Sheahan says we have to earn respect

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Finals hopes fade as Kangaroos exposed, again
Mike Sheahan | June 30, 2008 12:00am

"WHERE's the respect?" the North Melbourne faithful barked all week after the win over Hawthorn. Respect, I'm afraid, isn't dispensed on a week-to-week basis.

It is earned over an extended period. North will get respect when it deserves respect.

A win over Hawthorn obviously is an achievement, and great for bragging rights.

Those bragging rights, though, are as meaningful as last week's AFL Record when the win is sandwiched between losses to Fremantle and St Kilda.

After 14 rounds, North is 10th, with six wins and a draw, and a percentage of 93.97. After winning five of its first nine, and drawing another.

The Roos surprised everyone except themselves in the 2007 home-and-away series. Since then, they have blown all the credits.

Starting with the finals campaign last year, they have won seven of 17 games, with one draw.

The average losing margin in the nine losses is 45 points.

In that period, the Roos have travelled six times, winning once: beating West Coast by six points on the Gold Coast.

In the old days, you could schedule them to play anywhere in the country, any time of day and know they wouldn't whinge and they would be competitive.

North led by five goals in the second quarter at Carrara Saturday night and by four midway through the third.

It also was gifted a goal in the final term from a St Kilda interchange infraction, yet ended up beaten by 15 points and out of the eight.

The Saints failed to kick a goal in the first quarter and kicked just two in the third quarter. They should have been out of business at three-quarter time, but North couldn't put them away.

Finally, inevitably, St Kilda's senior group, headed by skipper Nick Riewoldt, issued a challenge.

The better players grew in stature during the night and dominated late in the game as St Kilda added 6.5 to 1.4 in the final term.

North just doesn't kick enough goals. For the fourth time this year, it failed to kick 10 in a game.

This time, not one from Nathan Thompson and Corey Jones, the club's leading goalkickers of the past two seasons.

Dean Laidley has promised to shake up the group. He has run out of patience; some of his men surely have run out of time.

The Roos are just two premiership points out of the eight and will beat Port Adelaide in Round 15, but they will need to do more than that to win back universal respect.

St Kilda has climbed into the eight with successive wins and there are encouraging signs, with Riewoldt growing in confidence, and Leigh Montagna, Nick Dal Santo and Justin Koschitzke, all critical in the structure, looking better.

The Saints play Carlton after the break in the game that will place the winner a game clear of the other.

The Blues overran Richmond at the MCG on Saturday with a seven-goal last quarter.

No Judd and only a modest contribution from Fevola, who kicked four yet was beaten by Kelvin Moore.

The Tigers, who went into the game with a sniff of finals in their nostrils, fell apart.

They just don't have a player with the presence, physically and mentally, to lead the way when the heat is on in a tight final quarter.

Matty Richardson can inspire with his brilliance, but there's no Jonathan Brown or Luke Hodge or Brad Johnson or Tom Harley or Scott Burns to set the tone.

While Moore, Brett Deledio and Trent Cotchin did their best, they were let down by their far more experienced teammates.

Nathan Brown with six behinds, Troy Simmonds a mere shadow of the ruckman who started the season in such promising fashion, Richo shut down by Jarrad Waite until he went down with a hamstring strain.

Cotchin looks a beauty and his progress is even more exciting considering his interrupted preparation.

Mitch Morton and Cleve Hughes also underlined their promise, but, bottom line, the Tigers aren't ready to play with the big boys just yet.

Much more to like about Carlton, which has won seven of its past 11.

Whether the Blues are ready to play finals remains to be seen, but beat St Kilda next up and it's a distinct possibility.
 
"WHERE's the respect?" the North Melbourne faithful barked all week after the win over Hawthorn. Respect, I'm afraid, isn't dispensed on a week-to-week basis.

Its hard to stick up for the team at the moment, but Mike seems to be dispensing lack of respect on a week-to-week basis.
 
Its hard to stick up for the team at the moment, but Mike seems to be dispensing lack of respect on a week-to-week basis.

