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frenchfri12 said:
Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney, Adelaide and GWS won't lose another game for the rest of the season. Why don't you come back in three weeks when exactly what I typed has happened, and explain it then?
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I hesitated, especially since frenchfri12 is currently suspended, but I couldn't resist actually coming back three weeks later to say those five teams won 12 / 15. For the latter four, I wrote "Much more likely that a couple of them get dropped along the way" and they did lose two of twelve. Hawthorn finished slap bang in the middle ground between 1st and 5th.

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There's that old saying never argue with someone (with a particular quality), as they will drag you down and beat you with experience.

Sorry to say Red and Black, but with Essendon gaining the spoon this season, Geelong now with it's 58th season since 1958 now holds the longest time since winning this rather ignominious trophy.
 

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Does anyone know (or know where to find out) if the Brisbane Lions created some sort of record with the least amount of quarters won this year?

We finished on 17, which seems extraordinarily low - Essendon were the next worse on 25. It doesn't seem like a stat that has typically been kept until recently at least.
 
Last of the Roys said:
Does anyone know (or know where to find out) if the Brisbane Lions created some sort of record with the least amount of quarters won this year?

We finished on 17, which seems extraordinarily low - Essendon were the next worse on 25. It doesn't seem like a stat that has typically been kept until recently at least.
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It's certainly one of the worst efforts in recent years, though GWS in 2012 'topped' it with just 13 quarters won. It's Brisbane's lowest number of quarters won, next comes 21 in 2014. It's the 9th worst year of all time, in terms of the percentage of quarters won.

Lowest 10 All-Time Quarters Won
St Kilda 3 (out of 56) 1897
St Kilda 9 (68) 1899
St Kilda 10 (68) 1900
St Kilda 11 (68) 1901
University 12 (72) 1914
Melbourne 12 (64) 1919
St Kilda 12 (40) 1943
GWS 13 (88) 2012
Fitzroy 14 (88) 1996
St Kilda 14 (68) 1898
St Kilda 14 (68) 1902

Lowest 10 All-Time Quarters Won as a % of Quarters Played
St Kilda 5.36% 1897
St Kilda 13.24% 1899
St Kilda 14.71% 1900
GWS 14.77% 2012
Fitzroy 15.91% 1996
St Kilda 16.18% 1901
University 16.67% 1914
Melbourne 18.75% 1919
Brisbane 19.32% 2016
GWS 20.45% 2013

Lowest 5 Quarters Won - 1980-2016
GWS 13 (88) 2012
Fitzroy 14 (88) 1996
Brisbane 17 (88) 2016
GWS 18 (88) 2013
Melbourne 20 (88) 2013

Edit:- RogersResults covers the topic of quarters won/lost etc. (1897-2015) very well here:-
http://www.users.on.net/~rogersresults/Rogers_Results/Tables/Quarters.htm
 
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35Daicos said:
It's certainly one of the worst efforts in recent years, though GWS in 2012 'topped' it with just 13 quarters won. It's Brisbane's lowest number of quarters won, next comes 21 in 2014. It's the 9th worst year of all time, in terms of the percentage of quarters won.

Lowest 10 All-Time Quarters Won
St Kilda 3 (out of 56) 1897
St Kilda 9 (68) 1899
St Kilda 10 (68) 1900
St Kilda 11 (68) 1901
University 12 (72) 1914
Melbourne 12 (64) 1919
St Kilda 12 (40) 1943
GWS 13 (88) 2012
Fitzroy 14 (88) 1996
St Kilda 14 (68) 1898
St Kilda 14 (68) 1902

Lowest 10 All-Time Quarters Won as a % of Quarters Played
St Kilda 5.36% 1897
St Kilda 13.24% 1899
St Kilda 14.71% 1900
GWS 14.77% 2012
Fitzroy 15.91% 1996
St Kilda 16.18% 1901
University 16.67% 1914
Melbourne 18.75% 1919
Brisbane 19.32% 2016
GWS 20.45% 2013

Lowest 5 Quarters Won - 1980-2016
GWS 13 (88) 2012
Fitzroy 14 (88) 1996
Brisbane 17 (88) 2016
GWS 18 (88) 2013
Melbourne 20 (88) 2013

Edit:- RogersResults covers the topic of quarters won/lost etc. (1897-2015) very well here:-
http://www.users.on.net/~rogersresults/Rogers_Results/Tables/Quarters.htm
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Thanks mate, that is some great information - I was struggling to find anything.
 
