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blockerhall

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Not trolling, just outraged at some of this stuff, even if we say sour grapes, too much smoke here. Today's west, I note with interest that Duffield's co-byline has disappeared in the past few hours.

Eagles in drug binges: player's ex-girlfriend

By Ben Martin

SEVERAL West Coast Eagles players regularly indulged in drug binges, according to the former girlfriend of an Eagles player.

They snorted powder drugs such as amphetamines and also used ecstasy, according to the woman, who cannot be named.

In some cases, players would party all night without sleeping, relying on amphetamines to keep them awake.

Drugs were part of the Eagles' high life, which included fame, money, lucrative sponsorship deals and women, she said.

She claimed another woman linked to a high-profile Eagle discussed the players' drug use with her as though it was normal.

The woman, who approached The West Australian over allegations that Eagles had been linked to drug dealers, said her former boyfriend also regularly used cannabis.

But he was influenced by several prominent Eagles to take harder drugs. He tried to hide his drug use because he was aware that his reputation was the key to his financial success.

She saw him under the influence of drugs on several occasions and he admitted to her that he had used amphetamines but warned her not to tell anyone.

The player would use the drugs only in the off-season because it could affect his performance, the woman said. The player also mentioned that a teammate had links to violent underworld figures.

The West Australian yesterday reported that players had been seen socialising with police organised crime targets, including bikies.

AFL boss Wayne Jackson said players should avoid socialising with criminals.

"Just as I'd feel disappointed if my own daughters were socialising with known criminals," he said. "It's absolutely crazy and irresponsible for anybody in society, and particularly in sport, to be doing that."

The AFL was not naive enough to think players would never take drugs. "Our players are fit, they're young, they're impressionable," he said.

While Eagles officials prepared to confront the players about the allegations, Eagles coach John Worsfold said he could not tell his players to end their association with organised crime targets.

It was not his business who his players associated with and he would not get involved in their personal affairs, he said. There was nothing illegal about having a cup of coffee with a criminal.

"I feel for players who have to wear insinuations but I'm not disappointed at all because I can't see that they've done anything wrong," Worsfold said. "I have control of when they're playing footy and in terms of preparing themselves to play footy.

"Really, if our players are playing good footy and training and preparing themselves properly I'm happy. I don't know if they do associate with (criminal) people. It's got nothing to do with me."

My points:

1. "...But he was influenced by several prominent Eagles to take harder drugs."

If true, truly disgraceful. Save your club NOW, gentlemen.

2. Worsfold ...weak as p***. Has he got a grip? Didn't he win two premierships or something for that club...what's it called again? It's got EVERYTHING to do with you, mate.
 
Big deal. All goes to the 'culture' of the club, and really, who would be prepared to say it didn't involve current players?

If these allegations are true, name them, disgrace them, make an example of them. I'd say the same for any Docker player, or anyone else high in the public profile, for that matter.
 

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On 1: you qualified that with "if true". An unnamed ex-girlfirend of a player? Geez, it must be true!

On 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Worsfold was commenting on the Kizon allegation, not any drugs issues. In that context, what's he going to do - vet who the players can be mates with? Or who they come into contact with?
 
Originally posted by carneagles
On 1: you qualified that with "if true". An unnamed ex-girlfirend of a player? Geez, it must be true!

On 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Worsfold was commenting on the Kizon allegation, not any drugs issues. In that context, what's he going to do - vet who the players can be mates with? Or who they come into contact with?

1) Might as well have been "my uncle's friends neighbour used to go to primary with an eagle". How can that persons statement have any credibility?

2) Absolutely right. Being friends with a criminal does not make you one.
 
I'll say the same thing i said at the start of this whole business. show me a shred of conclusive proof, and i'll expect the club to come down on any players like a ton of bricks... However its just so much rumor and innuendo right now
 
Look, I agree. I am not naive enough to believe everything I read in the press and particularly on the internet, and sure the source is easy to brush aside, but c'mon, I'm sure you're getting corroborating reports as we speak. I said if true, and prefaced it with the sour grapes statement, AND noted the Duffield retreat. Just the same, IF it is true, how do you feel about your football club? It isn't mine and I am outraged. I am West Australian.

On Worsfold, I also agree that it is in reference to gangstas, but it isn't good enough by a long shot. I'm not in the game of guilt by association, either, but it is what he doesn't say that is the problem. Worsfold is an identifiable leader, nay, even a rallying point for the Eagles, and these qualities should be coming through.
 
I've just been speaking to an ex-girlfriend of a certain West Australian journalist, and she tells me that he is really lousy in the sack and likes to dress up in womens clothing in his spare time.

