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Unfortunately it seems the demise of the show is not a result of lack of funds on behalf of the SFL. More likely AFL Victoria, who have threatenned to withdraw significant funding to the SFL and similar leagues if these types of shows continue.... possibly due to an ugly conflict of interest where key decision makers at AFL Victoria also have a major stake in Sporting Pulse....
Sorry Folks, but the show you all love has probably been skittled by greed....outside of the SFL!!!
 
House said:
Unfortunately it seems the demise of the show is not a result of lack of funds on behalf of the SFL. More likely AFL Victoria, who have threatenned to withdraw significant funding to the SFL and similar leagues if these types of shows continue.... possibly due to an ugly conflict of interest where key decision makers at AFL Victoria also have a major stake in Sporting Pulse....
Sorry Folks, but the show you all love has probably been skittled by greed....outside of the SFL!!!
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How do Channel 31 and SportingPulse conflict? Different mediums. It's like saying MMM can't call footy because Channel 7 does it. Not questioning your info House I just can't see how that is a viable argument...
 
Despite what was said last night it remains the SFL's call as to whether the show does go ahead or not. They are concerned that AFL Victoria does not support it but as far as I am concerned they aren't prepared to lobby for it to stay. The board has the view that the show is "not core business" and that it doesn't bring any more players or spectators to games. But they don' know that for sure and besides that in my opinion the Footy Show is a massive plus for the SFL brand which has suffered a lot over the years.

The board don't want it to continue but mark my words if supporters and clubs want it and that is made known at the AGM then it has every chance of coming back. People need to led the board know so that they can make an "informed" decision so email footyshow@sfl.com.au even if it just says "I support the footy show!"

I think the league's preference is for it to continue but only through streaming off the internet. Not sure if anyone will be keen to watch it on the internet however?
 

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There's a couple of sides to this and I think the issue runs a lot deeper than a certain email described yesterday.

On the one hand, the show does cost money and I understand that each club contributes around $2,000 to keep it up when all is said and done. That's a major sponsor for a lot of clubs.

Having said that......we are all of us in the business of building our various communities. We do it because we love footy, playing, watching, having a beer and all the rest of it, but the effect of what we do is bring people from all walks of life together in pursuit of a common purpose. The social benefits of that are immeasurable.

Somewhere along the line an organisation called the AFL decided that they "owned" the game of football. They have an objective to "grow" the game of football. Now I've been trying to define what "grow" actually means and as far as I can tell, it means and is measured by the increase in TV ratings. Example.....ignore Tasmania in favour of an unwanted team in Western Sydney. I don't quite know how, but I suspect that Internet subscriptions are all part of that. There is this self perpetuating cycle of wealth creation at the elite level with nil bar a couple of token benefits filtering down to football at a community level.

So my broad view is that the clubs should try to resist this as much as possible. If there is an organisation (Channel 31) that is interested in working with us to promote our football, we should do what we can to work with them. Just as we should be doing more to support the sponsors that support us. Just about every club gets their "donation" from their Bendigo Community Bank. But how many club members use that bank for their mortgages? I know at my club it's a year by year struggle and we'll eventually lose the sponsorship. If that organisation got bang for their buck, we'd be in a position to say to them at a regional or state level "we need you to support our league and you need to do it because we all bank with you". But we are collectively oblivious to all of this and the only sponsors that can be guaranteed to get business out of their sponsorship are the pubs. This is one example, there are plenty of others.

Now I don't watch the Southern Footy Show since Benny refused to highlight a great pack mark that I took in the ressies one day.......ok, because it's on at the same time as I'm getting stuff ready at the club, but I think it's a good thing for our comp and we should do what we can to keep it. And we need to recognise when decisions are being made that serve not us at a community level, but those at the elite level. I'm not certain if this is one of those, but it smells like it is.

Here endeth the sermon.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
There's a couple of sides to this and I think the issue runs a lot deeper than a certain email described yesterday.

On the one hand, the show does cost money and I understand that each club contributes around $2,000 to keep it up when all is said and done. That's a major sponsor for a lot of clubs.
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I think you will find that the contribution from clubs last year was $200 not $2000. Also the powerbrokers have even said that if the show was self funded there would still be no guarantee that it would go to air.
 
local footy media said:
I think you will find that the contribution from clubs last year was $200 not $2000. Also the powerbrokers have even said that if the show was self funded there would still be no guarantee that it would go to air.
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Geez, give a dog a bone will ya? I just spent half an hour drafting up what I think was a pretty articulate post in support of you, and you go me on the one line against. I got those figures after some enquiry and they relate to losses of sponsors for next year (Springvale RSL? and another?) and how the costs might be attributed to clubs in that instance. I don't have the financials and I prefaced what I wrote with "I understand".
 
