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[Shinboners]

A hypothetical for Geelong - what would you give to us in exchange for our first round pick? And no, we're not interested in Spriggs. If you've got a good midfielder for us, we could give you our first round pick, and with that, you've got 2 first round picks to hand over to Richmond for Ottens.

Now, whilst I could understand that blokes like Ling, Scarlett, Ablett Jr. are off limits, but how about someone like P. Johnson, Bartel, or Kelly?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I would harness a guess to say Bartel, Kelly and Steve Johnson (unless you're talking about Dave - Ahhh!) would all be untouchable. All three are gems, and I don't think they'd trade Chapman either as he's the heart and soul of the club. Geelong are a tough club to trade with as they have a very close group of guys down there, and their KPP stocks are pretty dire too apart from the untouchables in King, Harley and Scarlett. I wouldn't trade pick 10 for Mooney, Kingsley or Graham, would you?

Ultimately in the end he did to Footscray, against his initial wishes.

Rawlings didn't agree to be traded there, and in the end it was basically sit out of footy for the year or go to the Bulldogs, because they had the top pick in the PSD. We can't do this, as he wouldn't get past Collingwood or Adelaide, assuming he got past Hawthorn and the Dogs. We HAVE to trade to get Ottens, meaning he HAS to agree to come here.

 

[Richmond_33]

would north melbourne want ottens i thought this hale guy was gunna be a star and ottens has no heart

 

[nananana catman]

A hypothetical for Geelong - what would you give to us in exchange for our first round pick? And no, we're not interested in Spriggs. If you've got a good midfielder for us, we could give you our first round pick, and with that, you've got 2 first round picks to hand over to Richmond for Ottens.

Now, whilst I could understand that blokes like Ling, Scarlett, Ablett Jr. are off limits, but how about someone like P. Johnson, Bartel, or Kelly?

Firstly, i think you must mean Steve Johsnon? or David

Umm i think you could understand Bartel and Kelly being off limits. We used early picks on them and they're great players, also given wed have to couple them with a first round pick for Ottens is a bit rich, it would be like us asking for Wells or Harris.

Pick 10 is pretty decent indeed and may be too high for the blokes wed be looking to trade for a pick. Moloney, Wojcinski and Enright (injured most of this year, but have to remember 5th in b&f previous year) are all young and quality. so:

Moloney and a 3rd round pick
Enright and a 3rd round pick
Wojcinski and Spriggs
or Mooney in a straight swap.

you might see them as crap, and to be honest i think the best well be able to do is get Essendons pick for Woja and Spriggs.

 

[Rooboy 96]

LoL!

Hows about,
Wells and ur second round pick for Ottens.

Considering ruchman values are doubles these days because of such low stocks and low talent in most clubs (not all-but most).

If kangaroos really want Ottens, we say the same thing to you people as we are to Geelong, Give up quality to receive quality.

Thankyou deal done see you next year.

you had Wells and gave him up for Kane... please don't cry over spilt milk...

 

[Shinboners]

Fair enough on Bartel, Kelly, and S Johnson - I was just asking.

I wouldn't be keen on Spriggs or Mooney. Moloney/Wojcinski/Enright and your second round pick for our first round pick would tempt me - but I have to admit, I'd have to go back and watch their performances to make up my mind.

 

[greg]

A hypothetical for Geelong - what would you give to us in exchange for our first round pick? And no, we're not interested in Spriggs. If you've got a good midfielder for us, we could give you our first round pick, and with that, you've got 2 first round picks to hand over to Richmond for Ottens.

Now, whilst I could understand that blokes like Ling, Scarlett, Ablett Jr. are off limits, but how about someone like P. Johnson, Bartel, or Kelly?

Shinners

I posted somthing similar under the Brad Ottens thread, I didn't see you post here.

Anyway great minds think alike

 

[joybell27]

Geelong have been trying to lure a key forward to Kardinia Park for a number of years. They have a good team but they really need a key forward to go the next step. Now that they have convinced Ottens to play for them, Geelong will go all out to get him there.

I am with Shinboners on this one. Wallace has said he wants two first round draft picks for Ottens. We may be able to do get a decent player from Geelong for our pick 10.

I don't hold out much hope of Ottens making it to North, but he is worth going after. On the off chance that things don't turn out with Geelong you just never know what might happen.

 

[hurricane]

Firstly, i think you must mean Steve Johsnon? or David

Umm i think you could understand Bartel and Kelly being off limits. We used early picks on them and they're great players, also given wed have to couple them with a first round pick for Ottens is a bit rich, it would be like us asking for Wells or Harris.

