Seymour District Cricket Association (Part 2)

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Doona2 said:
Work hard and aspire to be the best you can - if not then surely that's when it becomes boring, not coz it's too hot or 80's overs are too long. If you're 100% into your cricket then it wouldn't matter coz each Satdy you'd compete with 10 other mates driven to do the same at whatever grade the club's selectors thought yuo'd best represent that club.

Like I said if that aint your cup of tea then we need to start up a rebel Sunday comp once a fortnight or something.

I thought I heard there was even a suggestion to be able to substitute players on different days of two-dayers for "Weddings etc" . . . . surley not, if so then the SDCA has truly become laughable???
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10 more years of how we are doing it now and that will be the end of cricket, move to oneday games or continue to see the game die.

Yes some clubs will have periods of growth for a time ( Kilmore & Avenel are current examples) but it will not last, our youth are different today it's that simple.

Learning to bat for 80 overs is just bullshit, learning to bat is the only issue, how long has it been since someone came out of B grade and made a big A grade score, its rare and always has been, same goes with bowling.
Talented players with skills is what we are looking to build not test players, who was the last SDCA player to play test cricket and how many hundreds did he make at that level, I dont think we have ever produced a test player but yet we keep hearing the same old crap about learning how to bat and bowl for long periods.

Its this additude that is killing the game at the grass roots.
 
dingo dan said:
10 more years of how we are doing it now and that will be the end of cricket, move to oneday games or continue to see the game die.

Yes some clubs will have periods of growth for a time ( Kilmore & Avenel are current examples) but it will not last, our youth are different today it's that simple.

Learning to bat for 80 overs is just bullshit, learning to bat is the only issue, how long has it been since someone came out of B grade and made a big A grade score, its rare and always has been, same goes with bowling.
Talented players with skills is what we are looking to build not test players, who was the last SDCA player to play test cricket and how many hundreds did he make at that level, I dont think we have ever produced a test player but yet we keep hearing the same old crap about learning how to bat and bowl for long periods.

Its this additude that is killing the game at the grass roots.
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HMMM Maybe they should start a particular grade that only play 40 over oneday matches all season..... maybe call it C Grade. SDCA executives should get onto that i think it could work...
 

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dingo dan said:
10 more years of how we are doing it now and that will be the end of cricket, move to oneday games or continue to see the game die.

Yes some clubs will have periods of growth for a time ( Kilmore & Avenel are current examples) but it will not last, our youth are different today it's that simple.

Learning to bat for 80 overs is just bullshit, learning to bat is the only issue, how long has it been since someone came out of B grade and made a big A grade score, its rare and always has been, same goes with bowling.
Talented players with skills is what we are looking to build not test players, who was the last SDCA player to play test cricket and how many hundreds did he make at that level, I dont think we have ever produced a test player but yet we keep hearing the same old crap about learning how to bat and bowl for long periods.

Its this additude that is killing the game at the grass roots.
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Well get on the league commitee and do somthing about it
 
mouche said:
HMMM Maybe they should start a particular grade that only play 40 over oneday matches all season..... maybe call it C Grade. SDCA executives should get onto that i think it could work...
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Yep its that additude again.
MOST PLAYERS OF TODAY WANT ONEDAY CRICKET PLAYED ON GOOD GROUNDS WITH TURF PITCHES.
Most good players are not interested in playing games in lower grades due to the lack of a challenge for them.
But people like you mouche will most proberably never get it, and due to that cricket in our assosiation will continue to die, and that is a ****ing shame.
 
dingo dan said:
10 more years of how we are doing it now and that will be the end of cricket, move to oneday games or continue to see the game die.

Yes some clubs will have periods of growth for a time ( Kilmore & Avenel are current examples) but it will not last, our youth are different today it's that simple.

Learning to bat for 80 overs is just bullshit, learning to bat is the only issue, how long has it been since someone came out of B grade and made a big A grade score, its rare and always has been, same goes with bowling.
Talented players with skills is what we are looking to build not test players, who was the last SDCA player to play test cricket and how many hundreds did he make at that level, I dont think we have ever produced a test player but yet we keep hearing the same old crap about learning how to bat and bowl for long periods.

Its this additude that is killing the game at the grass roots.
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Well said my man. Thats pretty much what i wanted to say last page. Its not the 80's when people in the bush played footy and cricket religiously. The kids of today just arent that patient. Cricket is changing and we have to change with it. Or in 5 years with the older player's bodies falling apart, no one will play or will go to melb to play one dayers which there is hundreds of comps on top class pitches
 
dingo dan said:
Yep its that additude again.
MOST PLAYERS OF TODAY WANT ONEDAY CRICKET PLAYED ON GOOD GROUNDS WITH TURF PITCHES.
Most good players are not interested in playing games in lower grades due to the lack of a challenge for them.
But people like you mouche will most proberably never get it, and due to that cricket in our assosiation will continue to die, and that is a ****ing shame.
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Clearly its a minority of player since it gets voted against time and time again by clubs league representatives, those who are a represent the players at [FONT=&quot]their [/FONT]individual clubs, at executive meetings.