Hi all, I’ll put my 2 cents worth into the debate…..

Re AFL Vic - it was a recommendation/directive of AFL Vic to cease with all Metro Footy Shows SFL, EDFL and EFL. I’m guessing their preference is for online streaming instead of Ch 31. This would be all good and wonderful if everyone had unlimited download allowances on their broadband connections and didn’t mind sitting in front of a computer for 90 minutes. In reality I’m guessing this would not be the case for most people. The EDFL have a show available to view on their Website, which utilises blip.tv to host their content but I believe they are the only Metro league doing this.

In regards to the cost of the SFL footy show I’d be interested to know what the costs involved are. Do they pay Ch 31 for the Sat morn spot? Or are monies spent on hire of equipment and facilities for the actual show or rental of equipment for their radio broadcasts and camera hardware for footy vision?

In regards to the content of the Footy Show I believe the show could do with some tightening up and maybe reduced to a 60-minute program. Whilst I would never doubt the enthusiasm of the guys involved I really don’t need to see Benny walking around the CBD asking people who look like they’re drug or alcohol affected what they think about local footy! Extra content could be made available on the SFL website to anyone who wants to see extended highlights of interviews or vision of games. This may be a viable compromise between the League and the show. It could also be a good chance for the SFL footy show to review their content and explore the multi media outlets and opportunities available for them.

Thanks for your time

Steve Hewlett
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BruceFromBalnarring said:
Geez, give a dog a bone will ya? I just spent half an hour drafting up what I think was a pretty articulate post in support of you, and you go me on the one line against. I got those figures after some enquiry and they relate to losses of sponsors for next year (Springvale RSL? and another?) and how the costs might be attributed to clubs in that instance. I don't have the financials and I prefaced what I wrote with "I understand".
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I'm not sure how you interpret my post as having a go at you I merely pointed out a fact which was pertinent and followed up with a comment that was relevant.
 
CBTV I take your points but I think you will find that the screening fees for Ch 31 aren't the problem and there wouldn't be any real cost saving if the show was reduced by half an hour. CH 31 really want the show(CEO's words) and have provided very attractive fees to make sure it is on. To have it on the internet would still involve similar production costs and therefore the only thing you will save is the screening fees, which aren't much anyway. But on the internet you wont have the power to attract as much sponsorship so you will lose money anyway. So to save $10,000 for example, may cost you in excess of $20,000. Not sure that makes much sense.
 
House said:
Unfortunately it seems the demise of the show is not a result of lack of funds on behalf of the SFL. More likely AFL Victoria, who have threatenned to withdraw significant funding to the SFL and similar leagues if these types of shows continue.... possibly due to an ugly conflict of interest where key decision makers at AFL Victoria also have a major stake in Sporting Pulse....
Sorry Folks, but the show you all love has probably been skittled by greed....outside of the SFL!!!
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Now you have to register with Sporting Pulse's Myfootyweb to view results etc on the SFL web site.

I have a philosophical difficulty with this, so I have not registered, and cannot therefore access most of the SFL's content.

So, why do you have to register for info that used to be freely available, what are the benefits of registering, what do they do with our registration details, and is this linked to the SFL's position on the Southern Footy Show?

Or am I just a conspiracy theorist?
 

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local footy media said:
CBTV I take your points but I think you will find that the screening fees for Ch 31 aren't the problem and there wouldn't be any real cost saving if the show was reduced by half an hour. CH 31 really want the show(CEO's words) and have provided very attractive fees to make sure it is on. To have it on the internet would still involve similar production costs and therefore the only thing you will save is the screening fees, which aren't much anyway. But on the internet you wont have the power to attract as much sponsorship so you will lose money anyway. So to save $10,000 for example, may cost you in excess of $20,000. Not sure that makes much sense.
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Thanks for clearing that up, the obvious problem is the SFL aren't convinced the show raises the profile, attracts players or supporters to the League for the amount of money spent. I still believe this is a good opportunity for the footy show to completely review their content and embrace new technologies.
 
