Star AFL Player in gang rape claim

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Originally posted by OB1
I heard a RUMOUR a few days later that it involved Kouta but from memory the rumour was that she had willingly had sex with him before another player/s were involved.

Kouta? Come on, everyone knows he is homosexual! :rolleyes:

Oh hang on, that was just another rumour, wasn't it!?
 
Originally posted by MarkT
I am as cynical as the next man but maybe they come out because women see it is a current issue and have kept quiet for long enough. Maybe they feel the need to speak about what happened to them and that no action was taken? Footy clubs have paid victims of crime to keep quiet since year dot. The fact is footy clubs break laws to keep their players playing. I don't know whether the woman/women in question have been paid to keep quiet or whether they were frustrated by the legal process at the time but neither would surprise me in the least. It is well past the time when footballers should go to jail for serious crimes and should be accountable for less serious crimes as we all would be. Not made examples of, just treated as normal citizens.

That said, footballers are easy targets and calling people rapists before they have been tried, let alone convicted, is unfair.

Don't want to split hairs Mark, but when has rape ever NOT been a serious issue? And if a woman is going to accept money to 'keep quiet' about it, but accept more money from someone else to 'tell the truth' 5 years later, you have to be sceptical.
Totally agree, footballers SHOULD be treated like everyone else in regards to society crimes, but they'll be standing in line behind a number of pollies, rock stars, actors, etc. We are the ones who must demand it, and stop 'worshipping' anyone noted in the public eye.
 

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If this is a totally new claim & she's kept it quiet for 5 years I'd be a bit scepticle but one of the reasons I mentioned the article from 5 years ago is to show that this is possibly not the first time its been brought up.
I've been at several functions & pubs when AFL players are present & there's no doubt women throw themselves at players, even the ugly ones (you girls should be ashamed of yourselves) so I wouldn't be surprised if these sorts of accusations start coming out of the woodwork & even though some may have merit I'm sure there will be the odd attempt to simply cash in.
 
Originally posted by Ramma
Don't want to split hairs Mark, but when has rape ever NOT been a serious issue? And if a woman is going to accept money to 'keep quiet' about it, but accept more money from someone else to 'tell the truth' 5 years later, you have to be sceptical.
I didn't mean to imply that it was ever not a serious issue. I don't see any evidence of money being paid to speak out now though. That is unfair speculation at this stage.
Originally posted by Ramma
Totally agree, footballers SHOULD be treated like everyone else in regards to society crimes, but they'll be standing in line behind a number of pollies, rock stars, actors, etc. We are the ones who must demand it, and stop 'worshipping' anyone noted in the public eye.
I think it has more to do with how the legal system works than hero worship. Take a look at the OJ Simpson case. I don't think it was his previous hero status that saw him acquitted. In the case of footballers there is a long line of club bailouts. They tend to stop after retirement funnily enough.
 
Originally posted by OB1
If this is a totally new claim & she's kept it quiet for 5 years I'd be a bit scepticle but one of the reasons I mentioned the article from 5 years ago is to show that this is possibly not the first time its been brought up.
I've been at several functions & pubs when AFL players are present & there's no doubt women throw themselves at players, even the ugly ones (you girls should be ashamed of yourselves) so I wouldn't be surprised if these sorts of accusations start coming out of the woodwork & even though some may have merit I'm sure there will be the odd attempt to simply cash in.

The incident you are referring to after the 99 GF was the claim that the girl had consensual sex with a player, then later woke to find another player attempting to have sex with her. She claimed she recognised the player after seeing him in a team photo in the newspaper a couple of days later.

This new accusation is not the same one!
 
Originally posted by MarkT
I didn't mean to imply that it was ever not a serious issue. I don't see any evidence of money being paid to speak out now though. That is unfair speculation at this stage.
I think it has more to do with how the legal system works than hero worship. Take a look at the OJ Simpson case. I don't think it was his previous hero status that saw him acquitted. In the case of footballers there is a long line of club bailouts. They tend to stop after retirement funnily enough.

The speculation is as unfair as that being allegated against the 'high profile AFL footballer' atm.
Do they get bailed out because of the 'public perception' (against player AND club)? Almost certainly, but that has nothing to do with the legal system, only the means for the player/club in which to utilise it, as opposed to Joe Blow in the street who often cannot. If we continue to acknowledge their crimes (much like society has with Gary Ablett) no matter how small, the players MAY reconsider what they are doing with the standing they hold in the community.
 
No it isn't at all because the rape allegation is coming from the alleged victim whereas the payment are coming from people who made it up as a guess as to why the claim has been aired. If you know the woman in question is being paid to make claims then you are entitled to be skeptical to a point but where does that suspicion come from?
 
Originally posted by Bee
The incident you are referring to after the 99 GF was the claim that the girl had consensual sex with a player, then later woke to find another player attempting to have sex with her. She claimed she recognised the player after seeing him in a team photo in the newspaper a couple of days later.

