So How Dangerous is COVID Really?

[Triggering Tiger]

I caught it two months ago but i don't know which strain it was. I was sick for more than 6 weeks and i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

 

[dees arent rabble]

Still havnt been sick for 5years.
I tried my best to catch it but failed. Still waiting

 

[Pistol Night]

Still havnt been sick for 5years.
I tried my best to catch it but failed. Still waiting

Have you got Covid FOMO?

 

[dees arent rabble]

Have you got Covid FOMO?

I wanted 2 weeks off payed by the government

 

[Bucking Bronco]

I'm not a statistician so I'd probably need to do the same Googling you would.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/h...t/news-story/cdf3a64c434c29a8ebc3215ab3aa335b

Countries with high vaccine uptake are way above baseline in expected deaths over the last few years, countries with low vaccine uptake are well below baseline (likely because many of the vulnerable people who would have maintained the baseline over the coming years in question died prematurely from covid itself).

They claim the reason excess deaths have increased in Australia is because people couldn't get in to see a doctor to diagnose cancer, but I think that's BS. I don't personally know anyone who had massive trouble getting into to see someone during the pandemic; and it doesn't really explain other countries who had high vaccine uptake, who were nowhere near as strict with their containment protocols, who still have the same increase in expected deaths.

Also, covid being so much more virulent than the regular flu should have taken out a lot of vulnerable people like it did in the low uptake countries paving the way for a death quota that should have trended nearer to baseline, but it hasn't.

I got vaccinated, three times unfortunately, and got stiffed on the third one.

People are kidding themselves if they are not concerned with what has happened.

No matter how much you want to get down in the weeds and argue over finer details, the crux of the matter is, it should never have been mandatory due to the unknowns. It didn't stop transmissibility, only reduced it by a percentage, so was really only of benefit to the person inoculated with it - who by the way, were initially told that if they got vaccinated couldn't get sick from covid.

Even worse is communist Youtube that deleted any content raising concerns about the vaccine, helping to funnel everyone along to get vaccinated.

[Edit: Saw in the other thread, that this article had already been posted, and you've already gone over it. Interested on what your explanation is for the increase in deaths though, if you have one.]

 

[Chief]

Countries with high vaccine uptake are way above baseline in expected deaths over the last few years,

Nope. They are not.

countries with low vaccine uptake are well below baseline (likely because many of the vulnerable people who would have maintained the baseline over the coming years in question died prematurely from covid itself).

So you agree lower vaccination rates = more deaths.

They claim the reason excess deaths have increased in Australia is because people couldn't get in to see a doctor to diagnose cancer, but I think that's BS.

Nobody can stop you thinking that of course. You are wrong, though.

 

[Chief]

Interested on what your explanation is for the increase in deaths though, if you have one.

Listen to this. Only a few minutes from 10:40 until 13:10



Up to you if you believe it - doesn't change the data.

Members of groups with lower vaccination rates are more likely to get sicker more often, are hospitalised more often, and die more often.

The data from jurisdictions around the world back this up.

No data shows this to be false.

"“A study comparing adverse event reports to VAERS and EudraVigilance following mRNA Covid-19 vaccines versus influenza vaccines observed a higher risk of serious adverse reactions for Covid-19 vaccines.”"

Higher reported instances. Specially given the heightened awareness of VAERS and the cultish drive to report every twinge as a Covid adverse event.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Listen to this. Only a few minutes from 10:40 until 13:10



Up to you if you believe it - doesn't change the data.

Members of groups with lower vaccination rates are more likely to get sicker more often, are hospitalised more often, and die more often.

The data from jurisdictions around the world back this up.

No data shows this to be false.

"“A study comparing adverse event reports to VAERS and EudraVigilance following mRNA Covid-19 vaccines versus influenza vaccines observed a higher risk of serious adverse reactions for Covid-19 vaccines.”"

Higher reported instances. Specially given the heightened awareness of VAERS and the cultish drive to report every twinge as a Covid adverse event.

Will listen tomorrow.

 

[Chief]

Just confirms actuaries looking at data and determining vaccines didn't cause excess deaths.

From the article you posted:

"
The ABS said in its submission that Covid-associated deaths were the main contributor to excess mortality.

“The ABS data has recorded 16 deaths as being due to the Covid-19 vaccine in the pandemic period,” it said. “There have been nearly 71 million Covid-19 vaccine doses administered to date.”

The Actuaries Institute, which calculates excess mortality differently to the ABS, also concluded that the rise was driven by deaths “from and with Covid-19”.

“The available evidence does not support a significant contribution to excess mortality by the adverse side-effects of Covid-19 vaccines,” it said.

“Indeed, the reverse is true — while every such death is regrettable, it seems clear that the small number of deaths triggered by Covid-19 vaccines is a tiny fraction of the number of Covid-19 deaths that they have prevented.”"

