Toast Sorry Adam

[Bad Horse]

I'm sure those posters got banned then for posting blatantly racist comments, I must of missed them.

There one who had done enough in different areas I though to get the ass before finding new range and depth of ****ed to explore in here but apparently that's not enough to earn a holiday either. So banning is a high bar to set if that's what you're looking for.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

What exactly was his “knob” behaviour?

Grandstanding and whingeing on the field, unnecessarily divisive comments off it, for the most part.

 

[jmac70]

Grandstanding and whinger on the field, unnecessarily divisive comments off it, for the most part.

I don’t recall him being a whinged on field, certainly no more than any other player.
Being a strong advocate for Aboriginal rights is far from being a knob.

 

[Finnishpie]

Opened this expecting it to be CFC2010 apologising to Adam Oxley.

He still has a chance!

THE OXXXXX!!!

 

[Finnishpie]

He was a flog that rightfully deserved to be booed.

Had nothing to do with skin colour.

Ah, that's what I'd say if I wanted to hide my real motives.

 

[Finnishpie]

Grandstanding and whingeing on the field, unnecessarily divisive comments off it, for the most part.

Tell me one unnecessarily divisive comment he made.

 

[Finnishpie]

Did I miss something? How do you know this?

Historically, the insult has been used with people with dark skin. I'm sure the young girl didn't realise it as adults do (or should, I guess. It seems plenty are ignorant here), so I think it Goodes had his time again, he would've gone about things differently.

I can completely understand him reacting in a split second to an insult that has racial undertones. People have reacted much more irrationally to tamer insults to be honest.

I'd call them racial overtones actually.

 

[jmac70]

Tell me one unnecessarily divisive comment he made.

Some people were unhappy he was awarded Australian of the Year. The fact that he used that platform to raise the issue of racism made people even more unhappy.
I thought he did well.

 

[Finnishpie]

AMEN!

The silent majority find Goodes antics, repulsive and childish.

Why are the left such self-righteous people who jump to false conclusions and insult other people as a form of moral preening?

The silent majority.

If only they were silent.

If only they were a majority.

I don't think calling out racism is "self-righteous." Why do the Right always cry like babies when people stand up to it?

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I don’t recall him being a whinged on field, certainly no more than any other player.

Don’t recall him throwing his arms up in the air, spinning around like a top and falling over followed by demonstratively howling at the umpires? I do. It grated in much the same way Andrew Gaze’s constant pleading to the referees did; I got to like Gaze a great deal more post-career so hopefully I will Goodes too.

Being a strong advocate for Aboriginal rights is far from being a knob.

Strawman 1.01.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The silent majority.

If only they were silent.

If only they were a majority.

I don't think calling out racism is "self-righteous." Why do the Right always cry like babies when people stand up to it?

Its this whole "Freedom of Speech" thing RWNJ carry on about

What they really mean is they should be free to say anything they like, but Goodes is being a knob, or is divisive or causing disharmony if he does
But they have always been thus

 

[magpies42]

Look around you, there's a white supremacist in the white house, Farage came within a whisker of winning an election, that's better than Hitler's first try, oh and the 4th largest democracy was recently taken over by a racist dictator. It's on the rise worldwide! I have no idea why, dwindling resources and limited living conditions forcing migration, the masters of the universe perpetuating their most profitable business, war? who knows? But the old beast has reared it's head again and those that do not know their history are doomed to be slaughtered by it!

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/06/Fascism-Warning-Madeleine-Albright-review

Yes it is a sad state of affairs, pretty rich coming from Madeleine Albright though.

 

[jmac70]

Don’t recall him throwing his arms up in the air, spinning around like a top and falling over followed by demonstratively howling at the umpires? I do. It grated in much the same way Andrew Gaze’s constant pleading to the referees did; I got to like Gaze a great deal more post-career so hopefully I will Goodes too.


Strawman 1.01.

Players do all sorts of stuff in the heat of battle. Bucks once wiped blood on another player. As I said, I don’t recall Goodes being particularly bad, not worthy of the booing. But then, I rarely boo anyway. Maybe someone like Barry Hall.

I’m not sure what the straw man comment means. I find Goodes to be an impressive person. Would like to see him in politics.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Players do all sorts of stuff in the heat of battle. Bucks once wiped blood on another player. As I said, I don’t recall Goodes being particularly bad, not worthy of the booing. But then, I rarely boo anyway. Maybe someone like Barry Hall.

I’m not sure what the straw man comment means. I find Goodes to be an impressive person. Would like to see him in politics.

He was an immensely talented player but I didn’t enjoy the way he conducted himself on the field at times. He would not be an example I would show my children of how to behave with regard to the officials. That being said, he’s not someone I would single out for poor behaviour either, and I didn’t boo him.

The strawman reference was in relation to your comment about Goodes being a strong advocate for Indigenous rights. I never said otherwise. I think you know what a straw man argument is, and I have little interest in arguing against someone being deliberately obtuse on an internet forum, when I lean more to your side of the racial divide in the first place.

 

[sr36]

I don’t recall him being a whinged on field, certainly no more than any other player.
Being a strong advocate for Aboriginal rights is far from being a knob.

He wasn't a whinger for most of his career, but at that stage of his career he was bent over with both arms outstretched pleading at the umpire every time he didn't win a comtest. And to make it more on the nose, he'd recently done a series of snipey acts.

So when the incident with the young girl happened, it was the wrong story being told by the wrong man.