Pick 10 is pretty decent indeed and may be too high for the blokes wed be looking to trade for a pick. Moloney, Wojcinski and Enright (injured most of this year, but have to remember 5th in b&f previous year) are all young and quality. so:

Moloney and a 3rd round pick
Enright and a 3rd round pick
Wojcinski and Spriggs
or Mooney in a straight swap.

you might see them as crap, and to be honest i think the best well be able to do is get Essendons pick for Woja and Spriggs.

Trouble is, I think you're going to have to give away one of your young 'guns' if you really want to get hold of Ottens.
You probably have to look at it as an exchange of midfield class (of which you have plenty) for tall class (which you don't).

None of your offerings has much value to us... Neither Moloney or Enright are worth our no.10 (the 3rd rounder is just a balancer), while Wojcinski and Spriggs won't add much to our team that we haven't got. Perhaps Mooney, but I'm not sure we can build a team around him (you guys tried, and he didn't fire until he was used as a spare parts man)

I reckon Kelly/Bartel for pick 10 and 26 would be a fair swap (doesn't mean you'd want to take it, of course).

 

[Shinboners]

Shinners

I posted somthing similar under the Brad Ottens thread, I didn't see you post here.

Anyway great minds think alike

Heh, heh, heh......I reckon we should just keep 'em waiting. Play Geelong well enough and we might actually nab one of their gun midfielders rather than a fringe one.

I see it this way. We're after Simmonds, but I doubt we'll get him as his preference is to stay with Fremantle and I reckon they'll kiss and make up. However, we know that Geelong are desperate for a forward and Ottens is that man - so let's just keep Geelong hanging on for as long as possible. If they're that desperate for Ottens, they'll give us something over the odds for that pick to ontrade to Richmond.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Trouble is, I think you're going to have to give away one of your young 'guns' if you really want to get hold of Ottens.
You probably have to look at it as an exchange of midfield class (of which you have plenty) for tall class (which you don't).

None of your offerings has much value to us... Neither Moloney or Enright are worth our no.10 (the 3rd rounder is just a balancer), while Wojcinski and Spriggs won't add much to our team that we haven't got. Perhaps Mooney, but I'm not sure we can build a team around him (you guys tried, and he didn't fire until he was used as a spare parts man)

I reckon Kelly/Bartel for pick 10 and 26 would be a fair swap (doesn't mean you'd want to take it, of course).

picks 10 and 26??? we don't need Kelly/Bartel... they need our pick 10... they need to do the asking not us doing the offering...

 

[hurricane]

picks 10 and 26??? we don't need Kelly/Bartel... they need our pick 10... they need to do the asking not us doing the offering...

True, but I'm just trying to put a fair value on Kelly/Bartel. Sure, we don't need them, but I'd take either of them in a flash for the right deal. What do you think they'd be worth?

 

[greg]

Heh, heh, heh......I reckon we should just keep 'em waiting. Play Geelong well enough and we might actually nab one of their gun midfielders rather than a fringe one.

I see it this way. We're after Simmonds, but I doubt we'll get him as his preference is to stay with Fremantle and I reckon they'll kiss and make up. However, we know that Geelong are desperate for a forward and Ottens is that man - so let's just keep Geelong hanging on for as long as possible. If they're that desperate for Ottens, they'll give us something over the odds for that pick to ontrade to Richmond.

Yeh stuff'em all

We could also have a go at Mackie and/or Playfair aswell, these boys might not get a go if Ottens arrives at the Cats

 

[Chadwiko]

trading 1st round pick for cameron mooney and a 3rd round pick from geelong would be a good trade.

I've been watching geelong the past few weeks, and cameron mooney has definite potential. He reminds me a lot of Leigh Brown or even Colbert in how he has played.

Realistically, I think we should put our 1st round pick out there as a trade possibility. The last few years we've drafted sensationally well and gotten some young future stars, and getting Jesse Smith in the 3rd means that we've probably dont really neeeed to draft yet another young gun who wont fire for 2-3 years.

I personally feel we should offer our 1st round pick as trade bait for an established, class footballer.

You've got to remember, our selectors seem to have a knack for picking "average" footballers from other clubs, and bringing them to our club to become really great and consistent players.

Cameron Mooney would fit in fantastically with our current roster. It would free up Browny to move forward,as I think he really should be our standard CHF.

