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May 15, 2007
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Perhaps this could have been posted under another thread (Online bookies are not up to scratch), but I didn't want my gripe to get tossed in with the others. I also think it's a bit different as in this instance the organisation has done nothing to soothe or placate the aggrieved which is what surprises me most of all. It appears from the other thread that the other bookmakers in question have done their best to provide at least some degree of service to the customer.

I know the amounts in question are very small; but keep in mind it's all relative. To many the figures quoted would be chicken feed but to others it may be something more important. And my main beef is with the pathetic or should I say non-existent customer service from a seemingly professional outfit.

On Friday night I placed a $5 wager @ $10 on Corey Jones to be leading goalscorer with Sportsbet Australia. As we now know, Jones kicked 3 goals on the night however was trumped by John Anthony with 4. I therefore assumed it was a losing bet, although I held out a small amount of hope as I couldn't recall whether Anthony was named, or whether there was an 'any unlisted player' option. I am aware that there usually is, but I wasn't certain as different agencies sometimes offer different options.

Therefore it was a pleasant surprise when I checked my account the next morning to find that Corey Jones was declared the winner and I had been paid my winnings of $50. I checked my betting history and the results listed by Sportsbet and found that I had indeed been successful. I then proceeded to place a number of bets throughout the afternoon on the races, and by the end of the day had basically broken even, having about $60 remaining. I then logged out for about an hour before hopping back in to place a few bets on the footy that night.

To my astonishment, my balance was now around $10. I couldn't work out what had happened at first. I thought maybe I had mucked up a bet and put more than I meant to put on, and even for a very brief moment thought maybe I'd been the victim of an upheld protest, but of course this was ridiculous as they had 'paid out'. I then went back through my betting history and found that the + $45.00 against Jones's name, had been changed to - $5.00. I then checked Sportsbet's results and found that the winner was now 'any unlisted player'. My betting plans for the night were out the window.

I have no idea about the legalities of this situation. I can only assume that a professional organisation would only take this action if they are legally entitled. But then a professional organisation would not pay out a bet, do nothing for close to 24 hours, and then change the result and withdraw funds from your account with NO WARNING OR EXPLANATION whatsoever.

That's right. No email, no nothing. I assume I am not the only one who was affected by THEIR mistake, and yet they have not even had the decency to apologise or even explain what occurred. To make matters worse I emailed them on their 'customer service' line and two days later have not received any kind of response at all. Clearly they don't believe their customer's are worthy of such courtesy.

Whilst I placed my bet online, Sportsbet are still a traditional bookmaker as far as I'm concerned. Just because they can access my account does that mean they should? If I had placed a bet on-course and they incorrectly paid me out; how would they recoup their funds? Would they chase me around the racecourse? Would they make an announcement asking all the punters who had been mistakenly paid to please return to them to repay their winnings? Would they write me a letter asking really, really nicely if they could please have their money back? What if I hadn't had any funds left in my account? Would I have received an invoice asking me to remedy my 'overdrawn' account? I can't tell you how incredibly keen I would have been to make my next deposit if that had been the situation.:rolleyes:

I've no doubt some who've bothered to read this far would say, "So what, your bet didn't win, they've got their right to nab it back off you (without explanation!!!), you'd be asking for the winnings if it was the other way around...." And yes, you bet I'd want my winnings if it was the other way around, but remember - it was their mistake. Punters have no claim when they stuff up their bets. I was fortunate (or unfortunate depending on how you look at it) enough to have the funds in my account to be stolen back, but if I can put another scenario out there perhaps the issue becomes more meaningful.

Imagine if those winnings had been a significant amount of say $1000. Let's then say you went out and paid off that loan, bought that TV, the kids Xmas pressies etc. based on the knowledge your winnings were sitting in your account waiting to be withdrawn, only to find them gone with no explanation and seemingly no recourse. Sorry kids, no soup (or anything else for that matter) for you this fortnight.

It was their mistake, they wear it in my eyes. Get the work experience kid off the job of finalising the results, and take it as a lesson learned. But most of all, show some common decency and when you decide to dip your fingers into people's accounts, give them an explanation or better still, an apology.
 

