Stats observations

[35Daicos]

Same 2008-2012. It'd be possible to make some ball park estimations for earlier years, using a guestimate for average game times.

Thanks for that. I saw a couple of names there (Shane Wakelin & Nathan Carroll) who I thought would have been gone by 2008, didn't bother to look them up, so guessed that it covered a few more years. And when I saw Carroll's name there I couldn't help but feel for any Melbourne fan who watched him spending 95.79% of possible game time on the ground!

 

[RogersResults]

The following years did not contain at least 1 100 point win.

1897
1898
1900
1903
1904
1905
1907
1908
1909
1910
1912
1913
1914
1915
1916
1917
1918
1920
1921
1922
1923
1924
1925
1928
1929
1935
1941
1952
1953
1954
1956
1957
1959
1962
1965
1973. (The most recent year to not have a 100 point win.)

Add:
1938: (Biggest win: Geelong 89 points v Nth Melbourne.
1968: (Biggest win: Essendon 85 points v Collingwood.

If you did this list by hand and eye - commendable effort.
If you used a machine it has a glitch.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Add:
1938: (Biggest win: Geelong 89 points v Nth Melbourne.
1968: (Biggest win: Essendon 85 points v Collingwood.

If you did this list by hand and eye - commendable effort.
If you used a machine it has a glitch.

By hand and eye, yes.

Never used any sort of software for statistics.

That stuff would drive my head in and I'd destroy the bloody thing.

 

[RogersResults]

The last time Geelong took the Wooden Spoon you had to finish 12th.
Currently that was 1212 matches ago for the Cats.

 

[RogersResults]

Observed in Round 17 2012

• One team's highest 1st quarter score this year.
• A record set by the 'Foreign Legion' in 1934 equalled.
• One team kick their highest 1st quarter score against the opponent they played this round.
• The lowest score ever conceded by one team.
• Only the 2nd team to score 5 goals 0 behinds in a first quarter and then 0 goals 1 behind in the second quarter.
• A team lose their 5th consecutive match for the first time since 2004.
• Two teams that have each won 51 each of the their last 104 matches against each other with 2 drawn.
• One team score the same score that they have scored in two of their last 3 matches against their opponent in this round.
• One team lose their 7th match in all 4 quarters this year.
  
  Details and more here

 

[McCrann]

Most minutes played 2008-2012 (give or take a few minutes) and possible minutes

13511          13847        Harry OBrien
12429          12648        Ben Rutten
12231          12839        Sam Fisher
12081          13528        Corey Enright
11950          12648        Michael Firrito
11948          13248        Travis Cloke
11894          12726        Sam Gilbert
11795          13357        Matthew Boyd
11785          13410        Jimmy Bartel
11708          13135        Martin Mattner

As a percent

98.27          12429        12648        Ben Rutten
97.58          13511        13847        Harry OBrien
96.95          10473        10803        Dale Morris
96.71          2181          2256        Luke Delaney
96.58          7317          7577        Brendan Fevola
96.50          10116        10483        Scott Thompson
96.36          9840          10211        Jonathan Brown
96.20          2323          2415        Shane Wakelin
95.83          5900          6157        Nathan Grima
95.79          1025          1070        Nathan Carroll

Sam Gilbert? wow, just WOW!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Some stats on Rising Star nominations. Figures are number of eligible players, eligible games, individual players nominated, % of eligible players nominated, total nominations (some players were nominated in two different seasons), % of eligible games for which nominations were received, number of eligible games per nomination:

Cb Ply  Gms PN  %PN Nm %GNm evry
--------------------------------
Ad  81  835 17 21.0 17 2.04 49.1
Br 101 1053 33 32.7 34 3.23 31.0
Ca  82  789 24 29.3 24 3.04 32.9
Co 109  983 29 26.6 29 2.95 33.9
Es  89  893 32 36.0 34 3.81 26.3
Fr  84  830 26 31.0 27 3.25 30.7
Ge  91  823 25 27.5 25 3.04 32.9
GC  31  294  5 16.1  5 1.70 58.8
GWS 30  175  5 16.7  5 2.86 35.0
Ha  86  830 30 34.9 30 3.61 27.7
Me  93  909 30 32.3 32 3.52 28.4
NM  83  762 21 25.3 21 2.76 36.3
PA  77  734 23 29.9 23 3.13 31.9
Ri 100 1136 28 28.0 29 2.55 39.2
St  80  780 20 25.0 20 2.56 39.0
Sy  88  895 19 21.6 19 2.12 47.1
WC  89  929 32 36.0 34 3.66 27.3
WB  80  824 26 32.5 26 3.16 31.7
Fi  25  223  6 24.0  6 2.69 37.2

 

[worbod]

There have been three instances of a team receiving a 100 point loss, yet going on to win a premiership later that season or the season after.