I'm all for the footy show, but I am not alone when I say Division 2 and 3 should never be the match of the round. If you want to promote a league, usually you show the best football in the league (Division 1). I also understand the dillema with showing the reserves footage due to volunteers but this problem must be rectified otherwise you might as well show Divvy 2 and 3 seniors.
 
Bears TV

The EDFL and WRFL both have shows streaming from their website. Wouldn't put either show in the same street as The Southern Footy Show. They are both radio shows performed infont of a video camera. They are talking heads, interviews with players, coaches, league presidents etc. They are nearly interchangeable (Even BearsTV overlay game footage to break the show up) They are presenting to the converted, the people within their leagues. They are not ENTERTAINING and it is hard for an outsider to keep interest for more than 5 minutes.

I was flicking channels one Saturday morning and came across The Southern Footy Show and I have watched each Saturday morning since. about 5 years. It entertains me and my family in our living room for the full 90 minutes and we don't live in the area or have an affiliation with a SFL club. Just footy tragics.

You want to see the show "tighter". Is that jargon for just do the serious footy stuff. If you get rid of Bennys Street Talk you will free up about 90 seconds. Maybe its the footy stuff you want to get rid of. You would save around 20min by flicking the previous weeks game highlights. How about ignoring the feature stories. See BearsTV have had 1400 visits to the Glenn Archer's come back game 10 weeks ago. The Footy Show would have drawn tens of thousands more viewers throughout Melbourne watching their story on one Saturday morning.

Which bring me to the last bit. "review their content and explore the multi media outlets and opportunities available for them." Leave their content alone and keep the show on free to air TV so that it has its largest exposure. I don't know quite what you mean by multi media outlets.

Forget web streaming, I want to be entertained. Why should AFL Victoria and the SFL dictate my footy viewing by insisting I change my viewing habbits from my family enviroment to watching in isolation, from my lounge to an office, from a plasma to computer screen.
 
Personally before i moved to the SFL i saw the show one morning and i have tired to watch it every morning since. I was really impressed by the show and actually envied the fact that my league at the time didn't have such a show.

If I'm anything to go by I think the show definitely attracts players and sponsors to the league. Its not the reason i moved to the league, but it was a very attractive bonus.

I don't agree about the comments some people have on div 2 & 3. I think thats one of the attractive parts of the show. Only 1/3 of the players come from div 1 and if the show was only about div 1 then i believe you would loose some of the viewers from those 2 divisions. Surely the league also wants to attract players to the 2nd and 3rd divisions to strengthen the whole league rather than just div 1. I mean surely div 2 would have to be the most boring league going around in the last couple of years with only 2 teams competing for the premiership for the entire season while all the others cant get within 10 goals of them.

I agree about the reserve and archive footage though. I know its hard to get hold of this footage, but if the show is to improve then i think this is the first area to focus on. I'm not sure what sort of footage the guys receive, but also some more vital parts of highlights would be nice to see. Most of the short highlights seem to be just the ball getting kicked up and down the field and nothing ever constructive happening.

Anyhow there just my thoughts on the subject.
Hopefully all works out and the show continues to run next year and beyond.:thumbsu:
 
gezza182 said:
Now you have to register with Sporting Pulse's Myfootyweb to view results etc on the SFL web site.

I have a philosophical difficulty with this, so I have not registered, and cannot therefore access most of the SFL's content.

So, why do you have to register for info that used to be freely available, what are the benefits of registering, what do they do with our registration details, and is this linked to the SFL's position on the Southern Footy Show?

Or am I just a conspiracy theorist?
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You get a daily email that Glen Archer has updated something.....:thumbsdown:
 
Master

I here what you are saying about Divy 2 and 3 but you don't see Channel 7 playing VFL footbal on Friday nights. Yeah do a round up of the rounds but the main game should be Divy 1, thus being the benefit of being in the top Divy. I personally think they should scrap Divy 3, hopefully making Divy 1 and 2 stronger and more even.
 
moulded stops said:
Master

I here what you are saying about Divy 2 and 3 but you don't see Channel 7 playing VFL footbal on Friday nights. Yeah do a round up of the rounds but the main game should be Divy 1, thus being the benefit of being in the top Divy. I personally think they should scrap Divy 3, hopefully making Divy 1 and 2 stronger and more even.
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hey champ unlike your good self we are not all divvy 1 or two players some of us just want to go and have a kick with mates.if you want to scrap divvy 3 why dont you just go find a league more suitable to your skills #$%^&*
 
Wiggy said:
Bears TV

The EDFL and WRFL both have shows streaming from their website. Wouldn't put either show in the same street as The Southern Footy Show. They are both radio shows performed infont of a video camera. They are talking heads, interviews with players, coaches, league presidents etc. They are nearly interchangeable (Even BearsTV overlay game footage to break the show up) They are presenting to the converted, the people within their leagues. They are not ENTERTAINING and it is hard for an outsider to keep interest for more than 5 minutes.