True, but his comments on us are fair enough. We continue to let ourselves down at critical times. Freo and St Kilda games, along with the frustration of the Bummmers loss will probably mean 8 to 11 rather than top 4.
 

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i agree with him.
at this point, we're too inconsistent. we beat teams we shouldnt beat, and lose to teams we should beat. When good teams that hope to play finals are 4-5 goals up against the likes of Essendon, and St. Kilda they dont lose. They go on to win by 8- 10 goals.
 
Nonsense article - he is simply woeful at constructing a meaningful argument to support his bland assertions.

These sort of articles are the worst sort of cut and paste journalism.

Yes we are all bitterly disappointed & the loss deserves stinging criticism just not the type he trots out in this article.

Our injuries this year have been enormously unsettling, the emergence of a crop of young players that look the goods is a huge bonus.

We could have easily fallen apart at the seams this year, instead we have had some impressive wins and some shocking losses & sit a game outside the eight while blooding a crop of impressive young players.

Late last year we were facing oblivion as a football club - so we don't need your lazy cliche riddled articles about respect.
 
I agree with GoNorth on Sheahan. We've had great wins against the Dogs and Hawks, and he barely mentioned it at the time. He discounted our win against the Hawks by mentioning all the players they had out. And yet, we lose to the Aints and we get a major article from him.

FFS, Essendon have been woeful for most of the season, and yet last week, he writes about how they're turning things around. We've been playing kids as well, but does he mention that?
 
wouldn,t be suprised if someone from the club paid sheahan to write what he did because that seems to be the only way to fire us up!we have always struggled against crap teams(except collingwood).good teams will struggle against lower teams but most of them seem to do enough to just get over the line.we want respect but we still haven,t earned it!:rolleyes:
 
My only problem with what he says is his inclusion of last year's finals in his numbers - hardly relevant to this year, but makes his case sound that little bit more convincing. Why make the cut off at the end off Round 22? Why not include Round 21 and 22 from last year when we won each game by 10+ goals?

He could say that Essendon are an absolutely bloody awesome side - they've won their last 3 games!!!! Or St.Kilda are one of the greatest sides of all time! After all over the last 30 mins they've played they outscore their opposition 6 goals to every 1!!! That's huge!

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
 
As poor as we were on Saturday night, Sheahan is a knob end. Apparently we 'need to score more goals'. No sh*t. We've had half a forward line for about 10 weeks.

When we easily accounted for Hawthorn it was because they had players out. I expect the players to go out and earn the respect of many people. Firstly themselves, secondly the club staff and thirdly the supporters. The rest including bleating Mike can just shut up and be happy with what they get. :)
 
If anyone knows Mike Sheahan's email address, would love to share some age numbers with him.

On saturday we had 7 players with under 50 matches experience (incl 4 under 10 matches), while the Saints had 6.

Last week we had 8 with Lower in the team, compared to the "young Hawks" 7.

The Bombers who are being lauded for playing kids and rebuilding their team had only 6 in yesterday's match against the Dockers.

While our senior players were shyte and the reason for the loss IMO, why don't we get consideration for our youth like some other teams are?
 
If anyone knows Mike Sheahan's email address, would love to share some age numbers with him.

On saturday we had 7 players with under 50 matches experience (incl 4 under 10 matches), while the Saints had 6.

Last week we had 8 with Lower in the team, compared to the "young Hawks" 7.

The Bombers who are being lauded for playing kids and rebuilding their team had only 6 in yesterday's match against the Dockers.

While our senior players were shyte and the reason for the loss IMO, why don't we get consideration for our youth like some other teams are?


sheahanm@heraldsun.com.au

Mike is a good bloke and always happy to chat (except 10 minutes from deadline).
 

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I didnt have a problem with the article and thought he gave us a good wrap last week on 'On the Couch' after the Hawks win.

Reading Laidley's press conference comments a few pages into the Sport section and he says the same thing regarding consistency.

Using the inexperienced line and players under 50 games is not the issue...the issue is as JYD points out is the experienced players who are 'inconsistently inconsistent.'