Those deaths from what I recall were mainly genetic issues.

 

[Puddy]

Manipulated data becomes irrelevant.

If my patients who died of natural causes are counted as covid deaths then my patients who died after they were vaccinated should count as vaccine deaths aswell.

 

[Stokey]

Just confirms actuaries looking at data and determining vaccines didn't cause excess deaths.

From the article you posted:

"
The ABS said in its submission that Covid-associated deaths were the main contributor to excess mortality.

“The ABS data has recorded 16 deaths as being due to the Covid-19 vaccine in the pandemic period,” it said. “There have been nearly 71 million Covid-19 vaccine doses administered to date.”

The Actuaries Institute, which calculates excess mortality differently to the ABS, also concluded that the rise was driven by deaths “from and with Covid-19”.

“The available evidence does not support a significant contribution to excess mortality by the adverse side-effects of Covid-19 vaccines,” it said.

“Indeed, the reverse is true — while every such death is regrettable, it seems clear that the small number of deaths triggered by Covid-19 vaccines is a tiny fraction of the number of Covid-19 deaths that they have prevented.”"

Those deaths from what I recall were mainly genetic issues.

Have to give credit for you to hold on to this narrative


Surely the Covid gravy train has run dry? Why keep pushing the effectiveness of the vaccines when it's obvious they did nothing and even worse seem to have done more damage.

When did you take your last booster?

 

[Chief]

Have to give credit for you to hold on to this narrative

It's not difficult - I like the real stories supported by facts. It takes bigger cojones to ignore every credible reporting and statistical agency and plunge on with just the advice from Bob748137 on X.

He's DEFINITELY not a but run by a foreign threat actor... he's posted pictures of his dog! Automated accounts don't have dogs!

Surely the Covid gravy train has run dry? Why keep pushing the effectiveness of the vaccines when it's obvious they did nothing and even worse seem to have done more damage.

Why keep pushing the misinformation? It's like you handcuffed yourself to it, and threw away the key. People keep leaving you new keys but you kick them away like they are a temptation from the devil himself.

When did you take your last booster?

Actually I am booked in for the next vaccination soon! I've even already had my Influenza vaccination this year, if you can believe that!

A friend had Covid recently and he said it was the worst illness he'd had and wishes he had gotten one of the newer vaccines in the last three years.

Get vaccinated. It might save your life, or at least save you a stint in hospital and a long recovery.

 

[Stokey]

It's not difficult - I like the real stories supported by facts. It takes bigger cojones to ignore every credible reporting and statistical agency and plunge on with just the advice from Bob748137 on X.

He's DEFINITELY not a but run by a foreign threat actor... he's posted pictures of his dog! Automated accounts don't have dogs!



Why keep pushing the misinformation? It's like you handcuffed yourself to it, and threw away the key. People keep leaving you new keys but you kick them away like they are a temptation from the devil himself.



Actually I am booked in for the next vaccination soon! I've even already had my Influenza vaccination this year, if you can believe that!

A friend had Covid recently and he said it was the worst illness he'd had and wishes he had gotten one of the newer vaccines in the last three years.

Get vaccinated. It might save your life, or at least save you a stint in hospital and a long recovery.

Booked in for your next vaccination soon is very different from when did you have your last COVID booster. We all know why you answered this way and used anecdotal evidence to prove your point.

When was your last vaccination?

You also had COVID after been vaccinated and said is was awful.

What is your point?

 

[Chief]

Booked in for your next vaccination soon is very different from when did you have your last COVID booster.

Jeez - can't recall. Last year? Why do you want to know? Let me know what that's leading to and I can give you the full and frank answers you need, nay, deserve.

We all know why you answered this way and used anecdotal evidence to prove your point.

Please, tell me why.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Just confirms actuaries looking at data and determining vaccines didn't cause excess deaths.

From the article you posted:

"
The ABS said in its submission that Covid-associated deaths were the main contributor to excess mortality.

“The ABS data has recorded 16 deaths as being due to the Covid-19 vaccine in the pandemic period,” it said. “There have been nearly 71 million Covid-19 vaccine doses administered to date.”

The Actuaries Institute, which calculates excess mortality differently to the ABS, also concluded that the rise was driven by deaths “from and with Covid-19”.

“The available evidence does not support a significant contribution to excess mortality by the adverse side-effects of Covid-19 vaccines,” it said.

“Indeed, the reverse is true — while every such death is regrettable, it seems clear that the small number of deaths triggered by Covid-19 vaccines is a tiny fraction of the number of Covid-19 deaths that they have prevented.”"

Those deaths from what I recall were mainly genetic issues.

Yeah, I don't really trust what they're attributing to "vaccine death".

From my own experience, you develop an auto immune disorder days after getting vaccinated, and because it's not "officially" recognised as a condition that is a associated as an adverse reaction (what even is the criteria for that?), it's: "There's no evidence that this was a result of your booster, Alex, I'm sorry".