Carlton 1945, lost by 100 points to Essendon in round 3, premiers that season (148 days later).
Essendon 1992, lost by 160 points to Hawthorn in round 20, premiers next season (421 days later).
Geelong 2006, lost by 102 points to Collingwood in round 8, premiers next season (498 days later).

 

[Ron The Bear]

Three consecutive losses by under a kick:

Year  Rnds Cb 1 2 3
-------------------
1905  6- 8 Me 3 2 3
1923 10-12 Fi 1 4 5
1926  5- 7 NM 2 4 1
1967 16-18 WB 3 2 2
1969 13-15 Me 3 2 5
1980 14-16 Es 5 4 4
2012 16-18 Ri 2 4 4

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Three consecutive losses by under a kick:

Year  Rnds Cb 1 2 3
-------------------
1905  6- 8 Me 3 2 3
1923 10-12 Fi 1 4 5
1926  5- 7 NM 2 4 1
1967 16-18 WB 3 2 2
1969 13-15 Me 3 2 5
1980 14-16 Es 5 4 4
2012 16-18 Ri 2 4 4

That observation must've broken your heart Ronnie?

 

[Ron The Bear]

That observation must've broken your heart Ronnie?

No, the way we played broke my heart. The desire to assert ourselves over lesser opponents has disappeared.

 

[RogersResults]

Observed in Round 18 2012​

​

• Hawthorn set a new League record for consecutive wins over 40 points.
• Geelong 2012 still haven't done what every Geelong team since 1918 has done.
• Melbourne go over 8,000 points 'in the red' for the first time.
• Collingwood's lowest attendance in 60 seasons.
• Richmond's average losing margin is their lowest for any season where they lost 10 or more matches.
• Since moving to Sydney, the Swans have conceded just 2 more points than they have scored.
• The lowest 3/4 time score conceded by Fremantle.
• St Kilda break a record they set in 1925.
• West Coast equal a feat which has been the preserve of Essendon for over 60 years.
  
  Details and more here.

 

[*Paul*]

GWS poised to break St Kilda's 115 year old record of losing 22 qrts in a row - currently on 20.

 

[RogersResults]

GWS poised to break St Kilda's 115 year old record of losing 22 qrts in a row - currently on 20.

They are are a compendium of badness. (But Port Adelaide may defend St Kilda's record.)

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Matches played that were losses by at least 14 points each quarter 1897-2012 R18​

(There have been just 178 instances out of 14,112 matches.)​

 

[Roobs321]

Purely speculation at this point, but for West Coast;

Gaff win B&F, Darling win leading goalkicker.
Both in their 2nd season and were 19 at start of season (both turned 20 in mid-june)
Playing in a finals team.

When was the last time a finals-bound team had younger players win club B&F AND Lead Goalkicker in the same season?

WCE themselves had Guy McKenna (19 start of season) and Sumich (21) achieve this in 1989.
Essendon had James Hird (21) and Cummings (20) achieve this in 1994.
Ward (22) and Jeremy Cameron could also post a low total.

However the above sides didnt make finals, unlike West Coast 2012.

 

[RogersResults]

To R18 2012, 24.18% of scores have had fewer than 20 scoring shots.
This is the lowest percentage since 30.36% in 1967.

Number of scores with fewer than
20 scoring shots. (74 total).

 

[Ron The Bear]

Greatest combined losing margins for a sequence of six consecutive losses (with starting points):

Pts Year Rd  Cb   1   2   3   4   5   6
---------------------------------------
668 2012 13  GWS 78  94 162 119  95 120
560 2012 12  GWS 12  78  94 162 119  95
547 1993  3  Sy  38  86  93 124  44 162
534 1993  4  Sy  86  93 124  44 162  25
530 2012 10  GWS 65  12  78  94 162 119
518 1899 12  St  33  39 117  98  70 161
513 1984 20* St  55  38  57 110 140 113
507 1992  6  Br  60 164  74  42 108  59
497 1984 21* St  38  57 110 140 113  39
494 1995 14  Fi  67  81  71  97  52 126
491 1901 14* St  67  72 102 128  54  68
491 1996 17  Fi  99  15  53  87 151  86
479 1911 13  St  58  38 114 125  87  57
477 1993  5  Sy  93 124  44 162  25  29
477 2012  9  GWS 66  65  12  78  94 162
472 2011 16  St  56  21  32 138 165  60
468 1995 15  Fi  81  71  97  52 126  41
467 1995 13  Fi  99  67  81  71  97  52
462 1930 11  NM  35  75  82 128  47  95
462 1996  9  Fi 105  70  63  31 127  66
459 1911 12  St  37  58  38 114 125  87
450 1930 15* NM  47  95  15  73  52 168