IMO there are some there who excel when the easy ball is there, but since last Sept these are the same who go missing when the hard ball is there.

Bring it on JYD, if we are going down this path of testing for new players, lets just do it and get over with the sabre rattling.

gaso
 
sheahanm@heraldsun.com.au

Mike is a good bloke and always happy to chat (except 10 minutes from deadline).

Had a reply from Mike within 15 minutes. Impressive.

He just reiterated that our young team were good enough to be 30 points up against the Saints and we're the only team to lose in Perth to the Dockers this year.

Is going to publish my letter to him in Saturday's paper.
 
Sheahan says it how it is. I for one have huge respect for him as a journo.

And that article is completely deserved.


Agreed!

I'm finding myself agreeing a lot this morning (and disagreeing with a lot of the disgraceful crap that has been posted in the last 48 hours too).
 
Agreed!

I'm finding myself agreeing a lot this morning (and disagreeing with a lot of the disgraceful crap that has been posted in the last 48 hours too).

The article merely recaps what happened & adds nothing by way of analysis.

So yes maybe Mike told it like it was but I would have thought someone of his stature and knowledge would have ventured just a tad into the realms of why.
 
Had a reply from Mike within 15 minutes. Impressive.

He just reiterated that our young team were good enough to be 30 points up against the Saints and we're the only team to lose in Perth to the Dockers this year.

Is going to publish my letter to him in Saturday's paper.

Mike is a very professional journo - this is a typical Mike response. Good stuff!
 
Had a reply from Mike within 15 minutes. Impressive.

He just reiterated that our young team were good enough to be 30 points up against the Saints and we're the only team to lose in Perth to the Dockers this year.

Is going to publish my letter to him in Saturday's paper.


But he failed to mention these points in his article.
Why did he not highlight the fact that we were playing young players,and that St Kilda's team of older more experienced players finished off the game well.
Sheahan nowhere in his article mentions a thing about the make up of North's side.
All I am asking of him is to make mention of this.

Yes, Our young guys were good enough to be up 30 points against the Saints at one stage, but when other teams with young players in the side do this it is always mentioned and pointed out that this is what you can expect from young players, ups, downs and inconsistencies.
But Mike opts for a blanket report on our game.

WE WERE APPALLING AND I AM STILL UTTERLY DEVASTATED AND GUTTED AND IN NO WAY LOOKING FOR EXCUSES JUST ASKING FOR PARTICULAR DETAIL TO BE INCLUDED RATHER THAN OMITTED WHEN MAKING COMMENT ABOUT OUR GAME.
 
I hate him. Made special mention of how the hawks had no sewell, bateman, crawf, clark and croad, yet we didn't have edwards, sinclair, jesse smith, Hamish and Swallow. We beat the Hawks fair and square.

But, he's right about our inconsistency, away form has been terrible.
 
But he failed to mention these points in his article.
Why did he not highlight the fact that we were playing young players,and that St Kilda's team of older more experienced players finished off the game well.
Sheahan nowhere in his article mentions a thing about the make up of North's side.
All I am asking of him is to make mention of this.

Yes, Our young guys were good enough to be up 30 points against the Saints at one stage, but when other teams with young players in the side do this it is always mentioned and pointed out that this is what you can expect from young players, ups, downs and inconsistencies.
But Mike opts for a blanket report on our game.

WE WERE APPALLING AND I AM STILL UTTERLY DEVASTATED AND GUTTED AND IN NO WAY LOOKING FOR EXCUSES JUST ASKING FOR PARTICULAR DETAIL TO BE INCLUDED RATHER THAN OMITTED WHEN MAKING COMMENT ABOUT OUR GAME.

Kangalover, was it you who wrote to Sheahan a couple of weeks ago? If so, did you get a reply?
 
Kangalover, was it you who wrote to Sheahan a couple of weeks ago? If so, did you get a reply?



Yes it was me and Mike never responded. Very disappointing.
My correspondence was not rude or insulting in any way towards Mike's comments so I am at a loss to understand why he never replied.
 

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