I don't think people are disputing the 'deaths immediately after being vaccinated' are infinitesimal, the scepticism is regarding the vaccine being responsible for deaths of an insidious manner that occur 1, 2, 3+ years later.

The "expert" in the pod you posted claims excess deaths are "not what they were during the peak of the covid pandemic, and resemble what they did pre-pandemic (granted this is in the UK). Using this data from here which has excess deaths in Australia, I pulled the data from the last month of August to the first week of September the following year (as that is when it was last updated), going back to 2017, and this is what the data says:



Average of 162K excess deaths prior to the pandemic, and 185K since the vaccine program/ end of lockdowns & re-integration of the public and increased exposure to covid.

That's a 15% increase, not massive, but still something. It will be interesting to see what it is for this year (August, 2024 to September, 2023), because at this point, you would be expecting after this increase in excess deaths over the last 2 years, the vulnerable people who would have maintained the baseline over the coming years, will have been picked off prematurely here, opening up the potential for it to drop below baseline, or at worst just return to it.

Which brings me to my other question: The guy actually didn't explain why countries with low vaccine uptake are below baseline, while countries with high uptake are above?

Also, I found this last night (it goes up to the end of 2022 - Cancer diagnosis' in Australia):



Cancer diagnosis' continued at the same rate in 2020/ 2021 as they had been pre-pandemic (despite no increase in population from immigration), suggesting to me the argument of "there are more excess deaths now due to people not being diagnosed with cancer during the pandemic" is cap, as this data doesn't support it.

Cancer mortality has also continued to decline (per percentage of the population from 2020 to present), further suggesting there is no data to support a flow-on effect from the pandemic being responsible for excess deaths, due to failure to diagnose (at least not cancer - which was proposed by the Australian agencies downplaying excess deaths).

 

[Stokey]

Jeez - can't recall. Last year? Why do you want to know? Let me know what that's leading to and I can give you the full and frank answers you need, nay, deserve.


Please, tell me why.

Sounds like you think it is intrusive asking about someone's vaccination status where as you were happy for it to end a person's job after decades of loyal service

When was your last shot?
You expected an answer during the pandemic so why is it ok to pull the old 'its none of your business' now?

You're a fraud.

 

[Chief]

Sounds like you think it is intrusive asking about someone's vaccination status where as you were happy for it to end a person's job after decades of loyal service

What the hell? So a nurse in contact with vulnerable patients should have the right to work whether their actions are endangering their patients or not? That's some full on snowflake entitlement bullshit.

 

[Stokey]

What the hell? So a nurse in contact with vulnerable patients should have the right to work whether their actions are endangering their patients or not? That's some full on snowflake entitlement bullshit.

You still haven't said when your last booster was.

And how were they protected? The vaccines didn't stop you from contracting COVID or spreading it.

 

[Chief]

You still haven't said when your last booster was.

I have said.

I don't understand why you think you need to know or why you think you can demand people announce their medical history in here.

And how were they protected? The vaccines didn't stop you from contracting COVID or spreading it.

I have TONS of other things to do. NONE of them involve rehashing things you already know but refuse to believe because you have fallen for the nuttery that abounds on the web.


General request: If anyone else wants to take on the education of this antivax weirdo, please have at it.

 

[Stokey]

I have said.

I don't understand why you think you need to know or why you think you can demand people announce their medical history in here.



I have TONS of other things to do. NONE of them involve rehashing things you already know but refuse to believe because you have fallen for the nuttery that abounds on the web.


General request: If anyone else wants to take on the education of this antivax weirdo, please have at it.

I am as vaccinated as you.

You agreed with and demanded people's vaccination status be known to get employment etc and now you say that information is private.

You are and will forever be a fraud.

Calling on your minions can't wash that away.

 

[Stokey]

Chief is now too busy to talk about COVID but is ok starting or promoting threads about COVID to keep the traffic going.

 

[Chief]

You agreed with and demanded people's vaccination status be known to get employment etc and now you say that information is private.

You are and will forever be a fraud.

Yeah. Sure. Because having to be vaccinated to deal with medically vulnerable members of the public is the same as some dork like you demanding IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM to know when my last vaccination was, then not even understanding that the question was responded to - "don't remember, last year maybe" - I even said my next one is soon! Next week, to be more specific!

Do you understand that your question was answered? At all?

DO YOU??!?!!?!?!11111

 

[Chief]

Chief is now too busy to talk about COVID but is ok starting or promoting threads about COVID to keep the traffic going.

Have another drink.

 

[Stokey]

Have another drink.

I've been sober for 2 years. Probably around the same time you had your last COVID shot.

 

[Stokey]

It's quite telling that Chief won't say when he was last vaccinated enenthough he demanded it of others.

Then just resorts to character assassination

What an utterly weak beta prick