* sequence extended into the following season

The AFL wouldn't renege on its decree that no club can qualify for a priority pick this season. Would they?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Similar to the above, but including all 28,124 six-match sequences to date, with wins (in red) subtracted from the total:

Pts Year Rd  Cb   1   2   3   4   5   6
---------------------------------------
668 2012 13  GWS 78  94 162 119  95 120
560 2012 12  GWS 12  78  94 162 119  95
547 1993  3  Sy  38  86  93 124  44 162
534 1993  4  Sy  86  93 124  44 162  25
530 2012 10  GWS 65  12  78  94 162 119
518 1899 12  St  33  39 117  98  70 161
513 1984 20* St  55  38  57 110 140 113
507 1992  6  Br  60 164  74  42 108  59
497 1984 21* St  38  57 110 140 113  39
494 1995 14  Fi  67  81  71  97  52 126
491 1901 14* St  67  72 102 128  54  68
491 1996 17  Fi  99  15  53  87 151  86
484 1899 13* St  39 117  98  70 161   1
479 1911 13  St  58  38 114 125  87  57
477 1899 14* St 117  98  70 161   1  32
477 1993  5  Sy  93 124  44 162  25  29
477 2012  9  GWS 66  65  12  78  94 162
472 2011 16  St  56  21  32 138 165  60
468 1995 15  Fi  81  71  97  52 126  41
467 1995 13  Fi  99  67  81  71  97  52
462 1930 11  NM  35  75  82 128  47  95
462 1996  9  Fi 105  70  63  31 127  66
459 1911 12  St  37  58  38 114 125  87
455 1984 22* St  57 110 140 113  39   4
450 1930 15* NM  47  95  15  73  52 168

Note that St.Kilda actually lost the opening round game in 1900, which appears twice on the list, on the scoreboard by one point, but were later awarded the win - the club's first in the VFL - after it was found that Geelong had fielded an ineligible player.

 

[RogersResults]

Similar to the above, but including all 28,124 six-match sequences to date, with wins (in red) subtracted from the total:

Pts Year Rd  Cb  1  2  3  4  5  6
---------------------------------------
668 2012 13  GWS 78  94 162 119  95 120
560 2012 12  GWS 12  78  94 162 119  95
547 1993  3  Sy  38  86  93 124  44 162
534 1993  4  Sy  86  93 124  44 162  25
530 2012 10  GWS 65  12  78  94 162 119
518 1899 12  St  33  39 117  98  70 161
513 1984 20* St  55  38  57 110 140 113
507 1992  6  Br  60 164  74  42 108  59
497 1984 21* St  38  57 110 140 113  39
494 1995 14  Fi  67  81  71  97  52 126
491 1901 14* St  67  72 102 128  54  68
491 1996 17  Fi  99  15  53  87 151  86
484 1899 13* St  39 117  98  70 161  1
479 1911 13  St  58  38 114 125  87  57
477 1899 14* St 117  98  70 161  1  32
477 1993  5  Sy  93 124  44 162  25  29
477 2012  9  GWS 66  65  12  78  94 162
472 2011 16  St  56  21  32 138 165  60
468 1995 15  Fi  81  71  97  52 126  41
467 1995 13  Fi  99  67  81  71  97  52
462 1930 11  NM  35  75  82 128  47  95
462 1996  9  Fi 105  70  63  31 127  66
459 1911 12  St  37  58  38 114 125  87
455 1984 22* St  57 110 140 113  39  4
450 1930 15* NM  47  95  15  73  52 168

Note that St.Kilda actually lost the opening round game in 1900, which appears twice on the list, on the scoreboard by one point, but were later awarded the win - the club's first in the VFL - after it was found that Geelong had fielded an ineligible player.

Great stats but the history got a little fuzzy.

St Kilda's round 1 1900 match v Melbourne originally ended in a draw. However St Kilda successfully protested that one of Melbourne's behinds was scored after the bell in the third quarter. Melbourne had 1 point deducted from their 3/4 time score. St Kilda therefore won the match by 1 point - their first win in the competition.

