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I've usually ended at a complete loss when I try to figure out what drives Scott Morrison, but I'm starting to conclude it's all about getting evangelical Christians (and usefully like-minded Catholics) access to the levers of power.

Only the delusional zeal that comes with many religious beliefs would be enough for someone to so consistently ignore their own schittehousery.

Nothing else makes sense as an explanation.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
I've usually ended at a complete loss when I try to figure out what drives Scott Morrison, but I'm starting to conclude it's all about getting evangelical Christians (and usefully like-minded Catholics) access to the levers of power.

Only the delusional zeal that comes with many religious beliefs would be enough for someone to so consistently ignore their own schittehousery.

Nothing else makes sense as an explanation.
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generally speaking, that's possible but everything about morrison in the later stages of his "reign" seemed haphazard, making it up as he went along
this latest stuff about him signing himself up as minister for a bunch of things ... that's crazy ...
 
the hypnotoad said:
generally speaking, that's possible but everything about morrison in the later stages of his "reign" seemed haphazard, making it up as he went along
this latest stuff about him signing himself up as minister for a bunch of things ... that's crazy ...
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But I can believe he went into politics charged with missionary zeal and a self-belief founded mainly on his undoubted abilities to BS people, went a fair way based solely on that, and then somewhere in his term he came slap-bang up against the reality of his meagre leadership talent. From that point on he was merely flailing.
 

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SBD Gonzalez said:
But I can believe he went into politics charged with missionary zeal and a self-belief founded mainly on his undoubted abilities to BS people, went a fair way based solely on that, and then somewhere in his term he came slap-bang up against the reality of his meagre leadership talent. From that point on he was merely flailing.
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his "leadership talent" was largely the same version of male arrogance and bullying that seems to be encouraged in those militant modern christian churches ... well, the catholic church too
 
the hypnotoad said:
his "leadership talent" was largely the same version of male arrogance and bullying that seems to be encouraged in those militant modern christian churches ... well, the catholic church too
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I've said it before on here, I used to get dragged along to evangelical churches by my parents. Even as a teen I used to look at some of the "elders" getting up and testifying and think "you phony". But the congregation were lapping it up as far as I could see.

When Morrison came along I had him pegged as one of them right away.

Not claiming any special credit, just saying there are certain personality types that some people get conned by and others see straight through.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
I've said it before on here, I used to get dragged along to evangelical churches by my parents. Even as a teen I used to look at some of the "elders" getting up and testifying and think "you phony". But the congregation were lapping it up as far as I could see.

When Morrison came along I had him pegged as one of them right away.

Not claiming any special credit, just saying there are certain personality types that some people get conned by and others see straight through.
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yes indeed ... without meaning to be harsh, some of it is sheer stupidity and gullibility but some of it also a desperate hope for something to believe in, or at least believe is good ... which is at the heart of religion's "success" over the centuries ... people's fear of the unknown
although now a lot of it is also a backlash against "science" and "education", a wilful defiance of reality, or at least lot of people's refusal to accept the harsh realities of the world ...
(which brings me to ...)
the problem is at the other end, those bstards so ready and willing to exploit, deceive and ultimately cash in ... power and money ...
i was about to say "unfortunately ..." but i'm not sure it is unfortunate ... that all i've ever really seen in the major religions is exploitation for the pursuit of power and money
exploitation of the vulnerable exists in most major institutions, not just religious ones, but when it comes to naked lust for power and money, religion is at the top of the stinking, rancid heap
and that brings us back to trump, who's hijacking of the religious right in america to further his personal ambitions was beyond blatant
and yet, because of the hard religious right's ongoing distrust, hatred, loathing, etc of the democrats, they were willing to turn a blind eye to trump's many, many sins and get on board
and after a generation of this ultimately social decline, backed by the madness of the gun debate, we have america on the verge of civil war, too exhausted and helpless to offer any resistance to russia, china, afghanistan (and its links to the extremists of the middle east) etc etc
... and so here we are ...
 
the hypnotoad said:
yes indeed ... without meaning to be harsh, some of it is sheer stupidity and gullibility but some of it also a desperate hope for something to believe in, or at least believe is good ... which is at the heart of religion's "success" over the centuries ... people's fear of the unknown
although now a lot of it is also a backlash against "science" and "education", a wilful defiance of reality, or at least lot of people's refusal to accept the harsh realities of the world ...
(which brings me to ...)
the problem is at the other end, those bstards so ready and willing to exploit, deceive and ultimately cash in ... power and money ...
i was about to say "unfortunately ..." but i'm not sure it is unfortunate ... that all i've ever really seen in the major religions is exploitation for the pursuit of power and money
exploitation of the vulnerable exists in most major institutions, not just religious ones, but when it comes to naked lust for power and money, religion is at the top of the stinking, rancid heap
and that brings us back to trump, who's hijacking of the religious right in america to further his personal ambitions was beyond blatant
and yet, because of the hard religious right's ongoing distrust, hatred, loathing, etc of the democrats, they were willing to turn a blind eye to trump's many, many sins and get on board
and after a generation of this ultimately social decline, backed by the madness of the gun debate, we have america on the verge of civil war, too exhausted and helpless to offer any resistance to russia, china, afghanistan (and its links to the extremists of the middle east) etc etc
... and so here we are ...
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Agree with every word.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Agree with every word.
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i was brought up in a left-leaning household ... as a kid i was led to believe whitlam was the great hope and there was strength in unions (my parents were teachers, well, my dad ended up an education lecturer teaching teachers)
as i got older i learned just how fallible (often pathetically so) the political class was, or potentially is, so party politics generally i find an abhorrence, certainly as it has evolved into this era
but as i've said on this thread, at least those on the left have a sense of being inspired to protect and fight for the vulnerable, however misguided that might be at times
on the right is where you find those who prefer to exploit the vulnerable or simply marginalise them, or set them against each other in the hope they destroy each other ... divide and conquer
hence the loathing of unions and the welfare state, the concept of the dole, etc
and yes, there are many who take advantage (often criminally) of handouts, of welfare ... and i'll even concede that some religious organisations do great charitable work
but it's hard to praise such good works when you look at the obscene wealth of some religions, or the wealth and assets of private (often religious-linked) schools, while public schools and teachers struggle to educate or even just try to help the disadvantaged masses
and of course there are countless examples of the rorts and crimes and corruption among the wealthy and powerful, trying to add to their wealth ... the ripping off of jobkeeper by some of our biggest companies is a recent one
yet you'll very rarely hear the same level of outrage expressed among the right over such things, compared to the indignance and opprobrium, or the fear and loathing, they direct at the crimes and failings of the battler/welfare class ...
 