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This is the site that took 120 dollars of me for placing a bet at 3AM on a French League Cup soccer match from a Telstra ISP computer South of the River despite the fact I use IPrimus and live NOR.

According to them someone hacked my account and got hold of my password. Or that I told someone. Yes because so many people hack betting accounts to bet on 1.20 favorites merely seconds before the event is about to start on a Monday morning. :thumbsdown:. I can think of about 1 person I know SOR and they dont barely have a TV never mind a computer with broadband.

I argued back and forth for 5 days before I gave up. What could I do.
 
Its the same as someone accidently putting $10k in your bank account - if you're pretty sure it isn't yours then don't spend it. They'll come knocking eventually or in your case fix the result when the poor bastards who backed 'Any Unlisted Player' complain.

It is a worrying sign though that online bookies are getting the results so wrong.
You do deserve an apology though.
 
Its the same as someone accidently putting $10k in your bank account - if you're pretty sure it isn't yours then don't spend it. They'll come knocking eventually or in your case fix the result when the poor bastards who backed 'Any Unlisted Player' complain.

It is a worrying sign though that online bookies are getting the results so wrong.
You do deserve an apology though.

I deserve more then that. Sportsbet are very bad because they never admit they were wrong. I mean if I bet on Cathy Freeman winning the gold medal id have to get her to turn up to their headquarters with her gold medal just to get paid out I reckon.

A few times id bet on first goal kicked. Id bet on a few players. Theyd take the losing bets out and and leave the winning one hovering there for hours before they pay it out. What are they waiting for exactly. Daytripper might know as hes done that line of work before. What would be a 4 hr delay on paying out from taking the losing bets. Can you imagine if you went to the casino playing blackjack. Dealer gets 20 takes the losing bets and says no ill pay that blackjack in 3 hours....

That site should be shut down by the government or something. Its ridiculous
 
A few times id bet on first goal kicked. Id bet on a few players. Theyd take the losing bets out and and leave the winning one hovering there for hours before they pay it out. What are they waiting for exactly. Daytripper might know as hes done that line of work before. What would be a 4 hr delay on paying out from taking the losing bets. Can you imagine if you went to the casino playing blackjack. Dealer gets 20 takes the losing bets and says no ill pay that blackjack in 3 hours....
I have no idea why that would happen. Most of the online bookies use the same back office systems (its designed by the one guy) unless Sportsbet have some sort of thing about only finalising bets when all the multis are covered for that bet type. Thats the only thing I can think of. Otherwise its simply a case of the staff forgetting to finalise those bet types
That site should be shut down by the government or something. Its ridiculous

Its licenced by the NT Govt. No chance of getting it shut down.

The owners of Sportsbet have what you might call a 'colourful' past.
 
I have no idea why that would happen. Most of the online bookies use the same back office systems (its designed by the one guy) unless Sportsbet have some sort of thing about only finalising bets when all the multis are covered for that bet type. Thats the only thing I can think of. Otherwise its simply a case of the staff forgetting to finalise those bet types


Its licenced by the NT Govt. No chance of getting it shut down.

The owners of Sportsbet have what you might call a 'colourful' past.

Not surprising its based in Darwin. I figured the system in place would take the losing bets and pay the winning bets at the same time. Not sure how they forget it. I think youd be surprised how often they make mistakes those guys
 
Its the same as someone accidently putting $10k in your bank account - if you're pretty sure it isn't yours then don't spend it. They'll come knocking eventually or in your case fix the result when the poor bastards who backed 'Any Unlisted Player' complain.

It is a worrying sign though that online bookies are getting the results so wrong.
You do deserve an apology though.

That would seem a reasonable argument at first glance, but really - they don't have to 'declare correct weight' as it were, until they are ready to. They have ample opportunity to check and recheck the results before honouring successful bets.

I received this money in good faith. I thought that there probably would have been an 'unlisted player' in the options, but I can promise you I was not certain. When the results were posted and then remained unchanged for nearly 24 hours, I think it was more than reasonable to assume the money was mine.

And is there some sort of statute of limitations here? How long do they have to 'change their minds'? If it happens to be some obscure event that wasn't heavily wagered upon, could they seemingly remain ignorant to an error for six months and then come knocking??