People like me?? What 22 year old cricketers how enjoy the challenge of 2 day cricket, surely thats the [FONT=&quot]audience [/FONT]this league should cater for?

Just because you have had enough of two day cricket or a few players at your club cant be ar$ed getting out there and having a crack doesnt mean you should get on here a run your mouth like you have been screwed by the league. You made a proposal and it was defeated time to move on. Good on you, sincerely, for having a crack and having a cause of action you think the league should adopt. I think it commendable that there are people out there like you with a vison and act on it but there are a hell of a lot of cricketers out there that want to play 2 day cricekt.

On a side note cricket in this league is not dying by any means the league won promotion back up to division 3 at melboure country week last season, in the last 3 season have had 2 more clubs join the league and more and more players from the league are venturing down to melbourne and have a crack at district or sub district level. Good luck to anyone heading down this season.
 
mouche said:
Clearly its a minority of player since it gets voted against time and time again by clubs league representatives, those who are a represent the players at [FONT=&quot]their [/FONT]individual clubs, at executive meetings.

Right and wrong, it gets voted down because most club reps dont take it to there clubs for open and honest debate, how many players do you know that attend club meetings.

People like me?? What 22 year old cricketers how enjoy the challenge of 2 day cricket, surely thats the [FONT=&quot]audience [/FONT]this league should cater for?

I did not say there were not players who are in favour of the current format, and in 10 years time when you are 32 how will you feel, the league should cater for now and the future. That is why B grade should be onedayers now with a veiw of monitering the A grade for the future.

Just because you have had enough of two day cricket or a few players at your club cant be ar$ed getting out there and having a crack doesnt mean you should get on here a run your mouth like you have been screwed by the league. You made a proposal and it was defeated time to move on.

Now thats not even closse to being right, I love 2 day cricket, I also love 50 over international cricket and its nearly dead, my club has no problems feilding teams in all grades. I know for a fact that most players at most clubs are in favour of oneday cricket, I know this because I stay back and have a beer after games, I know this because I listen to what people are talking about, I know this because I hear those older guys in clubs slam the door on it everytime younger players in there club bring it up. Running my mouth of tut tut realy you dont like being challenged do you.

Good on you, sincerely, for having a crack and having a cause of action you think the league should adopt. I think it commendable that there are people out there like you with a vison and act on it but there are a hell of a lot of cricketers out there that want to play 2 day cricekt.

There is not a hell of a lot of them.

On a side note cricket in this league is not dying by any means the league won promotion back up to division 3 at melboure country week last season, in the last 3 season have had 2 more clubs join the league and more and more players from the league are venturing down to melbourne and have a crack at district or sub district level. Good luck to anyone heading down this season.
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Yes at rep cricket we are going ok, but is rep cricket as good as it used to be ?.

Clubs jioned because leagues died.

Yes some players from Yea have gone to Melbourne this season and the Yea A grade is ?
 
dingo dan said:
Right and wrong, it gets voted down because most club reps dont take it to there clubs for open and honest debate, how many players do you know that attend club meetings.

I did not say there were not players who are in favour of the current format, and in 10 years time when you are 32 how will you feel, the league should cater for now and the future. That is why B grade should be onedayers now with a veiw of monitering the A grade for the future.

Now thats not even closse to being right, I love 2 day cricket, I also love 50 over international cricket and its nearly dead, my club has no problems feilding teams in all grades. I know for a fact that most players at most clubs are in favour of oneday cricket, I know this because I stay back and have a beer after games, I know this because I listen to what people are talking about, I know this because I hear those older guys in clubs slam the door on it everytime younger players in there club bring it up. Running my mouth of tut tut realy you dont like being challenged do you.

There is not a hell of a lot of them.

Well that settles it then, you must be right.

Yes at rep cricket we are going ok, but is rep cricket as good as it used to be ?.

Clubs jioned because leagues died.

Yes some players from Yea have gone to Melbourne this season and the Yea A grade is ?
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Well i can only speak at what happens at my club but every time theres a vote at a league meeting it is done with direction from the club committee meeting which are usually always conducted with at least 50% of the forum coming from the playin group. 100% right the league should cater for now and the future but changing b grade to onday matches would be a short term solution to a problem that doesnt exist. I always stay back after a game too (not for a drink as i dont drink) and can honestly say have never heard anyone complain about b grade 2 day games. With one exception and that was after kilmore v tallarook last season and actually at the kilmore rooms after the a grade game and all the talk there was that the game should of gone ahead as a two day game instead of being played on a sunday as a one dayer.