Goodes's complaints were viewed as an extension of the exaggerated whinging thst he was doing towards umpires. He was additionally viewed as someone who was looking for a soapbox to champion his cause. So when this huge, powerful, famous, successful man told his story of downtrodden suffering, pointed at a young girl in the crowd, beckoning security guards to escort her from the ground, police to hold her for questioning without her parents and then the media to vilify her with Goodes himself joining in. All for her making a comment that may or may not have been racist. It didn't wash well with the general public. In all the imagery attached to the story, he was the powerful and she was the downtrodden.

His cause is a great cause, and his story may very well have been true, but it lacked credibility. the public jhst didn't buy the story where Adam Goodes was the face of downtrodden victimised suffering and a 13 year old was the cruel bully causing the suffering.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Tell me one unnecessarily divisive comment he made.

It’s all been done before, I’m not going down that rabbit hole again.

For what it’s worth; this sort if thing...

“First of all, Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on..”

There are approximately 120 pages of this discussion in the “Booing Adam Goodes” thread. The same self-serving arguments were trotted out then too, and confirmation bias reigned supreme.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He wasn't a whinger for most of his career, but at that stage of his career he was bent over with both arms outstretched pleading at the umpire every time he didn't win a comtest. And to make it more on the nose, he'd recently done a series of snipey acts.

So when the incident with the young girl happened, it was the wrong story being told by the wrong man.

Goodes's complaints were viewed as an extension of the exaggerated whinging thst he was doing towards umpires. He was additionally viewed as someone who was looking for a soapbox to champion his cause. So when this huge, powerful, famous, successful man told his story of downtrodden suffering, pointed at a young girl in the crowd, beckoning security guards to escort her from the ground, police to hold her for questioning without her parents and then the media to vilify her with Goodes himself joining in. All for her making a comment that may or may not have been racist. It didn't wash well with the general public.

His cause is a great cause, and his story may very well have been true, but it lacked credibility. the public jhst didn't buy the story where Adam Goodes was the face of downtrodden victimised suffering and a 13 year old was the cruel bully causing the suffering.

Spot on.

Goodes didnt realise that you catch more flies with honey. People took exception not to his message but the way he chose to deliver it. Combine that with his increasingly dirty behaviour on field as talent alone wasnt enough any more, and thats the seed of what occurred that fed upon itself from that moment on.

I also disagree with the suggestion that this killed his career. He was 35, ffs. Time was up.

 

[BigCharlie]

Adam Goodes is the Gwyneth Paltrow of Australian rules football.

Carry on.

 

[pietoon]

Its this whole "Freedom of Speech" thing RWNJ carry on about

What they really mean is they should be free to say anything they like, but Goodes is being a knob, or is divisive or causing disharmony if he does
But they have always been thus

Like free to call people pigs, you should practice what you preach my man

 

[Good_Old]

Adam Goodes is the Gwyneth Paltrow of Australian rules football.

Carry on.

He's telling people to give themselves coffee enemas?

 

[sideswipe]

For those struggling with the idea that the booing of Goodes was race-based, here is a clue: it isn’t what you think. It is what it caused others to feel. Not just Goodes but any and every indigenous person who was hurt by the booing. Once this hurt was apparent anyone who kept up with the booing was either ignorant to the effects or just another racist jerk.


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[Sleuth1]

The silent majority.

If only they were silent.

If only they were a majority.

I don't think calling out racism is "self-righteous." Why do the Right always cry like babies when people stand up to it?

Great comment.

 

[BigCharlie]

He's telling people to give themselves coffee enemas?

Yes, preferably a flat white.

 

[Sleuth1]

Spot on.

Goodes didnt realise that you catch more flies with honey. People took exception not to his message but the way he chose to deliver it. Combine that with his increasingly dirty behaviour on field as talent alone wasnt enough any more, and thats the seed of what occurred that fed upon itself from that moment on.

I also disagree with the suggestion that this killed his career. He was 35, ffs. Time was up.

A lot of players get a bit dirty and crafty at the end of the career. Even Pendlebury stages sometimes but he still remains my fav. But I can't recall any of them enduring mass booing for a sustained period at their matches around the country. It was atrocious, racist and well just disgusting. Goodes is not a flawless character, he didn't ask to be Australian of Year and probably dreaded the reaction when he was. But their are a hell of a lot worse around and they are not subjected to the abuse he got. Booing as a group takes away individual responsibility and gives people cover to be abusive. Weak as piss. Sign that treaty and give our First Australians a treaty.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

A lot of players get a bit dirty and crafty at the end of the career. Even Pendlebury stages sometimes but he still remains my fav. But I can't recall any of them enduring mass booing for a sustained period at their matches around the country. It was atrocious, racist and well just disgusting. Goodes is not a flawless character, he didn't ask to be Australian of Year and probably dreaded the reaction when he was. But their are a hell of a lot worse around and they are not subjected to the abuse he got. Booing as a group takes away individual responsibility and gives people cover to be abusive. Weak as piss. Sign that treaty and give our First Australians a treaty.

You dont recall dirty players getting booed? Selective memory. Ablett is currently getting booed ""for a sustained period" because people deem him to be a dirty player due to recent incidents, and being an Israel Falou apologist. He'll keep his mouth shut and the moment will eventually pass though.

It was a very ugly incident all round but it wasnt a racist incident at the start. It became one when Goodes made it one. And then the mob mentality took over and decided to bully him.