I was flicking channels one Saturday morning and came across The Southern Footy Show and I have watched each Saturday morning since. about 5 years. It entertains me and my family in our living room for the full 90 minutes and we don't live in the area or have an affiliation with a SFL club. Just footy tragics.

You want to see the show "tighter". Is that jargon for just do the serious footy stuff. If you get rid of Bennys Street Talk you will free up about 90 seconds. Maybe its the footy stuff you want to get rid of. You would save around 20min by flicking the previous weeks game highlights. How about ignoring the feature stories. See BearsTV have had 1400 visits to the Glenn Archer's come back game 10 weeks ago. The Footy Show would have drawn tens of thousands more viewers throughout Melbourne watching their story on one Saturday morning.

Which bring me to the last bit. "review their content and explore the multi media outlets and opportunities available for them." Leave their content alone and keep the show on free to air TV so that it has its largest exposure. I don't know quite what you mean by multi media outlets.

Forget web streaming, I want to be entertained. Why should AFL Victoria and the SFL dictate my footy viewing by insisting I change my viewing habbits from my family enviroment to watching in isolation, from my lounge to an office, from a plasma to computer screen.
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Thanks for the info re the other League shows, i did a quick search this arvo to see what others were doing but wasn't 100% sure. In regards to reviewing their content and exploring other opportunities i'm only thinking of ways they can survive without copping it where the chicken got the axe.

The SFL are getting heat from AFL Vic to can the show, and aren't convinced of it's viability so if the Sfl pull the plug and the footy show can't raise the capital to continue then we're all worse off. I wrongly thought that reducing the length of the show may reduce operating costs but have been informed by LFM that this is not the case. If both sides did there heels in then i can only see one outcome and that's a reduced coverage next year.....my preference is to maintain the current format with some rejigging plus extended highlights avail by streaming from the website. i understand you don't like web streaming but if used correctly may add value to the Footy Show.

Thanks again for your time.:thumbsu:
 
From what I've seen over the last 24 hours on this thread, it seems the majority have spoken. Without any doubt, the players, members, sponsors and spectators all agree that the show should go on!!!!

You must all understand that the old silver haired 80's relicks that run the competition do not read any of what you have posted here. Most of them leave the computer to their teenage daughters and feel that they do not have to understand them, let alone the forums that discuss what goes on in their competitions within their daughter's computers.
What it will take is someone to collate these opinions and put them before the League board before its too late.
Maybe if all of you print this stuff out and hand it to your club president and ask them to forward it on to the silver tops on the SFL board we may have some chance.
Thers is no doubt that to continue to discuss the way we do where everyone agrees in a forum that the desicion makers will never see is an abject waste of everone's time.
Club Presidents, armed with this feedback from "the market place" should be irrefutable evidence that this show should continue in some form for the good of the SFL brand and for the continued development of community footy in the southern suburbs.
At present, the league are aware that as a brand the SFL is the fifth best (at least) brand in suburban footy and their charter is to build this brand. Our feedback should demonstrate to them that the axing of the show will further water down this brand to something that accounts for virtually nothing compared to other competitions at present.
Talk to your president as soon as you can and ask them to act
 
Is there a possibility of including some none SFL clubs in the coverage, say the southern clubs in the VAFA, like Hampton, Ormond, Bentleigh ect. Still keep it a SFL focus but include other leagues/teams to make it more appealing to sponsors or get other clubs involved to chip in?
 
Novel idea Cannonball, but I can't see it growing any legs. It's all about promoting their own product and rightly so.

For what it's worth I'd like to see the show continue. As a local lad playing in the VAFA, I find myself tuning in every Satruday morning to follow the SFL.

VAFA had their own tv show on Ch.31. For whatever reasons they ceased to persist with it.
 

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