This new accusation is not the same one!

IF THAT IS TRUE, WOULD HAVE TO BE A ROO PLAYER AS NOT TOO MANY TEAM PHOTOS OF RUUNERS UP PUBLISHED IN NEWSPAPERS
 

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Originally posted by MarkT
No it isn't at all because the rape allegation is coming from the alleged victim whereas the payment are coming from people who made it up as a guess as to why the claim has been aired. If you know the woman in question is being paid to make claims then you are entitled to be skeptical to a point but where does that suspicion come from?

As you insinuated earlier, clubs will pay money to 'cover up' these sorts of actions, so given the allegation is over an act that occured 5 years ago, and is only coming to public attention now, you would have to be skeptical, in the current climate, that she is being payed (again) to 'come out'. If the allegation has perceivably hurt and traumatised her so much that she feels the need to go public with it, why not go public at the time?? Or a year later, or 2 years later?? As much as the player in question (if that comes to light) will be asked to answer the allegations, so should she be made to answer (legitimately) why it has taken so long to address it. And presumably, why she has not told police about it earlier. Because she was payed?? Yep? Then you would have to be skeptical about it.
 
Originally posted by Captain Blood
Weren't a couple of Port Power boys accused of rape a couple of years ago?

From what i heard about this incident three footballers and a girl went across the road of Heaven (nightclub) into the Park. She was then heard by a couple of cops, who investigated the noise. Dont know if she was r*ped. But if she was i would like to think that the cops would have charged them and thrown their arses in jail.

Why in the hell whould a person who has women throwing themselves at him need to rape a woman. Hope they get what they deserve. :mad:
 
Originally posted by Bee
The incident you are referring to after the 99 GF was the claim that the girl had consensual sex with a player, then later woke to find another player attempting to have sex with her. She claimed she recognised the player after seeing him in a team photo in the newspaper a couple of days later.

This new accusation is not the same one!
Brad Peirce & Culpit
 
Originally posted by Mark Rudd
It will be on SBS tonight. A girl making a claim she was allegedly r*ped by some AFL players.

From SBS talk of this show, the girl was an audience member in a panel discussion. She made the allegation that she was r*ped by a current AFL star player and his mates, apparently not AFL players, in a private room of a nightclub.
 
Originally posted by Ramma
As you insinuated earlier, clubs will pay money to 'cover up' these sorts of actions, so given the allegation is over an act that occured 5 years ago, and is only coming to public attention now, you would have to be skeptical, in the current climate, that she is being payed (again) to 'come out'. If the allegation has perceivably hurt and traumatised her so much that she feels the need to go public with it, why not go public at the time?? Or a year later, or 2 years later?? As much as the player in question (if that comes to light) will be asked to answer the allegations, so should she be made to answer (legitimately) why it has taken so long to address it. And presumably, why she has not told police about it earlier. Because she was payed?? Yep? Then you would have to be skeptical about it.

Rape is so serious an allegation that we should not be throwing the names of players around. Just about everyone agrees with that.

Equally, we shouldn't really be rubbishing the alleged victim by throwing doubt on her allegations. We have NO CLUE as to what actually happened in any of these cases. For years, part of the clubs' "management" of these sorts of pants problems has been to create doubt about the motives of the women involved. (And that's one reason we think that girls "always" make up these charges, for money or fame or out of hurt feelings or whatever.) We'd be wiser to just suspend judgment until we have any idea at all.

PS, funnily enough, the overwhelming majority of women in the world -- even the overwhelming majority of women who are football barrackers -- are not throwing themselves at footballers.
 
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AFL player rape claim
By Mike Sheahan
March 16, 2004

A WOMAN has implicated a current and prominent AFL player in an alleged pack rape.

The woman's claim will be aired on SBS's Insight program tonight.

The AFL player is alleged to have been part of a group of five who r*ped the woman a few years ago.

The claim will come during a forum on the issue of the sexual culture among players in clubs in Australia's major football codes.

The woman, whose identity will be protected, says she was r*ped, laughed at and threatened with a bashing to keep her quiet.

She did not go to the police.

She said she was befriended by a man who, after a few months, invited her to a popular venue, believed to be in Melbourne.

He allegedly suggested they leave a crowded area at the venue to move to a private room, where they were joined soon after by four others.

"One was a prominent AFL footballer that I'd obviously seen on the television and the other four - sorry, the other three - I recognised as friends of his (the man she knew), although I'd never met any of them before."

She said the AFL player's accomplices played football in the local league. She said she was r*ped by all the men despite her pleas.

The claim links the AFL with rugby league, which has been rocked by sexual assault allegations against several Canterbury Bulldogs' players and then two Melbourne Storm players.

Insight executive producer Mark Maley said from Sydney last night the AFL had declined an invitation to join a panel of 20 for tonight's discussion.

He said the purpose of the exercise was to determine whether there was an endemic problem within the football codes with attitudes towards women.

Herald Sun
 

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