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caesar88 said:
Embarrassing that the current test cricketers cop so much flack for being passionate about humanitarian causes.

They're the ones supposedly such bad looks for Australia, like our cricketers back in the 2000s weren't in Africa trophy hunting.
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It's a region with faults on both sides . He had made his feelings known and that's enough
 
bedford said:
It's a region with faults on both sides . He had made his feelings known and that's enough
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It's a region with "faults on both sides" in the sense that if invaders came to kick me out of my home and I tried to resist them, then yes, I would be at fault for trying to resist them instead of meekly surrendering and letting them take my house, because their god allegedly promised it to them, so who am I to think that I have a right to continue living there.

Don't make apologies for a murderous regime by regurgitating "faults on both sides" nonsense, you can do better.
 
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coach beard said:
LOL. It's a region with "faults on both sides" in the sense that if invaders came to kick me out of my home and I tried to resist them, then yes, I would be at fault for trying to resist them instead of meekly surrendering and letting them take my house, because their god allegedly promised it to them, so who am I to think that I have a right to continue living there.

Don't make apologies for a murderous regime by regurgitating "faults on both sides" nonsense, you can do better.
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I sympathise with the Palestinian people, and even armed groups that fight the IDF or armed settlers to some degree. I'd prefer no conflict (and no dispossession), but I can see why Palestinians fight back. Australians would do the same.

However, that sympathy doesn't extend to the targeting of civilians, which Hamas and others have done. Yes, the Israeli government and IDF don't seem to care about the civilian casualties that mount up (they are effectively targeting civilians), but it doesn't justify the actions of Hamas in this regard, nor does Oct 7 justify what's going on now.
 
Bloods86 said:
I sympathise with the Palestinian people, and even armed groups that fight the IDF or armed settlers to some degree. I'd prefer no conflict, but I can see why Palestinians do it. Australians would do the same.

However, that sympathy doesn't extend to the targeting of civilians, which Hamas and others have done. Yes, the Israeli government and IDF don't seem to care about the civilian casualties that mount up (they are effectively targeting civilians), but it doesn't justify the actions of Hamas in this regard, nor does Oct 7 justify what's going on now.
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Totally agree, I thought Hamas' actions on Oct 7 were abhorrent. They attacked a music festival for crying out loud. But the solution to war crimes is not more war crimes, and it should be clear by now that the IDF cannot defeat Hamas without causing mass civilian casualties, which would be (and already is) a crime against humanity. The Greens' position of calling for a ceasefire is the correct one in my view.
 
Bloods86 said:
I sympathise with the Palestinian people, and even armed groups that fight the IDF or armed settlers to some degree. I'd prefer no conflict (and no dispossession), but I can see why Palestinians fight back. Australians would do the same.

However, that sympathy doesn't extend to the targeting of civilians, which Hamas and others have done. Yes, the Israeli government and IDF don't seem to care about the civilian casualties that mount up (they are effectively targeting civilians), but it doesn't justify the actions of Hamas in this regard, nor does Oct 7 justify what's going on now.
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You summed it up perfectly , not like that bearded person
 
coach beard said:
Totally agree, I thought Hamas' actions on Oct 7 were abhorrent. They attacked a music festival for crying out loud. But the solution to war crimes is not more war crimes, and it should be clear by now that the IDF cannot defeat Hamas without causing mass civilian casualties, which would be (and already is) a crime against humanity. The Greens' position of calling for a ceasefire is the correct one in my view.
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The Greens are a stain on Australian life . run by a henry the 3rd
 

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Bloods86 said:
I sympathise with the Palestinian people, and even armed groups that fight the IDF or armed settlers to some degree. I'd prefer no conflict (and no dispossession), but I can see why Palestinians fight back. Australians would do the same.

However, that sympathy doesn't extend to the targeting of civilians, which Hamas and others have done. Yes, the Israeli government and IDF don't seem to care about the civilian casualties that mount up (they are effectively targeting civilians), but it doesn't justify the actions of Hamas in this regard, nor does Oct 7 justify what's going on now.
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The war didn't start on October 7 though.
 
coach beard said:
They really aren't, don't fall for the propaganda like I did once upon a time. They are not perfect but they are right on this. It's not too late to be on the right side of history.
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They are pathetic . The gov's of Aus and Canada have both called for a ceasefire ! so you think the IDF and Hamas scum would take any note of the greens
 
Also, Israel's Defense Minister admitted that their war against Hamas will take 'more than several months'. How many more innocent people will die as a result, and how many more Hamas fighters will be created? Each civilian death will only radicalise more people. This is like another War on Terror.
 
coach beard said:
Totally agree, I thought Hamas' actions on Oct 7 were abhorrent. They attacked a music festival for crying out loud. But the solution to war crimes is not more war crimes, and it should be clear by now that the IDF cannot defeat Hamas without causing mass civilian casualties, which would be (and already is) a crime against humanity. The Greens' position of calling for a ceasefire is the correct one in my view.
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what hamas did, what it has done in the past, what it continues to do, is beyond despicable .. it's waging a form of inverted terrorism, where rather than carry out acts of terror on the lands of its "enemies", it draws them into its own lands, using its own people as a form of camouflage, drawing in "enemy" forces and destroy them, and their own civilians with them

but this also pretty fckn bullsh1t too
www.theguardian.com

What does it mean to erase a people – a nation, culture, identity? In Gaza, we are beginning to find out | Nesrine Malik

Artists killed, journalists silenced, libraries and mosques destroyed. What will be left to bind the survivors together, asks Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik
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