But as you mentioned Lockyer24, my main gripe is with the underhanded way in which they treated me/us. Slyness in the extreme. And still no response to my email of concerns after more than 48 hours.
 
Its the same as someone accidently putting $10k in your bank account - if you're pretty sure it isn't yours then don't spend it. You do deserve an apology though.

Its awful customer service but this sums it up for me.

I fell into their Super Sunday promotion a couple of years ago,great offers but their organisational abilities were a debacle,couldnt cancel my account fast enough.

seth
 
Once a bookie pays out then they should not be able to take your money. Legally are they allowed to do it? :confused: Just because you aren't physically touching the money, shouldn't give them the right to take away what they paid out on.

Sports Bet make a lot of mistakes. They've left races open when they have already been run and won, and paid out $4.90 quinellas at $490. ;)
 
Once I made a bet with sportsbet online and like 5 minutes later some old guy calls me on my phone saying that the event was "supposedly" a minute or so in when I placed the bet and that they would have to refund my bet. I told them that i had no clue and that they should close events on time. They hung up and didnt even say sorry or anything. I then checked online to see if my bet was winning and of course it was which is why they made the call. They are very stingy because I wouldnt have even won that much with my wager and I reckon they wouldve taken my money if it was losing :mad:
 
these guys don't sound too great.

i used to use sportingbet.com.au they were brilliant. never had a problem that wasn't resolved and always got good odds.

only actually ever had one problem and that was when my account balance didn't show up when i deposited money into it. waited a few hours, called them and gave them the reference # etc,. and it was fixed in 10 minutes.

highly recommended in my eyes
 

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I have been using sportsbet for the last few years and really enjoy the site.

In fact I like the amatuerish way its runs sometimes as it allows the opporunistic punter to get one back every now and then. I once bet on race after it had been run which is alwasy a bonus.

When i first signed up they were offering fixed odds quinellas for some reason so i cleaned up on that before i got a phone call saying they were cancelling my bets for that race but could not take away the winnings i already had.

Even this season in AFL betting i found that it was possible to include in a multi - A pick 4 (eg adelaide,brisbane, carton, collingwood)
with - adelaide (head to head)
- brisbane (head to head)
- carlton (head to head)
- (collingwood (head to head)

which in effect gave me the odds of the pick 4 squared. 16 different combo's, simple spreadsheet to work otu how much to be on each and i cleaned up in week 1. Week 2 was a diffetretn story however because i told a few people which for the record, dont ever do when your on a good thing. They were on to it and cancelled all bets. They were very nice about though and i got an email anda phone cal. They also let me keep the winnings from the previous week.

Also they alwasy have the any other player option in sportsbet. So you should have been suprised to get paid out and expected them to realise. You didnt get away with it to just cop it on the chin.
 
I have been using sportsbet for the last few years and really enjoy the site.

In fact I like the amatuerish way its runs sometimes as it allows the opporunistic punter to get one back every now and then. I once bet on race after it had been run which is alwasy a bonus.

When i first signed up they were offering fixed odds quinellas for some reason so i cleaned up on that before i got a phone call saying they were cancelling my bets for that race but could not take away the winnings i already had.

Even this season in AFL betting i found that it was possible to include in a multi - A pick 4 (eg adelaide,brisbane, carton, collingwood)
with - adelaide (head to head)
- brisbane (head to head)
- carlton (head to head)
- (collingwood (head to head)

which in effect gave me the odds of the pick 4 squared. 16 different combo's, simple spreadsheet to work otu how much to be on each and i cleaned up in week 1. Week 2 was a diffetretn story however because i told a few people which for the record, dont ever do when your on a good thing. They were on to it and cancelled all bets. They were very nice about though and i got an email anda phone cal. They also let me keep the winnings from the previous week.

Also they alwasy have the any other player option in sportsbet. So you should have been suprised to get paid out and expected them to realise. You didnt get away with it to just cop it on the chin.

Unlike your good self, I wasn't trying to get away with anything :mad:

I resent even the slightest inference that I was consciously trying to obtain an underhanded advantage. If I was trying to 'get away' with it I would have immediately withdrawn the funds from my account.