I can't name my source, and I don't actually have any real proof at the moment, but jeeze, it sounds true to me.
She could also just be stirring up trouble because she was dumped by the particular individual, but what the hell, I'll print it anyway.

Journalism is fun.
 
Originally posted by blockerhall
Look, I agree. I am not naive enough to believe everything I read in the press and particularly on the internet, and sure the source is easy to brush aside, but c'mon, I'm sure you're getting corroborating reports as we speak. I said if true, and prefaced it with the sour grapes statement, AND noted the Duffield retreat. Just the same, IF it is true, how do you feel about your football club? It isn't mine and I am outraged. I am West Australian.
If it's true, then it's unacceptable. But I've yet to see any substantiation or corroboration whatsoever, beyond some vague allegations by unnamed people about unnamed players, and some implied guilt by association. So I'm withholding judgment, and I'd like to hope that others will do the same
On Worsfold, I also agree that it is in reference to gangstas, but it isn't good enough by a long shot. I'm not in the game of guilt by association, either, but it is what he doesn't say that is the problem. Worsfold is an identifiable leader, nay, even a rallying point for the Eagles, and these qualities should be coming through.
Actually, the biggest problem here for mine is that the drugs and "prominent identity" issues are being blurred together. I've yet to see Woosha questioned about drugs - once again, I stand to be corrected on this. I'd be surprised if he made a comment like the above about his players taking drugs
 
Originally posted by blockerhall
IF it is true, how do you feel about your football club?
It's a stupid question.

How would you feel if it was the Dockers, how would any supporter feel if it was their club?
Obviously we'd be pi$$ed off. And if any senior player had convinced a young bloke to take drugs, than he should be sacked immediately

But at the moment it's all hypothetical.

Originally posted by blockerhall
Worsfold is an identifiable leader, nay, even a rallying point for the Eagles, and these qualities should be coming through.
They are.

He's sticking up for the integrity of his players, while making it clear that he would never approve of any sort of drug taking.

What else would you have him do?
 
If this was my team I don't know which I would be more upset about 1) the alleged drug taking or 2) the actual association with Colourul Perth identities.

These guys are serious business.
 
Buzz

1. It isn't a 'stupid question', (do you honestly think I didn't know the answer- can we spell r-h-e-t-o-r-i-c-a-l?) I am worried about the form of any possible fallout should the hard drug stories contain ANY substance or truth. Anyway, your response is my response.

2. 'Integrity of his players' ... I'm sorry, we have to call that into question while this is unresolved. There is NO reference to his stance on drug taking in his quoted statement. Unfortunately everyone is tarred with the same brush in the Eagles camp at the moment, and if there is some integrity to be shown, IF THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN THE MATTER, it is to come forward and fall on their sword. Of course, I realise that you can't confess to something that you didn't do, but the jury is out on that one.

3. I think you will find that your story won't make it to print, funny as it is. I'm guessing they didn't rush this girl's claims to print without considering the implications of publishing lies, hearsay and sour grapes. As we know, THIS IS SERIOUS.


I agree with carneagles, as I AM reserving my judgement. But I want maximum measures taken to ensure that these claims are treated seriosly by all and sundry, and taken to their natural conclusion. In the meantime,these claims are damaging our great game and our great state, and your once great club.

But not as much as if it gets covered up.
 
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
I've just been speaking to an ex-girlfriend of a certain West Australian journalist, and she tells me that he is really lousy in the sack and likes to dress up in womens clothing in his spare time.

I can't name my source, and I don't actually have any real proof at the moment, but jeeze, it sounds true to me.
She could also just be stirring up trouble because she was dumped by the particular individual, but what the hell, I'll print it anyway.

Journalism is fun.

hey, I know her!
 

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Originally posted by blockerhall
'Integrity of his players' ... I'm sorry, we have to call that into question while this is unresolved.
That's nonsense.
What if the issue is never resolved?

Do we continue to question the integrity of the entire squad?

Innocent until proven guilty, Blocker.

Originally posted by blockerhall
IF THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN THE MATTER, it is to come forward and fall on their sword.
I'll let you answer that one:

"Of course, I realise that you can't confess to something that you didn't do."

Thankyou, you answered your own question.
If it does turn out that someone was taking drugs, and they didn't come forward, then I'll consider him a coward.
But at the moment we don't know if anyone has done anything.

Originally posted by blockerhall
I'm guessing they didn't rush this girl's claims to print without considering the implications of publishing lies, hearsay and sour grapes. As we know, THIS IS SERIOUS.
Ahh but that's the beuty of the article. No one is named, no one can sue.

And you'd be surprised what an ex-girlfriend with a grudge is capable of.
 
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz

Ahh but that's the beuty of the article. No one is named, no one can sue.

