Coach So you want Voss gone? Who will replace him and why would they want to coach Carlton?

[2blue4u]

Longmire. Get him.

 

[JJBagger]

Longmire. Get him.

So he can be the next saviour that gets scapegoated by the club and fans if it doesn't work out? I'm sure he's licking his lips

 

[2blue4u]

So he can be the next saviour that gets scapegoated by the club and fans if it doesn't work out? I'm sure he's licking his lips

Possibly but if he can't get anything out of this list then no one can. Voss aint the answer. He never was and it was a ridiculous decision.

 

[bigblueboy]

I hate the cycle we are in with coaches this century but I think that may be it for him. And most importantly that has to be it for the assistant coaches. Tim Clark might just be the worst midfield coach in the AFL. I don't get how he is not seeing the issues with the current midfield set up.

All of the midfielders are just hunting the ball and getting sucked into the contest. If we win it we have no one on the outside to spread and get a clean kick i50 - instead it is a hurried kicked by the player winning the ball. And if we don't win opposition players are already on the outside and they are off and we can't put any delay on their ball movement as they are unmanned. The game plan itself is just too brutal and contested-focused that it is impossible to sustain it for four quarters. The scoreboard in first halves compared to second halves shows this clearly. And then you look and see we only used 63/75 rotations tonight - why?

Another thing that drives me up as wall is how we allow teams to just walk it to the wing so easily from kickouts. We genuinely just give up two easy kicks every time allowing them to get to the wing under limited pressure. On the other end our kickouts are just long and wide and we often turn it over.

I can't ask more from these players. The effort and intensity has been there the last two weeks. And they have looked like the better team in the first half of both games. But again, the way they are asked to play is not sustainable. We fall away and it's not because of lack of effort.

But Cripps loves him.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I hate the cycle we are in with coaches this century but I think that may be it for him. And most importantly that has to be it for the assistant coaches. Tim Clark might just be the worst midfield coach in the AFL. I don't get how he is not seeing the issues with the current midfield set up.

All of the midfielders are just hunting the ball and getting sucked into the contest. If we win it we have no one on the outside to spread and get a clean kick i50 - instead it is a hurried kicked by the player winning the ball. And if we don't win opposition players are already on the outside and they are off and we can't put any delay on their ball movement as they are unmanned. The game plan itself is just too brutal and contested-focused that it is impossible to sustain it for four quarters. The scoreboard in first halves compared to second halves shows this clearly. And then you look and see we only used 63/75 rotations tonight - why?

Another thing that drives me up as wall is how we allow teams to just walk it to the wing so easily from kickouts. We genuinely just give up two easy kicks every time allowing them to get to the wing under limited pressure. On the other end our kickouts are just long and wide and we often turn it over.

I can't ask more from these players. The effort and intensity has been there the last two weeks. And they have looked like the better team in the first half of both games. But again, the way they are asked to play is not sustainable. We fall away and it's not because of lack of effort.

Well said.

I've also been saying for years now that I hate that we concede the ball to the wing easily because we're getting numbers behind the ball. It doesn't work. The way the game is played these days you have to pressure the ball carrier and not allow easy field position.

Doesn't matter how many times you get the wrong coach.. once you realise he's the wrong guy you have to move him on rather than stubbornly keep them for the sake of stability. We don't want to end up in a situation like Port with Hinkley where he held on so long when he kept failing in the same way over and over and has a history of showing he can't get the job done in finals.

Our coach said it in the press conference tonight.. 'I wish I had the answer to that' followed up with 'I'll have to check the numbers and stats'. Does that instill faith that Voss has this situation under control? It can't keep being about needing to be better around the contest (which he said again tonight) and taking our chances. You need to find ways to win even if you're kicking poorly. The good teams and good coaches find a way.

 

[Kruezing]

I hate the cycle we are in with coaches this century but I think that may be it for him. And most importantly that has to be it for the assistant coaches. Tim Clark might just be the worst midfield coach in the AFL. I don't get how he is not seeing the issues with the current midfield set up.

