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UpForGrabs said:
In its simplest form, you could.

Obviously there's other factors to take into account such as OOF kicks, position of where the kicks were taken from etc. But since that data isn't readily available, and also considering that OOF is a relatively recent introduction to the game, goals as a proportion of scoring shots is a good start.
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Definitely a higher percentage of behinds the further you go back. But there is the Loch Ness monster of determining accuracy; the "rushed" behind. Not defined in the laws of game, not historically recorded in goal umpire's reports and only relatively recently recorded in the media and by club and external stats collectors. Nor is it clear-cut what a "rushed" behind is and how it has been defined in different eras.

Looking at total behinds without knowing how they were scored and the further you go back, no way of knowing, the figures for the AFL using this formula (goals *100) / goals+behinds) are:

2003-2012: 53.28%
1993-2002: 53.34%
1983-1992: 52.02%
1973-1982: 50.24%
1963-1972: 48.21%
1953-1962: 45.83%
1943-1952: 46.99%
1933-1942: 48.16%
1923-1932: 45.97%
1913-1922: 43.37%
1903-1912: 41.87%
1897-1902: 39.30%

Percentage of scores with more goals than behinds:
(lower scoring tends to increase the percentage.)

2003-2012: 58.12%
1993-2002: 58.33%
1983-1992: 53.81%
1973-1982: 47.86%
1963-1972: 39.13%
1953-1962: 30.60%
1943-1952: 34.33%
1933-1942: 40.02%
1923-1932: 29.77%
1913-1922: 22.02%
1903-1912: 21.48%
1897-1902: 17.51%

Percentage of scores with 1.5 times as many goals as behinds.
(lower scoring tends to increase the percentage.)

2003-2012: 26.87%
1993-2002: 27.28%
1983-1992: 22.12%
1973-1982: 17.45%
1963-1972: 14.32%
1953-1962: 10.53%
1943-1952: 12.37%
1933-1942: 14.15%
1923-1932: 10.98%
1913-1922: 6.82%
1903-1912: 8.98%
1897-1902: 9.06%

Besides kicking skills there are factors such as playing tactics, rule changes, weather conditions, ground maintenance and the relatively recent innovation of having more than one ball for a match.
 

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Port_Adelaide said:
Which players spent the longest time on a list without playing a game and also before making their debut?
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IIRC Paddy Steinfort (Rich) spent 1997-2001 without a game whereas Toby Thurstans (on Port Adelaide's list in 1999) waited until 2003 to make his debut.

Clark Keating (Brisbane) was on the Bears' list in 1992 and stayed there until making his debut in 1996.

Simon Eastaugh's an interesting case.

He was drafted by Richmond in 1989 and stayed there until 1995 without a game played.

Played 29 games for Essendon and Fremantle later on.
 
if collingwood win tomorrow, either them or adelaide will be on top of the ladder, most likel with the 5th best percantage in the competition??

would that be the lowest the ladder leading team has ever been on the "percantage ladder"??

and likewise coming into this round the swans were 4th on the ladder but on top of the percantage ladder. were does that rank in the lowest ladder positions for the highest percantages?? i reckon there'd be a fair few lower...
 
Black Thunder said:
if collingwood win tomorrow, either them or adelaide will be on top of the ladder, most likel with the 5th best percantage in the competition??

would that be the lowest the ladder leading team has ever been on the "percantage ladder"??

and likewise coming into this round the swans were 4th on the ladder but on top of the percantage ladder. were does that rank in the lowest ladder positions for the highest percantages?? i reckon there'd be a fair few lower...
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1997 R13 - 8 of the other 15 teams had a higher percentage than the ladder-leading Western Bulldogs
1969 R7 & 8 - 7 of 11 had higher percentages than Hawthorn
1997 R12 - 7 of 15 again higher than the Dogs
1965 R9 - 6 of 11 higher than Melbourne (one week prior to Norm Smith's sacking)
- another 7 ladder leaders had the 6th highest percentage

1972 R10 - Collingwood 132.33%, 7th of 12
1996 R11 - West Coast 132.88%, 7th of 16
These 7 teams were 6th on the ladder with the highest percentage:
1945 R13 Fitzroy 129.48; 1972 R11 Collingwood 135.12, 1981 R11 North Melbourne 128.99; 1982 R4 Geelong 148.37; 1985 R5 Carlton 128.60; 1998 R21 Adelaide 122.83; 2007 R6 Geelong 148.15
- plus 24 5th-placed teams
 
cheers rtb,

how many teams have gone through the season without losing 2 consecutive games?? have any of those failed to win the competition??
 
Don't know if this has been asked before but anyway...

