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I'm not saying Jack is better than Travis, far from it on current form. If Cloke could nail the shots he gets like Anthony, or hell Dawes he'd be a superstar, but he doesn't, thats the fact. Whats better, creating lots of shots on goal but missing quite a few, or only getting a handful a game but nailing what you do get? That's my point, I think it's a wash really.

I just think it's a little unfair to wave away the deficiency in ones game while nailing the other to the wall for his.
 
Zahki said:
I'm not saying Jack is better than Travis, far from it on current form. If Cloke could nail the shots he gets like Anthony, or hell Dawes he'd be a superstar, but he doesn't, thats the fact. Whats better, creating lots of shots on goal but missing quite a few, or only getting a handful a game but nailing what you do get? That's my point, I think it's a wash really.

I just think it's a little unfair to wave away the deficiency in ones game while nailing the other to the wall for his.
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Travis' deficiency in 2010 until the Carlton match has improved, his finals work has also been impressive

Anthonys work in finals not impressive, his deficiencies in 2010, more apprent, more pronounced, getting worse no sign of improvement.

Pretty simple evaluation on 2010

What's better getting heaps or shots, or getting a few? You have to ask this? Give me 30 shots at 15.15 over 15 shots at 10.5. I know what's more likely to win, have more shots greater chance of kicking a bigger score (even with poor accuracy kore shots generally give bigger scores)
 

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Optimax said:
What's better getting heaps or shots, or getting a few? You have to ask this? Give me 30 shots at 15.15 over 15 shots at 10.5. I know what's more likely to win, have more shots greater chance of kicking a bigger score (even with poor accuracy kore shots generally give bigger scores)
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We've lost 3 games this year with more scoring shots due to shit accuracy. 4.17 against St Kilda, 9.22 against Melbourne and 11.14 against Brisbane so I'll just agree to disagree with this.
 
The age reads this site.

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-inaccurate-one-20100804-11fmd.html

The inaccurate one
MARTIN BLAKE August 05, 2010
An unreliable technique may cost Travis Cloke - and the Pies.
It's grand final day and Collingwood is four points down, deep into the final quarter. There is a marking contest, 30 metres from the Magpies' goal and one pair of hands plucks the Sherrin. It is Travis Cloke who will decide the premiership …
IT IS enough to make you wince. Travis Cloke is a Copeland Trophy winner and anyone who watched him rip into Carlton last weekend can vouch that he is a serious player as a centre half-forward, a super athlete and one of the best contested marks in the business. But he is also an accident waiting to happen when it comes to kicking for goal.
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-inaccurate-one-20100804-11fmd.html
 
Optimax said:
Give me 30 shots at 15.15 over 15 shots at 10.5. I know what's more likely to win, have more shots greater chance of kicking a bigger score (even with poor accuracy kore shots generally give bigger scores)
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What about 30 shots at 7.15 with 8 out on the full?

Realistic to say the least.

Anyway, who's kicking here?
 
tackleberry said:
What about 30 shots at 7.15 with 8 out on the full?

Realistic to say the least.

Anyway, who's kicking here?
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We over exaggerating again?

If so I'll play Anthony will kick 1.2 from 3 set shots over 3 finals, won't pass 10 touches or 5 marks in any either. Win a match
 
Zahki said:
We've lost 3 games this year with more scoring shots due to shit accuracy. 4.17 against St Kilda, 9.22 against Melbourne and 11.14 against Brisbane so I'll just agree to disagree with this.
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2 games lost 1 draw

Believe you'll find the greater percentage of shots were snaps not set shots.

Also find it interesting swan, and beams especially beams don't get dragged over the coals like cloke does.
 
tackleberry said:
Opticloke, you cant see the moustache from the hairs.
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Yep sure

Take cloke out of the side completely our chances of winning finals decreases, not as markedly as the dats of rocca in his prime thank Christ but decrease in any case


Oh and you know why my stars were so scary for Anthony, that's what he did in the 09 finals
 
No one said 'DUMP CLOKE', they just said he is a terrible kick for goal.
He also did a great job of reminding us all again on the week end.
Opticloke, er, Davidmax?
 
tackleberry said:
There you go.