All of the midfielders are just hunting the ball and getting sucked into the contest. If we win it we have no one on the outside to spread and get a clean kick i50 - instead it is a hurried kicked by the player winning the ball. And if we don't win opposition players are already on the outside and they are off and we can't put any delay on their ball movement as they are unmanned. The game plan itself is just too brutal and contested-focused that it is impossible to sustain it for four quarters. The scoreboard in first halves compared to second halves shows this clearly. And then you look and see we only used 63/75 rotations tonight - why?

Another thing that drives me up as wall is how we allow teams to just walk it to the wing so easily from kickouts. We genuinely just give up two easy kicks every time allowing them to get to the wing under limited pressure. On the other end our kickouts are just long and wide and we often turn it over.

I can't ask more from these players. The effort and intensity has been there the last two weeks. And they have looked like the better team in the first half of both games. But again, the way they are asked to play is not sustainable. We fall away and it's not because of lack of effort.

Oh my God we do this all over the ground … why ? No wonder they’re buggered by half time

 

[carlton_99]

Our coach said it in the press conference tonight.. 'I wish I had the answer to that' followed up with 'I'll have to check the numbers and stats'. Does that instill faith that Voss has this situation under control? It can't keep being about needing to be better around the contest (which he said again tonight) and taking our chances. You need to find ways to win even if you're kicking poorly. The good teams and good coaches find a way.

You can get away with a head coach that is not the best tactically if you put a good team around him. I just don't think our assistants have shown enough tactical nous.

 

[bigblueboy]

Agree or not, think there’s an inevitability about what will happen next.
The start to the season has been unacceptable on so many levels and there’s not an obvious short or long term fix.

 

[JJBagger]

Possibly but if he can't get anything out of this list then no one can. Voss aint the answer. He never was and it was a ridiculous decision.

My comment wasn’t defending Voss

 

[2blue4u]

My comment wasn’t defending Voss

I didn't think it was mate i just despise the Voss selection.

 

[MPH78]

Agree or not, think there’s an inevitability about what will happen next.
The start to the season has been unacceptable on so many levels and there’s not an obvious short or long term fix.

Modern Carlton. Shit cycle after shit cycle.

 

[Blue Runnings]

Longmire. Get him.

I think horse is done.

Adam Simpson !!!

 

[2blue4u]

I think horse is done.

Adam Simpson !!!

Yea i'm not as keen on Simpson and horse did say he isn't closing the door on coaching its just that he needed a break. If the right offer comes along just maybe might entice him.

 

[2blue4u]

Agree or not, think there’s an inevitability about what will happen next.
The start to the season has been unacceptable on so many levels and there’s not an obvious short or long term fix.

What's worse is Tasmania will be coming in at sometime so a rebuild will be that much harder. Plus the fact we gave most of our picks away for this year.

 

[BlueTongue]

I would gladly suffer another 3-5 years rebuilding if we had a fire sale, got some picks and young talent into the club, and threw a lot of money at TDK to keep him at the club and went out and got Adam Simpson to be our next coach.

EDIT: No I wouldn't actually - because we need to replace our recruiters first.

 

[Blue1980]

Season has a 2014 vibe about it, but I would like to think/hope we are better off field than we were then and we don't have a maniac in Malthouse in charge destroying the club and no one around to stop the rot. Also the list is in better shape than then (though still not overly great).

I think most likely, if things go how I think they will on field this season (i anticipate maybe 7-8 wins) Lloyd will "resign" sometime mid season, Voss will probably linger on unless we begin getting flogged every week and/or there is some player mutiny. Then the "full football department review" which will either see a) Voss surviving by the skin of his teeth but a restructured football department or b) Voss gone and we go again with someone else.

Either way I think it wont be scorched earth on or off field, but a quiet admission the list isn't getting us anywhere we want to be in its current form and if Voss is kept on it will be the backing him for the long haul (like say till 2028/29) knowing we may have to go slightly backwards to go forwards, or if its a new coach, they wont be expected to take us immediately to top 4 and a flag contender in 2026.