And you say they 'alwasy (sic) have the any other player option in sportsbet' - well you've just pointed out yourself how many mistakes they make. Is it not therefore reasonable to suggest that perhaps they made a 'mistake' and didn't list the 'unlisted player' option last Friday night? How will I ever know?

The biggest issue is their initial incompetence, followed by their refusal to acknowledge a not insignificant mistake, along with completely unprofessional conduct in failing to respond in any way to a customer that they have wronged.
 
Send them an email telling them how you feel and ask for a free bet. I know it doesn't make up for it but I'm sure they'd be willing to give you a free bet to keep their customer 'happy'.
 
Its awful customer service but this sums it up for me.

I fell into their Super Sunday promotion a couple of years ago,great offers but their organisational abilities were a debacle,couldnt cancel my account fast enough.

seth

Just on this...

On Sunday they had a promotion 'Infallible Sunday'. The deal was any losing win, place or each way bet placed between 1-2pm of up to $50 per bet would result in free bets for today (Wednesday).

I placed 6 bets with 4 losing. $50, $50, $50 and $20. I just logged into my account to see if they're in and they've credited me with only one $50 free bet. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Just on this...

On Sunday they had a promotion 'Infallible Sunday'. The deal was any losing win, place or each way bet placed between 1-2pm of up to $50 per bet would result in free bets for today (Wednesday).

I placed 6 bets with 4 losing. $50, $50, $50 and $20. I just logged into my account to see if they're in and they've credited me with only one $50 free bet. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

That sounds right to me. What did you expect ?
 
Just on this...

On Sunday they had a promotion 'Infallible Sunday'. The deal was any losing win, place or each way bet placed between 1-2pm of up to $50 per bet would result in free bets for today (Wednesday).

I placed 6 bets with 4 losing. $50, $50, $50 and $20. I just logged into my account to see if they're in and they've credited me with only one $50 free bet. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

did they result by 6pm?
 
Just on this...

On Sunday they had a promotion 'Infallible Sunday'. The deal was any losing win, place or each way bet placed between 1-2pm of up to $50 per bet would result in free bets for today (Wednesday).

I placed 6 bets with 4 losing. $50, $50, $50 and $20. I just logged into my account to see if they're in and they've credited me with only one $50 free bet. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I had the same thing, I had 10 "losing" bets (but wernt losing as I layed them over at BetFair) logged in and had only 6 free bets, emailed them and within the hour I had the 10 free bets ready to go, was a great offer by using Betfair and Sportsbet I made a risk free $343- from this offer :)

Sportsbet have been great to me, they have made a couple of mistakes in the past and always paid out, the classic last year was they pu the SANFl markets for North V South up back to front, they put up North at $3.20 when they should have been $1.30, I had $400- on and I know many others that did as well, they took down the market and then reset it the right way, North won and they paid out on the $3.20 when they could have reversed the bets.

Agree at teh very least you should have got an email from them explaining the error/correction, I know Centrebet do this
 
Here's a good one boys.

Clarkson has confirmed Mitchell is out tnite.

Tab sportsbet suspended betting and took mitchell out of the market and reopened a new one.

Sportsbet still has the market open with Mitchell listed at $7.

Most Possessions <H2>

</H2>Joel Corey3.25 James Bartel3.50 Sam Mirtchell7.00 Brad Sewell7.00 Joel Selwood7.00 Corey Enright10.00 Jordan Lewis12.00 Chance Bateman14.00


Does this mean say you back bartel he wins you get $3.50 and he is only in a 7 horse race now. Will his odds be deducted? Any more info would be great
 
Here's a good one boys.

Clarkson has confirmed Mitchell is out tnite.

Tab sportsbet suspended betting and took mitchell out of the market and reopened a new one.

Sportsbet still has the market open with Mitchell listed at $7.

Most Possessions <H2>

</H2>Joel Corey3.25 James Bartel3.50 Sam Mirtchell7.00 Brad Sewell7.00 Joel Selwood7.00 Corey Enright10.00 Jordan Lewis12.00 Chance Bateman14.00


Does this mean say you back bartel he wins you get $3.50 and he is only in a 7 horse race now. Will his odds be deducted? Any more info would be great


Scratching rule would apply and I would say the deduction would be about 12% of the face value of the ticket.
 

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