 

[apollo_creed]

trading 1st round pick for cameron mooney and a 3rd round pick from geelong would be a good trade.

I've been watching geelong the past few weeks, and cameron mooney has definite potential. He reminds me a lot of Leigh Brown or even Colbert in how he has played.

Realistically, I think we should put our 1st round pick out there as a trade possibility. The last few years we've drafted sensationally well and gotten some young future stars, and getting Jesse Smith in the 3rd means that we've probably dont really neeeed to draft yet another young gun who wont fire for 2-3 years.

I personally feel we should offer our 1st round pick as trade bait for an established, class footballer.

You've got to remember, our selectors seem to have a knack for picking "average" footballers from other clubs, and bringing them to our club to become really great and consistent players.

Cameron Mooney would fit in fantastically with our current roster. It would free up Browny to move forward,as I think he really should be our standard CHF.

Cam Mooney we had him we won't get him back he's theres now, while were at it lets make a play for Tredrea.

 

[pinkus maximus]

Channel Nine Perth reported tonight that Simmonds has been offered a three year deal from the Dockers, a four year deal from Sydney and a FIVE year deal from the Roos. They also said part of the reason for him possobly leaving is because of his desire to be the #1 ruckman

 

[tashibatts]

Five year deal... holy crap!!! You'll be 31/32 by then Mr Simmonds..

Come on Mr Simmonds. Arden St.. the place to be.


Go Roos

 

[Chadwiko]

with all the rumours saying we might get both simmonds AND ottens... if we dont end up getting either im going to be disappointed

Imagine if we got them both though..

Im salivating at the prospect.

Kangaroos have been nothing short of brilliant in how they have drafted and traded in the past 3 years to get themselves to where they are at now.

Young guns waiting on the sidelines...money to play with to recruit talented footballers...

awesome

 

[tashibatts]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10899575%5E2722,00.html

Confirms the five year offer.

I'm excited by this, very excited..

Go Roos

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Question: Theoretically, if we do make a big play for Ottens as has been suggested, and St Kilda do offer Black, what are we going to have to bargain with that would entice the Dockers to deal with us over St Kilda, considering Black's 2004 form? Considering there's already a contract on the table (it seems), makes it tough to back out.

 

[Wels Eicke]

5 years, that has trouble written all over it. Boy, we must be desperate. If he can't be satisfied with 3 years, I think we might be better off leaving him alone....though obviously we won't. And I notice he's only 196cm tall. Doesn't seem to have affected his ruck work in the past, but he's not quite as tall as I thought. He's more a KP height actually, which makes sense Fremantle playing him up forward. I guess Jeff White is a similar height though.

Anyway, reckon 5 years is over the top. Too many variables over that length of time and we should be cautious.

 

[Shinboners]

Agree with Wels Eicke on this one - five years is way over the top for Simmonds.

 

[Shinboners]

trading 1st round pick for cameron mooney and a 3rd round pick from geelong would be a good trade.

I've been watching geelong the past few weeks, and cameron mooney has definite potential. He reminds me a lot of Leigh Brown or even Colbert in how he has played.

Cam Mooney is a useful player, but he's not worth a 1st round pick (even with Geelong's 3rd round thrown in).

Mooney bashes and crashes, which is useful, but that's really only a support job. For a 1st rounder, you want someone who can control a position on the field or put a decent amount of influence on a game.

 

[NeoBlaze]

see what i mean by exorbinant prices?!?! 5 years, haven't we learnt from Essendon's mistakes? By the time the 2-3 year is up Simmond's won't be able to jump as high as he can now after player no.1 ruck all season.

 

[Rooboy 96]

True, but I'm just trying to put a fair value on Kelly/Bartel. Sure, we don't need them, but I'd take either of them in a flash for the right deal. What do you think they'd be worth?

You have to look at a few things... firstly I don't care if we get Ottens... in fact would be happy not to... so that allows us to trade the #10 pick...

Geelong are desperate for a key forward... and only have pick #16...

Richmond want 2 first round picks... perference for 2 top 12 picks listening to Wallace...

I am happy to use #10 on the best kid available... but

if Geelong really want it... who am I too stand in their way...

obviously it will cost them...

what about one of their better young midfielders (my preference would be bartel or tenace) and their third round pick for picks #10 and our 4th round pick...

remember they screwed us over for Colbert and now they have to pay for Ottens... funny how these things always come back to bite you on the arse... just like Ottens wanting more money and Richmond poaching Gasper from Sydney... just shows you always have to pay your dues...

what do you think of that???