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the hypnotoad said:
i was brought up in a left-leaning household ... as a kid i was led to believe whitlam was the great hope and there was strength in unions (my parents were teachers, well, my dad ended up an education lecturer teaching teachers)
as i got older i learned just how fallible (often pathetically so) the political class was, or potentially is, so party politics generally i find an abhorrence, certainly as it has evolved into this era
but as i've said on this thread, at least those on the left have a sense of being inspired to protect and fight for the vulnerable, however misguided that might be at times
on the right is where you find those who prefer to exploit the vulnerable or simply marginalise them, or set them against each other in the hope they destroy each other ... divide and conquer
hence the loathing of unions and the welfare state, the concept of the dole, etc
and yes, there are many who take advantage (often criminally) of handouts, of welfare ... and i'll even concede that some religious organisations do great charitable work
but it's hard to praise such good works when you look at the obscene wealth of some religions, or the wealth and assets of private (often religious-linked) schools, while public schools and teachers struggle to educate or even just try to help the disadvantaged masses
and of course there are countless examples of the rorts and crimes and corruption among the wealthy and powerful, trying to add to their wealth ... the ripping off of jobkeeper by some of our biggest companies is a recent one
yet you'll very rarely hear the same level outrage expressed among the right over such things, compared to the indignance and opprobrium, or the fear and loathing, they direct at the crimes and failings of the battler/welfare class ...
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If it's okay to ask what is your line of work . I know we don't get on , but you are very learned on these matters and by the way i'm no way right .
 
Holy secret takeover Batman!!!

Morrison appointed to five additional ministries, Albanese says​

Albanese says Morrison was appointed to five additional ministries, including treasury and home affairs:

I can say that today, I have been informed by the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet that between March 2020 in May 2021, the Prime Minister Scott Morrison was appointed to five additional portfolios.
In addition to his appointment as the head of Prime Minister and Cabinet.
He was appointed to administer the Department of Health on the 14 March 2020.
The Department of Finance on the 30 March 2020.
The Department of Home Affairs on the 6 May 2021.
The Department of the Treasury on six May 2021.
And the Department of Industry, science energy and resources on the 15 April 2021.
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Ticky009 said:
Holy secret takeover Batman!!!

Morrison appointed to five additional ministries, Albanese says​

Albanese says Morrison was appointed to five additional ministries, including treasury and home affairs:
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so friggin dangerously secretive most of his own party didn't know, although i'm sure hatchet man alex hawke did
and hunt, who i believe was even more unpopular among the liberals than even morrison and hawke for the majority of his time as health minister ... sorry, co-health minister
one of the more disturbing elements of this story is that keith pitt, the nationals mp who was resources minister, did not (or would not, could not, whatever) sound the alarm when he learned morrison had made himself "co-resources minister" ...
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Can't help wondering if his long term strategy was to prove the utter uselessness of government so he had an excuse for completely handing over the running of it to his private sector owners.
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well, now we know his true belief is that government can't be trusted, so was that one of the ways he was proving his point?
i note the major murdoch media organ in this country is turning against morrison and whatever legacy it thinks he might've had
but of course most of that mob think morrison had been shifting to the left (!!!!) for the last two years of his prime ministership
 
the hypnotoad said:
so friggin dangerously secretive most of his own party didn't know, although i'm sure hatchet man alex hawke did
and hunt, who i believe was even more unpopular among the liberals than even morrison and hawke for the majority of his time as health minister ... sorry, co-health minister
one of the more disturbing elements of this story is that keith pitt, the nationals mp who was resources minister, did not (or would not, could not, whatever) sound the alarm when he learned morrison had made himself "co-resources minister" ...
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What type of journalist sits on explosive news like this? A compromised one.
 
Ticky009 said:
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i'm more concerned with morrison's apparent contemptuous neglect of his parliamentary duties and responsibilities to the people of cook
dismissing a reporter's questions with "i haven't engaged in day-to-day politics" ... been too busy preaching or travelling to meet with other global tory has-beens
and now refusing to resign ... gotta hang on to that pay cheque, you arrogant bullying turd
he got into parliament under false pretences, now remains there under false pretences
 

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