So if ODIs are nearly dead why should b grade play oneday matchs at all? may as well play 2 day games and 20/20 then? I love a challenge mate thats why i play and want to play 2 day cricket.

Yea a grade will hopefully going to be back in the next few season. After they develop a few of there younger guys playing 2day cricekt in b grade. How would you expect them to get back to where they once were with no experience in the longer form? Much like Nagambie have done, best of luck to them this year in the top flight
 
mouche said:
Well i can only speak at what happens at my club but every time theres a vote at a league meeting it is done with direction from the club committee meeting which are usually always conducted with at least 50% of the forum coming from the playin group. 100% right the league should cater for now and the future but changing b grade to onday matches would be a short term solution to a problem that doesnt exist. I always stay back after a game too (not for a drink as i dont drink) and can honestly say have never heard anyone complain about b grade 2 day games. With one exception and that was after kilmore v tallarook last season and actually at the kilmore rooms after the a grade game and all the talk there was that the game should of gone ahead as a two day game instead of being played on a sunday as a one dayer.

So I assume you are from kilmore, and I stated earlier that they are having a growth period atpit, so the the interest in change is not all that strong there, and the old guys at the rook hate the idea of change, but many players from both clubs are in favour of it, do yourself a favour and bring it up as an honest and open disscusion piont you may be suprised at the outcome.

So if ODIs are nearly dead why should b grade play oneday matchs at all? may as well play 2 day games and 20/20 then? I love a challenge mate thats why i play and want to play 2 day cricket.

Do you get the point I was making. Based on your reply I dont think so.

Yea a grade will hopefully going to be back in the next few season. After they develop a few of there younger guys playing 2day cricekt in b grade. How would you expect them to get back to where they once were with no experience in the longer form? Much like Nagambie have done, best of luck to them this year in the top flight
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Nagambie would have been back in A grade years ago if the B grade was onedayers, there older group of C graders had no interest in 2 day games. Yea suprised me when they withdrew from A grade, it may be awhile befor we see them back, if ever, and have you forgotten about Royals and Heathcote, the evidence for change is overwhelming, but you will most likely be one of the people in 10 years time that will be saying THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMTHING YEARS AGO.
 

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Seems there are fair points on both sides of the argument; from a personal position: when I was playing b-grade and unable to crack a game at A's 2-day cricket was a vital experience. Imagine if it was all one-dayers in b-grade, how much larger it would make the jump between a's and b's?! the skill level would obviously be higher but the game dynamics have also changed dramatically! It makes it impossibly harder for younger guys to solidify themselves into an A-grade team and further their cricket (if they want to go through the premier>state>australian teams).

Any thoughts on the league having an 18-team competition in C-grade? slightly ridiculous! why not split it into a C and D? then the clubs that have large contingents of players only wanting to play 1-dayers to enter a side in each of those comps... not to mention accomodating any of the expanding clubs looking at 4 sides!

Good portion of Yea's A-grade team has been lost to the competition. Akers is playing club cricket in town, whilst Evans and Atkins are apparently having a crack at District Cricket with the Pies!
 
Jtron said:
Seems there are fair points on both sides of the argument; from a personal position: when I was playing b-grade and unable to crack a game at A's 2-day cricket was a vital experience. Imagine if it was all one-dayers in b-grade, how much larger it would make the jump between a's and b's?! the skill level would obviously be higher but the game dynamics have also changed dramatically! It makes it impossibly harder for younger guys to solidify themselves into an A-grade team and further their cricket (if they want to go through the premier>state>australian teams).

Any thoughts on the league having an 18-team competition in C-grade? slightly ridiculous! why not split it into a C and D? then the clubs that have large contingents of players only wanting to play 1-dayers to enter a side in each of those comps... not to mention accomodating any of the expanding clubs looking at 4 sides!

Good portion of Yea's A-grade team has been lost to the competition. Akers is playing club cricket in town, whilst Evans and Atkins are apparently having a crack at District Cricket with the Pies!
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SDCA have tried to iniciate a D grade this season but only 4 teams nominated.

When I talk to the older guys around the comp about the players that have gone on to play at a higher level the one thing most of them had in common was that they hardly played any B grade games, it appears that the majority have come out of juniors into A grade and then moved up from there.

And could I make this piont I am not against 2 day games, I just firmly beleive that it is now a stumbling block for cricket in our region, the retention rate for clubs keeping there juniors is diminishing yearly, players are coming out of under 16s playing for a season or 2 and then giving the game away, many older players dont want to keep playing 2 day games once they retire from A grade but they dont want to play C grade.