I think most likely Voss gone end of this season, be like you tried, you failed, you got 4 years, we go again with another plan.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

"The numbers looked good tonight, just a few moments that let us down" - Michael Voss (March 28th, 2025).

The biggest takeaway there is: 'Really confident in the manner we want to play'.

Voss is going to keep this game plan until they drag him out kicking and screaming.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I would gladly suffer another 3-5 years rebuilding if we had a fire sale, got some picks and young talent into the club, and threw a lot of money at TDK to keep him at the club and went out and got Adam Simpson to be our next coach.

EDIT: No I wouldn't actually - because we need to replace our recruiters first.

Board, Football Manager, Recruiters, Coaches.

How can you see the same deficiencies game after game, year after year, for the past few seasons and not jump up and down to change them? We play a taxing contested game, because we lack the talent and the numbers to switch up and play any other way. Lloyd holds nobody accountable because he is somehow just surviving in his role. He's stopped talking to the members as well. At least Andrew McKay kept being a voice when he was under siege.

Where's Priestley ... in Sydney? He's invisible and does not relate to the common supporter.

Where's Diesel? How exactly is his football knowledge helping the club. He is supposed to be a conduit.

I was unsure about Voss when he came as he felt like the last one on the shelf at the time. I gave him a chance because he talks in a manner you'd run through walls for him. That has dissipated. He is playing the media cliche game every week now.

There is not one assistant coach I have a good feeling about.

I was underwhelmed by Nick Austin when he was selected to step in for SOS. It felt like a nostalgia trip ... son of Curly and all. It felt like he was stepping into a list that was primed for success, and now I feel like it is so unbalanced, we are doomed for a decade.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

How about:

Simpson - senior assistant
Horse - head coach
Clarko - Director of Football
Montagna - waterboy

 

[marcmurphy3]

Season has a 2014 vibe about it, but I would like to think/hope we are better off field than we were then and we don't have a maniac in Malthouse in charge destroying the club and no one around to stop the rot. Also the list is in better shape than then (though still not overly great).

I think most likely, if things go how I think they will on field this season (i anticipate maybe 7-8 wins) Lloyd will "resign" sometime mid season, Voss will probably linger on unless we begin getting flogged every week and/or there is some player mutiny. Then the "full football department review" which will either see a) Voss surviving by the skin of his teeth but a restructured football department or b) Voss gone and we go again with someone else.

Either way I think it wont be scorched earth on or off field, but a quiet admission the list isn't getting us anywhere we want to be in its current form and if Voss is kept on it will be the backing him for the long haul (like say till 2028/29) knowing we may have to go slightly backwards to go forwards, or if its a new coach, they wont be expected to take us immediately to top 4 and a flag contender in 2026.

I think most likely Voss gone end of this season, be like you tried, you failed, you got 4 years, we go again with another plan.

Hopefully we dont linger to long with Voss if it looks like we are out of finals contention. Could get games into some younger players but Voss wont do that if he is trying to hang onto his job. Also could miss the best senior/assistant candidates if we wait for an end of season review.

I don't think this is as bad as 2014 but we probably need a refresh (as opposed to a full blown rebuild). If we get it right we can still have a tilt while Curnow, TDK, McKay, Walsh, Cerra, Weitering are playing good footy but need to move past most the current 30+ brigade. Hopefully Crippa can hang around long enough but not looking great for him.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Simpson. He will design a game plan for the group

 

[Turnover Goal]

Bookmark me. You’ll hear it:

“Needed to be a little bit cleaner forward of centre”… “we won the inside 50s”… “we didn’t take our chances when we had them”

That is the rhetoric of a coach that has no answers for his system.

His team has given up leads of
41
16
24

In consecutive weeks.

“Didn’t take our chances”, “effort was there”…

Gotta go, bro.

Go horse or something. Have some actual vision and a strategic brain.

No, keep him there until the new ceo finds the right replacement

 

[btdg]

I fear a lot of people are misreading rh question title here, still.

It's not 'who do you WANT to replace him'. It is 'who WILL and why would they want to coach Carlton?'.

Last time we went this path the field was dry. Ross Lyon dropped out. Voss was pretty much the only interested party.