I have noticed that there are quite a few doubleups on two players having the same First Name/Last Name combo. Is 2012 the season with the most of these? (with the possibility that there might have been the same number last year too)
 
Black Thunder said:
cheers rtb,

how many teams have gone through the season without losing 2 consecutive games?? have any of those failed to win the competition??
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Just for starters: Bold = Premiers (won the competition). Includes finals. Draws not counted as "losses".
Collingwood 2011,1979,1977,1966,1955,1952,1939,1935,1932,1929, 1928,1927,1919,1918,1917, 1909, 1903, 1902.

More to to come one of the others beavers doesn't beat me to it.
 
SJ said:
Geelong 2008. :(
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On a brighter note for you, Collingwood 2011 is another one to do this.

Hawthorn in 1984 is another.
 
Teams that have gone through the season without consecutive losses.

Bold = Premiers.
Includes finals. Draws not counted as "losses".
Matches sequenced by date not round number.

Adelaide: Never
Brisbane: 2002
Carlton:1907, 1908, 1911,1914, 1915, 1922,1927, 1929, 1930, 1933, 1935, 1944,1947,1972, 1979, 1981,1982, 1986, 1987
Collingwood: 1902, 1903,. 1909, 1917, 1918, 1919, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1939, 1952, 1955, 1966, 1977, 1979, 2011,
Essendon: 1897, 1908, 1923, 1924, 1941, 1942, 1946, 1950, 1962, 1964, 1968, 1984, 1985, 1990, 2000
Fitzroy: 1899, 1900, 1904, 1913,1915, 1920, 1943
Fremantle: 2003
Geelong: 1910, 1925, 1926, 1927, 1931, 1937, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1995, 2008, 2010.
Gold Coast: Never
GWS: Never
Hawthorn: 1964, 1971, 1984, 1988, 1989, 2011
Melbourne: 1925, 1926, 1928, 1939, 1940, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1963, 1964
Nth Melbourne: 1996
Port Adelaide: Never
Richmond: 1921, 1927, 1928, 1929,1931, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1943, 1967, 1974, 1980, 1982, 1998
St Kilda: 1963, 1965
Sydney/SM: 1913, 1918, 1935, 1936, 1942, 1945
University: Never
WB/Footscray: 1938, 1953, 1962
West Coast: 1992, 1994
 

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Black Thunder said:
shit i didn't think it would be near that many. cheers guys
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You'll note that the majority come from the days of every team having their own exclusive home ground that in most fixtures, they played on every alternate match. Also with a few exceptions no interstate travelling.
Geelong in 1952 only lost two matches - one at Princes Park v Carlton followed by a night game in Brisbane v Essendon.
 
What are the most games two teams have played against each other before a draw occurred?

What are the most games two teams have played against each other in between draws, or after having played one draw but as yet a second draw has not occurred?
(Just curious how many 100 game streaks have been achieved with the above stats)
 
worbod said:
What are the most games two teams have played against each other before a draw occurred?

What are the most games two teams have played against each other in between draws, or after having played one draw but as yet a second draw has not occurred?
(Just curious how many 100 game streaks have been achieved with the above stats)
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Geelong and Sydney/SM have never played a draw in 211 matches. Next most is Geelong and St Kilda - no draws in 207 matches.

The others over 100 can be found here: (Start with Carlton) Look for "Matches between a draw' for each opponent, noting that teams that have never drawn currently don't have the number* of matches - Hawthorn have 5 opponents that they have played 150 or more matches against but have never drawn.)

*They may have been added in by the time you get there.
 
worbod said:
What are the most games two teams have played against each other before a draw occurred?

What are the most games two teams have played against each other in between draws, or after having played one draw but as yet a second draw has not occurred?
(Just curious how many 100 game streaks have been achieved with the above stats)
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No draws:

Code: 
211 Ge Sy
207 Ge St
166 Ri Fi
158 Ca Ha
155 Ha Me
153 Co Ha
153 Es Ha
150 Ha Ri
148 Ca NM
145 NM Sy

Match number of first draw:

Code: 
187 Es Sy
177 Co St
168 Me Sy
146 NM Sy
129 Ha WB
121 Co WB
120 Sy WB
119 Ri St
109 Co Sy
107 Ca Ri

Most games between draws:

Code: 
169 Ge Me 1st & 2nd
130 Ca Es 2nd & 3rd
114 Ha NM 1st & 2nd
113 Ha St 1st & 2nd
109 Ri WB 1st & 2nd
107 Ca Ge 1st & 2nd
102 Me Fi 1st & 2nd
 99 Ca Me 1st & 2nd
 95 Co Me 4th & 5th
 95 St Sy 1st & 2nd

Games since last draw:

Code: 
177 Co Ri 1
153 Me St 1
147 Me WB 1
140 Co Ge 1
132 Ge Fi 1
130 Ri Sy 1
113 NM Fi 1
110 Es Me 2
108 Co Sy 1
102 Ca Me 2
102 Me Ri 2

Apologies, started compiling just before RR posted.
 