With the article mentioning the West Coast F.C... wouldn't they have a decent case for libel (if that is the word used for companies as well as people) for publishing false information of a most defamatory nature about persons that represent them as an entity and is thus damaging to them?
 
Well not really. The paper is not in itself making these claims, the gf is... Its always a gray area, and for most newspapers its simply a matter of mathematics- the number of papers they sell though printing false stuff is greater than the amount of money spent on legal fees
 
Originally posted by Mead
Well not really. The paper is not in itself making these claims, the gf is... Its always a gray area, and for most newspapers its simply a matter of mathematics- the number of papers they sell though printing false stuff is greater than the amount of money spent on legal fees

The more I read the article, it definately smacks of sour grapes from this ex woman........after all, her reputation is in tatters.
 
West Australian

Was listening to 6PR - ex-editor of "The West" in Paul Murray was very scathing of the article by Martin about the allegations from an ex-girlfriend. Paul Murray said basically that the newspaper stating the girlfriend could not be named was rubbish - if she had factual evidence and The West believed it,then they SHOULD have named her to lend credibility to the story. Obviously another manufactured rumour.
The easiest thing in the world is to start rumours.I could go to a nightclub and spread rumours about anyone - and these things grow and grow.
On the Footy Show last night,Eddie said "crime figures" have always been associated with high profile sportsmen.When he was a young journalist in the 80's he said all nightclubs were full of footballers.models and "crime figures".A storm in a teacup in my opinion.I agree with Woosha - he is not going to tell his players who they should have a coffee with.
I notice that the so called story about the players being caught in a phone tap has disappeared from the pages - after the Police Commissioner said there is no evidence of such a thing!!

Earlier in the week,we had another example of the great media standards in this town. A story about how MM is trying to entice Wirra to Collingwood- because they talk on the phone.Wirra's manager had to go on radio and TV to refute it,Mick had to go on TV to refute it - all because the two are friends and talk on the phone to each other.When Wirra came to the Eagles he was 16 - and considers Mick a sort of father figure to him.

I am fed up with the media in Perth.My daughter was going to study journalism when she entered Uni - thank goodness she has changed her mind and is planning to enter a field where there is a higher moral standard.

It seems the media here don't plan to let the truth get in the way of a good story.
 
Vicki, you have summed it up beautifully.

I was going to post something about that whole Mick Malthouse/David Wirrpunda story, but I realised that everyone here would have realised what an absolute load of crap it was.
Next they'll be saying Mick's been poaching Glen Jakovich. After all those two still chat to each other on the phone. :rolleyes:
 
O.K. Blocker, let`s play pretends for a bit (c`mon, it may be fun).
Let`s say that YOU are the coach of my besieged club, your course of action to prove that you DEFINATELY have a handle on it would be????

I agree with Woosher by the way, what right has he to dictate with whom the players may associate?
 
Vicki,

Don't think I've seen you post before, so welcome

Your comment on what McGuire said fits in with the prevailing situation re footballers and "identities", especially in Perth. Mooner's comments were also interesting - I was never impressed with the West under Murray, but I don't think anyone could have expected it to go downhill so badly since he left

Maybe if Robert Holmes &#225 Court hadn't dropped off the twig and had actually started his Perth daily, we could have seen a real shake-up in the local media
 
Earlier today, a wise woman pointed out ..."the old adage that you`re known by the company you keep is very appropriate in this instance I think."

Look, I'm not referring to woosha determining who the eagles can play with at morning recess (trying to inject humour, not be facetious), I'm talking about him being heard saying "...Proof of hard drugs...down the road son!"- as mentioned elsewhere within these hallowed posts. No messing around.

For what it is worth, down the track, such associations and allegations can:

1. affect sponsorship and revenue as WCE lose a clean, family-orientated image (refer current TV advertising for membership)

2. deter potential draft choices (not that they get a whole lot of choice, but their family can make it difficult) from venturing west or staying in the west.

You may laugh and think it a long bow, even pull out a St Kilda comparison on point 2, but I think it seriously has to be a consideration.

I hope that some of this makes sense, and that my Fremantle allegiance does not prevent some of you from recognising this perspective as having a kernel of truth.
 
Both very good points, I think Woosha was just trying to sweep the whole affair under the carpet. Basically not say anything that would allow the Sunday Crimes to print headlines like WOOSHA TO SACK SENIOR PLAYERS or something like that.

All I can say is, thank goodness for Wayne Carey :cool:
 
If you go to the WCE site and read Trevor Nisbett's statement, it finishes with something about how there will be no further statement from WCE players and staff about the issue

Don't thank Wayne yet - as I drove to get the Friday night pizza they were playing an ad on the radio for this week's Sunday Times, featuring "further revelations" from an "insider" about alleged Eagles indiscretions

So here we go again
 

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