Anyone know the youngest ever team to play a final? Would also be interested in least experienced team to play a final in terms of games played?

Thanks
 
Coca Carlisle said:
Anyone know the youngest ever team to play a final? Would also be interested in least experienced team to play a final in terms of games played?

Thanks
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Avg Age|Club|Year|Rd|R|Opp|Gms|Avg Gms
\22.04|WB|1961|PF|W|Me|871|43.55
\22.06|WB|1961|GF|L|Ha|891|44.55
\22.07|WB|1961|SF|W|St|876|43.80
\22.23|Ge|1955|SF|W|Es|1000|50.00
\22.24|Co|1951|SF|L|Ge|946|47.30
\22.39|Ge|1955|PF|L|Co|1028|51.40
\22.53|Co|1966|SF|W|St|956|47.80
\22.56|WB|1953|SF|W|Es|871|43.55
\22.58|Es|1959|GF|L|Me|1125|56.25
\22.60|Co|1960|SF|W|Es|926|46.30
\22.63|Me|1963|PF|L|Ha|1041|52.05
\22.63|Ge|1956|SF|L|WB|1137|56.85
\22.64|Co|1960|PF|W|Fi|946|47.30
\22.66|Es|1959|SF|W|Co|987|49.35
\22.69|Me|1897|RR|L|Es|252|12.60
For comparison, the youngest team of 2016 was Brisbane's R17 team at 22.99. Least experienced - Gold Coast R23, 1235 gms.

Games played is a bit like records for low scoring - dominated by the early VFL years. The 17 finals teams with the least combined games played were from the period 1897-99, and the first 78 were from no later than 1931. Leaving out pre-WW2 instances, except where noted:

Rank|Gms|Club|Year|Rd|R|Opp|Avg Age|Avg Gms|Comment
\1|212|Me|1897|RR|L|Co|22.94|10.60
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\18|559|Ri|1927|SF|W|Ca|24.15|31.06|first outside 1897-99 period
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\=79|871|WB|1953|SF|W|Es|22.56|43.55|first post-WW2
\=79|871|WB|1961|PF|W|Me|22.04|43.55|
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\83|876|WB|1961|SF|W|St|22.07|43.80|
\...|||||||||
\87|887|WC|1988|EF|L|Me|24.62|44.35|second year in AFL
\=88|891|WB|1961|GF|L|Ha|22.06|44.55
\...|||||||||
\=93|902|Ri|1943|SF|L|Es|24.71|47.47|
\...|||||||||
\95|903|Ge|1962|SF|L|Es|22.92|45.15|
\96|905|Me|1987|EF|W|NM|23.45|45.25|
\...|||||||||
\99|914|Ge|1963|SF|W|Ha|23.43|45.70|
\...|||||||||
\103|926|Co|1960|SF|W|Es|22.60|46.30|
\104|928|WC|1990|SF|W|Me|23.86|46.40|
\...|||||||||
\=110|945|WB|1953|PF|L|Ge|22.86|47.25|
Whilst I don't normally like using 1990 as a line of demarcation...

