHER STUFF:
- TAC Team Of Year TY: W.
- 5 Morrish Medal votes '04 (polled in 2 games).
- 16 Coaches Award votes '04 (polled in 4 games).
See Wisbeys rating:
Matt Rosa (North Ballarat Rebels)
189/74 mid-age right foot (has other foot if nec)
*STYLE LIKE:
*HURT FACTOR (Offensive/Defensive/Negative):
- Low / low / medium.
*TRADEMARK:
- Receive out wide then 40m accurate floater pass, then perpetual-motion cruise to the next opportunity.
*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:
- Gets a lot of ball and fairly accurate but takes some time to kick and kicks tend to be floaters. Very outside. Covers lot of ground, floating, rather than charging, from contest to contest but doesn't often contest with great intensity.
- Had a good U18 Champs, including stitching up a likely draftee (Batchelor) in the first half of the SA game.
- Is a good kid and likely to do well at VFL level but not quick enough for an outside player of his type at AFL level.
- He accumulates stats but none of his hurt factors (OHF Offensive, DHF Defensive, NHF Negative) are good enough for AFL. As an example, he amassed 39 disposals in TAC Rnd 18 against the runaway premiers Calder yet failed to register a Morrish Medal vote and only got 2 Coaches Award votes (votes are on a 1-5 basis). It's like amassing the biggest wine collection in town but using half of it for cooking and BBQs.
- I expect him to get drafted (about mid draft?) and hope he does well, but not for mine.
*DISPOSAL:
- Reasonably accurate kick, although not backably so, but doesn't have a high hurt factor overall.
- Relaxed kicking style but kicks tend to be high floaters (too much hang-time). Some passes are good. A fair few are potential hospital jobs.
- Often has a long load-time, making him susceptible to getting stripped or nailed before he can get the kick off.
- Gets quite good depth on occasions though. Range is possibly about 55m.
- Not a noted goal-kicker but is not within range all that often. Mixed results when he is.
- Feeds are less reliable than his kicks and have a low hurt factor. They too are typically floaters. Maybe only about 50% hurt the opposition.
*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:
- Reads the play extremely well. Is very outside but, against that, he bobs up all over the place at the right moment and gets plenty of the pill.
- Gets plenty of the pill, usually out wide. One of those guys who can even pick up stats against a reasonably good opponent, such is his ability to find space (not so much through evasion, but by managing to sneak away when his opponent temporarily loses concentration).
- Roves the spill quite well (though typically a few metres away from the initial contest).
- Decision-making is a mixed bag, even under no pressure. Good vision on occasions, even under pressure. On some other occasions, whether it is lack of vision or poor decision-making, he appears not to notice free options to feed and just floats a long kick downfield to a pack.
- Occasionally lacks awareness.
- He virtually always looks casual but that's not the same as poise. He fairly regularly lacks poise under pressure.
- Tends to mainly kick for a bit of distance, rather than short.
*HANDS:
- Generally quite clean.
*OVERHEAD MARKING:
- Is deceptively good overhead one-on-one. Not special but better than one might expect from an outside player. Has a good leap, even from a standing start. Good judgement and reasonably good hands.
*ATHLETICISM:
- Pace is only borderline AFL. His DC 5m time indicates he is lightning off the mark but someone made a mistake when recording that time. He is actually very average over 5m (i.e "off the mark"), which is one of the problems I have with him, given his style of game.
- Poor recovery agility. Often a big turning circle, especially for a player of his build/type. Tendency to sail past if his attempted tackle on the run doesn't stick.
- Despite sometimes looking a bit stuffed, he actually displays very good endurance Covers a lot of ground, mainly to present an option.
- Poor strength and natural balance. Not good at keeping his feet body on body. More often than not, can't keep his feet when tackled.
- Lacks strength. Tackles often don't stick.
- Skinny. Very skinny legs, especially quads. Will get more speed from building up the quads but doesn't strike me sa likely to ever be much over about 80kg.
*INTENSITY, ETHIC:
- Almost complete lack of physicality. Doesn't try to break tackles - too often he just immediately gives in to the tackler.
- Work rate in covering ground is excellent. His intensity otherwise though is very sub-standard. Is much too outside and too often doesn't chase or attack the man with enough gusto. He seems to be perpetually in 3rd gear, cruising from one play to another at 1/2 pace and not bothering to slip into another gear when needed.
- In fairness, he does try to tackle very often, and his tackle count is usually very impressive ... statistically. The problem is that a fair percentage of his tackling attempts don't disable/impede the opponent enough and quite a few simply don't stick.
- 2nd efforts are infrequent. Too often inclined to spectate.
- Tends to ignore his opponent. He can accumulate 25 possessions and his opponent is likely to have done likewise.
*CONSISTENCY:
- Last year there was a big difference between his best and worst games but he has been highly consistent this year.
*AFL VERSATILITY:
- Would only be able to play wing, maybe HFF. Has played off HBF a number of times this year but doesn't have the intensity or pace for that role at AFL level.
*SCI (SCOPE FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT):
- No special factors.
*QUERY:
- Intensity
- Pace
- Hurt factor
- Strength, balance.