And why would anyone want to coach this team, right now. The fan base is horrible. iMO the atmosphere at games has been bad - very low engagement and actual supporting - even 7 goals up Vs Richmond is was polite clapping and low engagement. Booing umpires and former players (Liam Jones and even Kennedy last night? sheesh...). When Young was lining up for goal on the boundary you could see 'supporters' behind him covering their eyes, bagging him, etc on the big screen (he kicked it). 'Supporter' hanging over the player race trashing players. Off field is even worse. TalkBack radio is always bad but Carlton are becoming a meme for it after losses. Our social media is flooded with the absolute worst. The response to McKay stepping aside this was was ghastly. Who wants to coach that? Two losses and the crowd size last night was very ordinary. Compare with Collingwood right now. When they are winning, the crowd atmosphere right up to the 'Collingwood' chant is fantastic When they are losing they get right behind the team at the slightest change and you can feel the air ignite. Let's face it - we are the ferals at this point, and everyone knows it.

The team and list is also totally unappealing. Bad mix of overpaid players the wrong side of 28 and underqualified role players. No first or second round pick in the offseason. No cap space. A whole bunch of players requiring 'restoration' for a bunch of reasons (McKay, Hollands, Newman, Smith, Docherty, etc). Who wants to start with that?

And the offfield group also isn't great. We had a President who was a corporate crook have to step down for sexual harassment. Our new President lives in Sydney. Cook is leaving. We have churned through high performance managers and still have horrible injury and fitness woes. There are serious questions to be asked about our recruiting team after a howler of an offseason (not just the individual decisions made, but the sheer incoherence of trading away both future first and second draft picks AND trading out a heao of depth, leaving us very vulnerable to injury/form collapse). That isn't appealing either

Voss still has the best winning record of any Carlton coach this century. He could lose 4 more in a row and still hold that title. He is going to be sacked while still in that position? The guy who is second in the list got sacked after going 11-11 in an injury riddled year after 3 straight finals appearances. We didn't win 11 games in a season for 10 years after that masterstroke... Voss's predecessor had two years after getting the job - both COVID disrupted (unable to even train the team in hist first year), with Charlie Curnow injured for 42 of the 44 matches in that time frame, and was sacked despite it all. Voss has had 3 years, a winning record each year, two finals series, our only preliminary final this century... Now everyone wants him gone too.

Be careful what you wish for, basically. Scapegoating Voss will give us, at best, a new coach who is well aware of who we are, what our off field state is, ans who will have to take steps to guarantee some longevity. Most likely that means yet another deep and serious rebuild. How else to you start your career knowing the gulf between expectation and reality is so huge, that the second you fall behind 'expectations' you'll have ferals calling for your head and screaming obscenities at the players you are trying to lead? Better to clean the decks, drop expectations as low as possible a la Richmond this year... Can't fail if everyone expects a wooden spoon...

 

[P_Crippy]

I think you guys are kind of missing the point. The problem is not Voss, the problem is the club as a whole. We have no idea how to pick a coach. We sack him, we will end up picking the wrong coach again. We do not understand the modern game as a club at all, we don't know what to look for in a coach.

After the pies won the flag, the was a very good article on why Collingwood picked MacRae. It was down to MacRae and Voss and when it was time to explain intended game plan they felt Voss was at a bit of a loss, where as they knew MacRae understood what needed to be done.

He took a team that was predicted to struggle for years, implement a modern game plan, won a flag, struggled last year and now seems up and running again with a very old team. That's game plan.

This is why i'm hopeful G. Wright will take over sooner rather than later.

 

[tarczonandjane]

The biggest takeaway there is: 'Really confident in the manner we want to play'.

Voss is going to keep this game plan until they drag him out kicking and screaming.

Absolutely.

Voss has been on the same gameplan since he got here. He’s had multiple chances to change it. He tinkered last year with adding a turnover element. But that’s the extent of change.

Frankie Evans is the canary in the coal mine. As soon as he’s selected, you know Voss is playing double bass as the Titanic is going down.