Anyway, OptiDavid has obviously gone off and viewed some footage, maybe some Mark Richardson or something. Big goal kickers.
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Lowe, riewoldt, Franklin, both roccas, all improved with age

I just love these serial trolls, same tact everytime
 

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domus said:
I lie in bed at night torturing myself with different horrendous scenarios. I imagine us being five points down and Dids marks thirty out dead in front-it's the 32 minute mark-and Dawes is alone in the square. Dids decides to play on and chip to Dawes and the siren sounds while the ball is floating toward Dawes' open hands!!!!
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LOL at the notion that Dids would pass the footy if he was 30 metres out, 32 mins into a last quarter, 5 points down in a Granny. Non of us will ever see it. He is a match-winner for a reason. He thrives on those situations. Theres no doubt, he'd look at Dawesy, smile, give him a wink, turn around and walk back to have a shot. Milk the clock for all its worth until the siren, then wave off the skipper. Runs up, and splits the middle, then turns to the crowd and starts being a smartarse before getting mobbed by the Magpie teammates. I'm not even joking :p
 
PieLebo87 said:
LOL at the notion that Dids would pass the footy if he was 30 metres out, 32 mins into a last quarter, 5 points down in a Granny. Non of us will ever see it. He is a match-winner for a reason. He thrives on those situations. Theres no doubt, he'd look at Dawesy, smile, give him a wink, turn around and walk back to have a shot. Milk the clock for all its worth until the siren, then wave off the skipper. Runs up, and splits the middle, then turns to the crowd and starts being a smartarse before getting mobbed by the Magpie teammates. I'm not even joking :p
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Sounds like a great vision but where is that lid!

You would like Did's Tark's (if playing) The Captain, Sidey, Dawesome or Heater and maybe Jolly to take the kick.


But can we put the lid back on
 
PieLebo87 said:
LOL at the notion that Dids would pass the footy if he was 30 metres out, 32 mins into a last quarter, 5 points down in a Granny...
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Like that soundbite from Bucks, discussing the shot against Port Adelaide in the Didak tribute DVD. "I said Dids, you could put it toward the goalsquare. He shook his head and said 'Nah, I'll take the shot'".

There would be no other way :thumbsu:
 
The problem with all this is that if we where 3 points behind on grand final day with a minute or so to go Trav is one of the very few players with the skills to take a mark in kicking distance.

In that situation there would almost certainly be numbers behind the ball. Dawes would have very little chance of getting the space required for him to take a grab. JA the same. Trav, Daisy and Jolly are the three guys on our list who I think are most likely to be the type to be able to take a mark in a congested foward line. Reid and Maxwell are two others who could be smoky's.

My point is it's all good and well to complain about his kicking but he is still the best foward we have currently.
 
Snag Breac said:
Hey WEARETHEMAGPIES, think of some other interesting topics for the journos - you've been inspirational with this one.

And it's clear all you lads have been having dark fantasies about this very scenario. :p
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I'd have no probs with Travis getting it.
My nerves are so highly pitched during games that if it comes down to Travis, or in fact anyone, having to have a shot after the siren to win it I will already be in a coma.
In 1990 with 5 minutes to go I was still playing out numerous random scenario within my mind, in which we had the Flag stolen from us in the last second.

A lot older now, I am sure that, also being at the game, the potential for me to in fact suffer a heart attack or stroke before half time is a very real prospect.
If anyone in the crowd notices a bloke collapsed in his seat please punch my in the chest a few times.:thumbsu: Appreciated.
 
This scenario reminds me of Rocca in 07 prelim getting up limping off the ground after being awarded a free in the forward 50. Medhurst went on to kick the goal. Albeit i was watching the screen in Thailand under immense stress, fatgiue and alcohol consumption i may have been deluded. Since i cannot bear to watch that game again could someone actually confirm this happened?
 
esc0bar said:
This scenario reminds me of Rocca in 07 prelim getting up limping off the ground after being awarded a free in the forward 50. Medhurst went on to kick the goal. Albeit i was watching the screen in Thailand under immense stress, fatgiue and alcohol consumption i may have been deluded. Since i cannot bear to watch that game again could someone actually confirm this happened?
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It did the unknown fracture in his foot went from being fractured to broken (really after the Achilles injury was the beginning of the end)

Funnily enough he went down clutching his shoulder (was contact from harley coming back with the flight that resulted in the free)
 

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