Gms|Club|Year|Rd|R|Opp|Avg Age|Avg Gms
\928|WC|1990|SF|W|Me|23.86|46.40
\981|WC|1990|PF|L|Es|24.15|49.05
\993|WC|1990|QF|D|Co|24.34|49.65
\999|Ad|1993|EF|W|Ha|24.69|49.95
\1025|Ad|1993|SF|L|Ca|24.89|51.25
\1082|Ad|1993|PF|L|Es|24.88|54.10
\1083|WC|1990|QF|L|Co|24.64|54.15
\1140|WC|1991|QF|L|Ha|23.59|57.00
\1204|WC|1991|PF|W|Ge|24.04|60.20
\1210|WC|1991|SF|W|Me|23.80|60.50
\1278|WC|1991|GF|L|Ha|23.95|63.90
\1372|Me|1990|SF|L|WC|24.04|68.60
\1397|Me|1990|EF|W|Ha|23.93|69.85
\1431|Es|1993|SF|W|WC|24.02|71.55
\1432|WB|1994|SF|L|Me|23.56|68.19
\1458|WB|1995|QF|L|Ge|23.75|69.43
\1467|Me|1991|SF|L|WC|24.50|73.35
\1473|Ad|1997|PF|W|WB|24.60|70.14
\1476|Me|1991|EF|W|Es|24.69|73.80
\1489|Ge|1994|SF|W|Ca|24.69|70.90
\1509|WC|1992|SF|W|Ge|24.62|75.45
\1513|Ad|1997|GF|W|St|24.78|72.05
\1530|Ge|1995|QF|W|WB|24.39|72.86
\1534|Ad|1997|QF|W|WC|24.83|73.05
\1535|Ad|1997|SF|W|Ge|24.85|73.10
\1536|WC|1992|EF|W|Ha|24.40|76.80
\1574|WC|1992|GF|W|Ge|24.45|78.70
\1575|PA|1999|QF|L|NM|24.13|71.59
\1576|Ge|1992|SF|L|WC|24.70|78.80
\1579|Fr|2003|EF|L|Es|23.45|71.77
 
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Hamingja said:
Matthew Wright led Carlton's goal kicking with 22 for the year.

Where does that rank over the last 20 years or so? There's been some bad teams around in that time but it just seems so paltry.
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Lowest post-WW1:

Gls|Year|Player|Club|Gms
\12|1919|James, Jack N.|St|13
\13|1920|James, Jack N.|St|15
\15|1919|Walsh, Dave|Es|14
\15|1919|Haines, George|Me|14
\16|1963|Bisset, George|WB|12
\||Hobbs, Merv|WB|14
\17|1921|McDonald, Frank|Es|10
\18|1923|Fraser, Don J. B.|Ri|9
\18|1937|Anderson, Stewart|NM|11
\18|1964|Nankervis, Ian D.|Ca|15
\19|1919|Martini, Percy|Ge|15
\19|1921|Cazaly, Roy|Sy|16
\19|1953|Coghlan, Kevin|Ha|15
\19|1958|Heathcote, John|Ca|16
\19|1972|Doolan, Vin|NM|19
\||Kekovich, Sam|NM|11
\20|1925|Woodford, Les|Ha|13
\20|1952|Duffy, Roger|WB|18
\20|1966|Vagg, Barrie|Me|16
\20|2011|Stanley, Danny|GC|22
\20|2014|Dawes, Chris|Me|18
\21|1942|Kelly, Frank James|St|12
\21|1945|Hall, Jim|St|13
\||Snell, Sam|St|19
\21|1950|Anderson, Gordon|Ha|14
\21|1960|Wilkinson, Graeme|Ri|18
\21|1962|Clark, Wally|Fi|16
\21|1989|Campbell, Adrian|WB|14
\22|1953|Branton, Ron|Ri|17
\22|1954|Bromage, Keith|Co|15
\22|1956|Hamilton, Kevan|Ca|11
\22|1996|Mellington, Anthony|Fi|18
\22|2016|Wright, Matthew|Ca|22
\23|1920|Utting, Ern|Co|12
\23|1920|Harker, Harry|Me|9
\23|1922|Moyes, Harry|St|11
\23|1927|Tyson, Charlie|NM|16
\23|1935|Lewis, Johnny Francis|NM|15
\23|1951|Linton junior, Alby|WB|15
\||Sutton, Charlie|WB|18
\23|1964|Dean, Roger|Ri|18
\23|2016|Walker, Josh|Br|16
\||Zorko, Dayne|Br|20
\24|1924|Tulloh, Percy|Me|16
\24|1927|Shelton, Jack F.|St|10
\24|1928|Nolan, Clarrie|NM|17
\24|1955|McDonald, Jack|St|10
\24|1964|Bisset, George|WB|16
\||Whitten senior, Ted|WB|15
\24|1965|Hobbs, Merv|WB|18
\24|1966|Gallagher, Adrian|Ca|18
\24|2010|Monfries, Angus|Es|17
 
Anybody know where I can find goal source statistics?