The reasons are many....
 
dingo dan said:
SDCA have tried to iniciate a D grade this season but only 4 teams nominated.

When I talk to the older guys around the comp about the players that have gone on to play at a higher level the one thing most of them had in common was that they hardly played any B grade games, it appears that the majority have come out of juniors into A grade and then moved up from there.

And could I make this piont I am not against 2 day games, I just firmly beleive that it is now a stumbling block for cricket in our region, the retention rate for clubs keeping there juniors is diminishing yearly, players are coming out of under 16s playing for a season or 2 and then giving the game away, many older players dont want to keep playing 2 day games once they retire from A grade but they dont want to play C grade.

The reasons are many....
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All bull$hit aside lads it can't be a charge led by a minority on an internet forum. The only way to get the support is if the clubs lobby amongst themselves, actually send correspondance amongst each other outlining pro's and con's and the exact reasons why, and even think about attending committee meetings anf discuss face to face in a forum where all dealings can be documented.I know Stuie and/or the Eastern Hill CC raised the topic a few years back, perhaps if the situation is so dire the association can appoint a few key people to actually look into it.

Saying blokes can't be fagged playing two-day cricket isn't enough, especially when some clubs dont have issues with it coz their young blokes mightn't feel the same as young blokes at other clubs.

How many clubs actually have contibutors on here. Im not involved at Broady these days but I dont think they have a problem with young blokes playing two day cricket, if they did they'd battle to have one side as 85% or more of the club at present would be under 25.

Lets get a feel lads, jot ya club next to ya name so we can get a guage.

for eg. Doona (Broadford) no issue at present.
Jobby (Avenel) . . . ????
Mouche (Kilmore ) . . . ????
 
i know our opinion doesnt count for much since we're (thornton) are only b grade. but with 5+ players coming up from melb, we played with 11 twice for the whole of last year. mainly due to not being able to string 2 weeks cause of work and other things. we're 100% behind b grade 1 dayers.

And on another note. technique doesnt change in cricket. you change the way you play to suit over/weather conditions. if your good, you will be good no matter how many overs you face
 
cakehole said:
i know our opinion doesnt count for much since we're (thornton) are only b grade. but with 5+ players coming up from melb, we played with 11 twice for the whole of last year. mainly due to not being able to string 2 weeks cause of work and other things. we're 100% behind b grade 1 dayers.
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Each club has one voting delegate on the SDCA whether you field one team or six like some clubs, so everyone's opinion counts in situations like this.
 
Yer at Avenel we have no problem playing 2 dayers

C grade sounds good this year play each other once ,final 8 and a longer break at xmas
 
Doona2 said:
Each club has one voting delegate on the SDCA whether you field one team or six like some clubs, so everyone's opinion counts in situations like this.
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You raised some good pionts Doona, but I do think that this forum is a good way to have the debate during the season, maybe even over the next couple of seasons, its the best available method to get the message out there, club reps are not good at it.
It is interesting that Eastern Hill are one of the clubs pushing for it and yet they dont appear to have many problems fielding teams, anyone from the Hill want to address that.
 
dingo dan said:
You raised some good pionts Doona, but I do think that this forum is a good way to have the debate during the season, maybe even over the next couple of seasons, its the best available method to get the message out there, club reps are not good at it.
It is interesting that Eastern Hill are one of the clubs pushing for it and yet they dont appear to have many problems fielding teams, anyone from the Hill want to address that.
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My concern would be that if you guys are dead serious about doing something about guaranteeing the SDCA a long term future, then lobbying on here where there'd be lucky to be 10% of all active SDCA participants involved might not reach the broad cross section across all the demographics potentially affected. Incorporate this along with official correspondance to all a registed club's, and follow up with a request to meet each committee to table something official, really push the reasons why and answer any questions that the relevant committee may wish to raise.
 
Doona2 said:
My concern would be that if you guys are dead serious about doing something about guaranteeing the SDCA a long term future, then lobbying on here where there'd be lucky to be 10% of all active SDCA participants involved might not reach the broad cross section across all the demographics potentially affected. Incorporate this along with official correspondance to all a registed club's, and follow up with a request to meet each committee to table something official, really push the reasons why and answer any questions that the relevant committee may wish to raise.
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One thing I will not do is go to clubs and try to sell this to the old members of clubs that are dead against change, some people are just so pigheaded that arguing with them is just a waste of time.
As I have stated in earlier posts I know that players at most clubs are talking about it and I am confidend that at some piont it will end up as an agenda item at club level, hopfully it will then receive the considerstion it deserves.
The 10% you refer to Doona is in fact a fairly good start imo.
The fact is it will take a couple more years befor this gets over the line in SDCA, it just hope that it to late by then.
 

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