*SOME STATS:
- TAC: Averaged 24 disposals in 15 TAC games (ranking No.14 in comp). 4.6 marks. 4.8 tackles (ranking No.14 in comp). Total 5 goals-5. 2.8 kicks per handball. 19% of his possessions are marks. At least 21 disposals in 12 games, at least 31 in 4 games, including a 39.
- Mid-way trend .. % change in disposals was 0%. % change in marks was -4%. % change in tackles was -7%.
- Stats summary '04 U18 Champs:
Averaged 20 disposals and 7.0 marks in his 3 games. (Best TD 21).
Kicks to feeds: 38-23 (1.7:1).
Kicks long vs short: 21-7 (3.0:1).
Kicking accuracy: 10/38 ineffective incl 4 clangers.
Handball accuracy: 5/23 ineffective incl 2 clangers.
Total accuracy: 15/61 ineffective incl 6 clangers.
Gets own ball?: 26/61TD were HR. 5 HBG.
S.P. clearances: 4 incl 3 BU incl 2 CBC.
Tackles: 7
Marking: 1 of 21 were contested.
*OTHER STUFF:
- TAC Team Of Year TY: W.
- 5 Morrish Medal votes '04 (polled in 2 games).
- 16 Coaches Award votes '04 (polled in 4 games).
- Banned
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all that stuff above may be true. but perhaps he has improved since two years ago??? from 2005-2006 he has improved out of site, his fitness and ball usage is at a good standard and will continue to improve. i hope we keep him. rosa AA wingman 2011....(you never know)
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Not according to Wisbey... and I quote:Kaitsey said:
"My studies (over a long period) of players in the years following their drafting strongly indicate that only a very small percentage significantly change the way they go about their game or their RELATIVE strengths and weaknesses, no matter how much or how little the kid improves overall in time. eg Only a very tiny number of players who seriously lacked intensity at U18 level ever "discover" it later. A kid who seriously lacks instinctive smarts at U18 level tends to still lack smarts when he finishes AFL. The main exception re U18 attributes is endurance, due to AFL conditioning and body maturing.
I'm not proclaiming my profiles, or anyone else's, as being beyond criticism. I'm just stating that, unless injury-related (eg long-term O.P.), the fundamentals evident in a kid at U18 rarely change dramatically.
FWIW, by way of example, for the kids whose profiles I posted today (except for the injury-prone Dunn as discussed elsewhere), I challenge anyone to look at the way each of those players play now and their RELATIVE strengths and weakness now compared to those that were evident as U18s, and point out major aspects in which the player is now significantly different.
Incidentally, one would hope that most kids would improve in various areas once in the AFL system. I'm not suggesting that most kids don't improve. The issue is about whether one can glean sufficient information about the 26yo (or whatever) player from their style and RELATIVE strengths and weaknesses as an U18 kid. That after all is the basis on which, to a fair degree, recruiting decisions are made."
philhawk said:
couple of minutes.
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You just put Wisbey and the name of the player into googleKaitsey said:
Ross Lyon To Coach The Saints, From Sen.
JGraf said:
not going to happen
this guy is a star in the making
I would think Rosa and Staker would be on the table
but even for a direct swap - as much as I would like Tarrant in our side - i would prefer to keep Nicoski. absolute gun
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Pelchen says top 8 outstanding then very even to 25 in draft
Spider - Slowly making some movement. Nothing down yet.
PELCHEN IS AS COLD AS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PILLOW.
Still Carlton hasnt even talked to the Hawks.
Carlton contacted Thorntons manager and said he is a required player.
Pelchen stated that the TOP#8 picks in this draft are STANDOUTS, after that it tails off to pick 25. Thus Pick 6 off the table
COOL AS A CUCUMBER
Harry Miller 4 Toby Thurstans is GARBAGE
PELCHEN IS AS COLD AS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PILLOW.
Still Carlton hasnt even talked to the Hawks.
Carlton contacted Thorntons manager and said he is a required player.
Pelchen stated that the TOP#8 picks in this draft are STANDOUTS, after that it tails off to pick 25. Thus Pick 6 off the table
COOL AS A CUCUMBER
Harry Miller 4 Toby Thurstans is GARBAGE
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Interesting hearing Pelchen speak.
I think his views on the first round are a little strange. Most seem to believe that this draft is relatively staggered.
Gibbs, Gumbleton, Hansen and Leuenberg seem to be the standout 4, there are about another 6 who are pretty even, probably another 6 or 7 who look to be in the next tier and then there would be a large band of 10 or so, etc.
I dont think people look at the "round" of picks but rather which band the picks fall into. Some first round picks are only a few spots better than second round picks and often look at players in the same tier or expected value but the actual round the pick is in seems to be over-hyped.
I think his views on the first round are a little strange. Most seem to believe that this draft is relatively staggered.
Gibbs, Gumbleton, Hansen and Leuenberg seem to be the standout 4, there are about another 6 who are pretty even, probably another 6 or 7 who look to be in the next tier and then there would be a large band of 10 or so, etc.
I dont think people look at the "round" of picks but rather which band the picks fall into. Some first round picks are only a few spots better than second round picks and often look at players in the same tier or expected value but the actual round the pick is in seems to be over-hyped.