I often see team goals split into stoppages, turnovers and free kicks during matches but can't find any of those stats online.
 

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In beating the Bulldogs in Round 23, Fremantle won 4 games for the year by a combined total of 199 points (79, 83, 17, 20).

How does Fremantle's season average winning margin of (almost) 50 points compare with:

- all teams?
- teams not making finals?
- teams winning 4 or less games?
 
iluvparis said:
In the Leppa sacked thread people were talking about most games coached without a flag. Assume this list has been posted before but I assume the top contenders are Ross and maybe Eade?
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Just on Roos. On Open Mike Sheehan said Roos had to wait 440 games to win a flag. I assume that was as a player and coach so Roos was around 70 games after he started coaching?

But would 440 be the player/Coach record? Eade has flags at Hawks etc.
 
GreyCrow said:
Just on Roos. On Open Mike Sheehan said Roos had to wait 440 games to win a flag. I assume that was as a player and coach so Roos was around 70 games after he started coaching?

But would 440 be the player/Coach record? Eade has flags at Hawks etc.
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Surely - Bernie Quinlan was the only other that came to the top of my head but only coached 19 games
 
Using the above list

R Eade 358 Premierships with Hawthorn as a player- no record.
J Northey 315 Premierships with Richmond
B Rose 282 Played in the 1953 Premiership side
B Stephen 258 Bill played 162 games with Fitzroy and coached them in 3 separate stints . Also Essendon . 420 games without flag.
T Wallace 247 Won Premierships with Hawthorn
R Lyon 240 129 games as a player with no flags Ross is currently on 369 games without a flag.

Paul Roos played 356 games and won a flag in 2005 after starting coaching in 2002. Going by Sheehans comment Roos waited 440 games.

Bill Stephens holds the record without a flag, Paul Roos would hold the record wait for a flag.
 
Hi Stats people. Morabito unfortunate career at Freo came to an end this week. He played 26 games in the 6 years he was listed with the club, but only 3 since 2010 (i.e. 2011-16 seasons).

I was wondering what is the lowest average number of games played for a player in 6 years and over a 5 year period. e.g. Morabito could only get on the park for 3 games while on the list for the last 5 years, averaging 0.6 games a season over a 5 year period. Is that the lowest ever?

Taking the career overall might be easier, in his case it's an avg. 4.33 games a season. For a player who's been on a list for more than say 4 years, that would be fairly low too. Where would he sit in that regard. (I can think of another injury prone player in Gumbleton who was on a list (Essendon and Freo) for 8 years for 35 games, making it 4.38)

Finally, with the above, I'd be interested in the AFL era, I suspect in the 'good old days' teams had players listed that hardly ever played that were on there for convenience or some such.

Thanks for any help.
 
PapaJ said:
Hi Stats people. Morabito unfortunate career at Freo came to an end this week. He played 26 games in the 6 years he was listed with the club, but only 3 since 2010 (i.e. 2011-16 seasons).

I was wondering what is the lowest average number of games played for a player in 6 years and over a 5 year period. e.g. Morabito could only get on the park for 3 games while on the list for the last 5 years, averaging 0.5 games a season over a 5 year period. Is that the lowest ever?

Taking the career overall might be easier, in his case it's an avg. 4.33 games a season. For a player who's been on a list for more than say 4 years, that would be fairly low too. Where would he sit in that regard. (I can think of another injury prone player in Gumbleton who was on a list (Essendon and Freo) for 8 years for 35 games, making it 4.38)

Finally, with the above, I'd be interested in the AFL era, I suspect in the 'good old days' teams had players listed that hardly ever played that were on there for convenience or some such.

Thanks for any help.
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Ryan O'Sullivan (Carlton) springs to mind

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The Swert said:
Anybody know where I can find goal source statistics?