A bit of an obscure one, but I've noticed that Brisbane have scored exactly 6.1 - 37 in each of their opening quarters in their last 3 games (vs Hawks, Bulldogs & Melbourne). Got me thinking, what is the longest run of same score quarters in consecutive matches?
 
angus BEEF said:
A bit of an obscure one, but I've noticed that Brisbane have scored exactly 6.1 - 37 in each of their opening quarters in their last 3 games (vs Hawks, Bulldogs & Melbourne). Got me thinking, what is the longest run of same score quarters in consecutive matches?
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There have been 25 instances of teams scoring the same goal and behind tally in 3 consecutive first quarters and 2 of four consecutive identical first quarter goal and behind tallies.

Rounds 9,10,11 and 12 1905, Melbourne scored 2.2 in each first quarter.
Rounds 1,2,3 and 4 1976, Richmond scored 3.4 in each first quarter.

Other quarters later.
 
There have been 30 instances of teams scoring the same goal and behind tally in 3 consecutive second quarters and 1 of four consecutive identical 2nd quarter goal and behind tallies.

Round 18 1932, Semi-final 1932, Round 1 and 2 1933, Sydney/SM scored 4.6 in each second quarter.

There have been 26 instances of teams scoring the same goal and behind tally in 3 consecutive third quarters but none of four consecutive identical 3rd quarter goal and behind tallies.

Most recent: Rounds 8,9,10 2009, St Kilda scored 3.3 in each 3rd quarter.
In 1911 St Kilda scored 0.1 in the 3rd quarter of rounds 6,7,8 then in rounds 13,14,15 scored 1.2 in each 3rd quarter.

There have been 25 instances of teams scoring the same goal and behind tally in 3 consecutive last quarters and one of four consecutive identical last quarter goal and behind tallies.

Essendon started their League career by scoring 1.1 in their first 4 last quarters - rounds 1,2,3,4 1897.
 
OK, here's one for the boffins (I always try and stump you).

There's been a number of players who have kicked 100 goals in a season without kicking 10+ in a match during that same season.

So... my question is what is the most amount of goals scored in a season where someone has scored no more than the following in any one game:

1 goal
2 goals
3 goals
etc...
 
Code: 
Mx Gls Year Player              Cb Ma
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18  97 1947 Fanning, Fred       Me 16
17 145 1992 Dunstall, Jason     Ha 23
16 124 1929 Coventry, Gordon    Co 20
15 150 1934 Pratt, Bob          Sy 21
14 124 1993 Ablett senior, Gary Ge 17
13 146 1970 Hudson, Peter       Ha 22
12 150 1971 Hudson, Peter       Ha 24
11 138 1989 Dunstall, Jason     Ha 24
10 132 1988 Dunstall, Jason     Ha 23
 9 122 1995 Ablett senior, Gary Ge 22
 8 103 1974 Wade, Doug          NM 24
   103 1982 Blight, Malcolm     NM 20
 7  97 1990 Daicos, Peter       Co 25
 6  79 1983 Matthews, Leigh     Ha 22
 5  67 2007 Mooney, Cameron     Ge 25
    67 2009 Franklin, Lance     Ha 21
 4  58 1982 Bartlett, Kevin     Ri 23
 3  42 1961 Whitten senior, Ted WB 20
 2  25 1980 Floyd, Tom          Ge 22
 1  14 1975 Jackson, Syd J.     Ca 22
    14 2005 Buchanan, Amon      Sy 26
 0   0 1973 McKellar, Craig     Ri 26
     0 1992 McGrath, Tim        Ge 26
     0 2005 Barry, Leo          Sy 26
     0 2010 Blake, Jason        St 26

And before someone asks, the least:

Code: 
Mn Gls Year Player              Cb Ma
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18  97 1947 Fanning, Fred       Me 16
17 118 1930 Coventry, Gordon    Co 21
16  98 1969 McKenna, Peter      Co 19
15 108 1933 Coventry, Gordon    Co 17
14  38 1919 Robertson, Harold   Sy 16
13  56 1925 Davie, Harry        Me 19
    47*2012 Franklin, Lance     Ha 13
12  20 1966 McKenna, Peter      Co  6
11  16 1899 McShane, Jim        Ge 17
10  14 1940 Albiston, Alec      Ha  4
 9  10 1978 Frazer, John        Fi  5
 8   8 1972 Hudson, Peter       Ha  1
     8 1973 Hudson, Peter       Ha  1
 7   8 1945 Dimble, Murray      Es  8
     8 1969 Thompson, Ian       NM  2
     8 1988 Roach, Michael      Ri  3
     8 1990 O'Brien, Cameron    Br  5
 6   6 1934 De Luca, Alby       Ca 15
     6 1945 Ware, Norm          WB  1
     6 1970 Williams, Gary      Sy  4
     6 1982 McGlashan, Dave     Me  3
 5   5      24 players
 4   4      45 players
 3   3      273 players
 2   2      1,123 players
 1   1      6,204 players
 0   0      15,505 players
 

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