In 1909 St Kilda in their match against Geelong fielded a player who had been suspended the previous week by the Ballarat League. St Kilda officials before the match, unsure about the player's eligibility informed Geelong secretary, Charles Brownlow of the situation. Brownlow told them that if they allowed the player on the field they did so at their own risk.
St Kilda duly played him and won the match by 1 point. Geelong protested to the League and St Kilda forfeited the match but the score stood. It remains the only match forfeited in the League's history. Below is how how I tell my database that although St Kilda has the higher score the match is a Geelong win and a St Kilda loss.

If(Game Date=Date(6;5;1909 ) and Team = "Geelong";1;
If(Game Date=Date(6;5;1909 ) and Team = "St Kilda";0;
If(GetAsNumber(Result)>0;1;0)))

Meanwhile the Giants are ahead of Fitzroy 1996 by 213 points in the competition for the greatest points deficit for a season. Third placed St Kilda 1899 has now bowed out, having no more matches left to play in the 1899 season.

After 17 matches:
2012 GWS -1304
1996 Fitzroy -1091
1899 St Kilda -1068

 

[Ron The Bear]

Great stats but the history got a little fuzzy.

St Kilda's round 1 1900 match v Melbourne originally ended in a draw. However St Kilda successfully protested that one of Melbourne's behinds was scored after the bell in the third quarter. Melbourne had 1 point deducted from their 3/4 time score. St Kilda therefore won the match by 1 point - their first win in the competition.

In 1909 St Kilda in their match against Geelong fielded a player who had been suspended the previous week by the Ballarat League. St Kilda officials before the match, unsure about the player's eligibility informed Geelong secretary, Charles Brownlow of the situation. Brownlow told them that if they allowed the player on the field they did so at their own risk.
St Kilda duly played him and won the match by 1 point. Geelong protested to the League and St Kilda forfeited the match but the score stood. It remains the only match forfeited in the League's history. Below is how how I tell my database that although St Kilda has the higher score the match is a Geelong win and a St Kilda loss.

Bugger, I've got those two mixed up before. My excuse is that 100 years is a long time ago and I was very young back then.

 

[*Paul*]

St Kilda forfeited the match but the score stood.

In my eyes, a silly thing. I just let the result stand with the competition points forfeited.

 

[RogersResults]

In my eyes, a silly thing. I just let the result stand with the competition points forfeited.

The League and the press at the time and the League and other sources since have counted the match as a Geelong win and a St Kilda loss. Ladders published in 1909 and since reflect this, as do tables of total team wins for Geelong and St kilda, overall and head to head. No consideration seems ever to have been given to a special category of 'forfeit' so that St Kilda's record of wins, losses and draws would be presented currently as:
Played 2235 Wins 874, losses 1336, forfeits 1, draws 25.

A synonym for forfeit is "lose". You can't forfeit something and still have it. Counting the R6 1909 match as a St Kilda win and a St Kilda forfeit makes no sense. St Kilda lost their status as winner of the match as well as the match points. Therefore St Kilda had two wins for 1909, not three. Their one point advantage on the scoreboard in the match against Geelong was over-ridden by dint of having played an ineligible player. I've seen no reports that there was consideration of nullifying St Kilda's score as well to correct any perceived anomaly.

As for Geelong, one of antonyms for forfeit is "win" or "gain". Counting a match forfeited to them as a win seems sensible. To add the match to Geelong's tally of losses does not. After the successful appeal against the result of the match, they gained a win, giving them three wins for 1909 not two.

 

[*Paul*]

St Kilda won the match, Geelong got the competition points. Winning whilst scoring fewer points requires some handwaving which I elected not to adopt.

Curiously, in the NRL and its ancestors, where this sort of thing has happened a number of times, the aggrieved party doesn't even get the points, none are given.

 

[RogersResults]

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Teams' matches with the first quarter won by 6 goals or more.​

Last 20 seasons - 1993-2012 R18​

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Teams' matches with the first quarter lost by 6 goals or more.​

Last 20 seasons - 1993-2012 R18.​

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The 2010 Preliminary Final was the only first quarter lost by Geelong by 6 goals or more in their last 523 matches. The previous being round 14, 1990 - 0.2-2 v Hawthorn 7.4-46.​

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Before 1993 Collingwood had only lost 6 first quarters (out of 1,932) by 6 goals or more.​

 

[RogersResults]

In matches other than at Kardinia Park 1941, 1944-2012 R18 Geelong have scored under 50 points in 43 matches and conceded under 50 points in 43 matches.

At Kardinia Park 1941, 1944-2012 R18 Geelong have scored under 50 points in 22 matches and conceded under 50 points in 85 matches.