I often see team goals split into stoppages, turnovers and free kicks during matches but can't find any of those stats online.
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The only way to do this online would be to have a digital subscription for The Age and check their match reports on the digital edition online. They put a little graphic that breaks down goals from stoppages, turnovers and kick-ins. The Age used to supply a breakdown of goals from marks, free kicks and general play in their stats but haven't done so now for a few years.
 
GreyCrow said:
Using the above list

R Eade 358 Premierships with Hawthorn as a player- no record.
J Northey 315 Premierships with Richmond
B Rose 282 Played in the 1953 Premiership side
B Stephen 258 Bill played 162 games with Fitzroy and coached them in 3 separate stints . Also Essendon . 420 games without flag.
T Wallace 247 Won Premierships with Hawthorn
R Lyon 240 129 games as a player with no flags Ross is currently on 369 games without a flag.

Paul Roos played 356 games and won a flag in 2005 after starting coaching in 2002. Going by Sheehans comment Roos waited 440 games.

Bill Stephens holds the record without a flag, Paul Roos would hold the record wait for a flag.
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Bill Stephen was playing coach at Fitzroy from 1955-57, so it seems a bit harsh to give him 2 games (1 as a player, 1 as a coach) for these 48 games. I have Bill Stephen on 372 games played and/or coached without a premiership.

My records show that Nathan Buckley now heads the list of total games played and/or coached without a premiership:

- 394 Nathan Buckley (280 games as a player with Brisbane and Collingwood, 114 games as a coach with Collingwood)
- 385 Bernie Quinlan (366 games as a player with Footscray and Fitzroy, 19 games as a coach with Fitzroy)
- 383 Robert Harvey (383 games as a player with St.Kilda)
- 372 Bill Stephen (114 games as a player only with Fitzroy, 48 games as a playing coach with Fitzroy, 210 games as a coach only with Fitzroy and Essendon)
- 369 Ross Lyon (129 games as a player with Fitzroy and Brisbane, 240 games as a coach with St.Kilda and Fremantle)
- 364 Brad Johnson (364 games as a player with Western Bulldogs)
- 353 Matthew Pavlich (353 games as a player with Fremantle)
- 350 Doug Hawkins (350 games as a player with Footscray and Fitzroy)
- 341 Chris Grant (341 games as a player with Western Bulldogs)
- 333 Kevin Murray (299 games as a player only with Fitzroy, 34 games as a playing coach with Fitzroy)

One record Bill Stephen does hold is most games coached without a Grand Final appearance. The leaders on this list are:

- 258 Bill Stephen (Fitzroy and Essendon)
- 247 Terry Wallace (Western Bulldogs and Richmond)
- 177 Neil Craig (Adelaide and Melbourne)
- 174 Jack Hale (South Melbourne and Hawthorn)
- 157 Brad Scott (North Melbourne)
- 157 Damien Hardwick (Richmond)
 
North park said:
Bill Stephen was playing coach at Fitzroy from 1955-57, so it seems a bit harsh to give him 2 games (1 as a player, 1 as a coach) for these 48 games. I have Bill Stephen on 372 games played and/or coached without a premiership.
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Thank you. It was only a quick look at wiki. Appreciate the clarification.
 
3 Different Finals venues will be used by the AFL this year in Sydney (ANZ, Showgrounds & SCG).

Obviously this is the first time this has happened in Sydney, has it ever? happened in Melbourne?

I'm guessing perhaps in war-time or in 1897 or 1924 I suppose.

It would have been at least several decades though.
 
McCrann said:
3 Different Finals venues will be used by the AFL this year in Sydney (ANZ, Showgrounds & SCG).

Obviously this is the first time this has happened in Sydney, has it ever? happened in Melbourne?

I'm guessing perhaps in war-time or in 1897 or 1924 I suppose.

It would have been at least several decades though.
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Aha. It was 1924 the last time this happened.

In addition, the last time this happened when two teams played off for a Premiership was in fact 1901 (115 years).

Essendon's Wooden Spoon was not the longest drought broken this season by any stretch.
 

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