Sudan crisis - does anyone care?

[Mofra]

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Hunger in Sudan is a grave concern. Learn more about the Sudan crisis and our efforts to support vulnerable children and families in Sudan.

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The world's biggest humanitarian crisis right now isn't Ukraine or Palestine, it's Sudan.

People are eating only one meal of fava beans a day. 400k+ in a tent city. 13 million displaced people and rebels on a city fridge about to be let loose on a civilian population far from the media eye.

What will it take for the world to take notice?
Will there be any public appeals for help as we've seen in other parts of the world that face an impending human tragedy?

 

[Chief]

God. The population looks similar in size to Australia's. Half of them are displaced and starving.

 

[Mofra]

It seems without pictures, the world doesn't care.
Fortunately there are at least a few aid agencies trying to assist but it's very difficult.

 

[Zidane98]

Absolutely heartbreaking. Deserves much more attention.

 

[Rob R]

Sudan crisis: Facts, FAQs, and how to help

Hunger in Sudan is a grave concern. Learn more about the Sudan crisis and our efforts to support vulnerable children and families in Sudan.

www.worldvision.org

The world's biggest humanitarian crisis right now isn't Ukraine or Palestine, it's Sudan.

People are eating only one meal of fava beans a day. 400k+ in a tent city. 13 million displaced people and rebels on a city fridge about to be let loose on a civilian population far from the media eye.

What will it take for the world to take notice?
Will there be any public appeals for help as we've seen in other parts of the world that face an impending human tragedy?

People don't care because:
1) People are struggling (in their minds)themselves so interest in helping others is low.
2) No media coverage unlike Palestine
3) Perceived to be largely self inflicted - civil war split country and now having another civil war.

Needs more aid and for the foreigners (UAE, Iran, Russia in particular) to stop encouraging the war.

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[Cooldude]

There will be many more starvation events in the next 30-50 years due to climate change and decreased food supplies

We won't hear much about those either because media won't let you know.

Expect the world population to dramatically decrease in the next 50-70 years

 

[Jello_B]

Sad.
Israel is a western backed country that is committing genocide.
Russia and Ukraine is west v Russia.
Sudan is local warlords v local warlords.
West has no direct involvement so probably in the too hard basket.

 

[treeebeard]

Our media owners are a particular type of people, so they decide what's important, for us to see. They think the only important angle is when it erupts as gang violence in Melton.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Sudan crisis: Facts, FAQs, and how to help

Hunger in Sudan is a grave concern. Learn more about the Sudan crisis and our efforts to support vulnerable children and families in Sudan.

www.worldvision.org

The world's biggest humanitarian crisis right now isn't Ukraine or Palestine, it's Sudan.

People are eating only one meal of fava beans a day. 400k+ in a tent city. 13 million displaced people and rebels on a city fridge about to be let loose on a civilian population far from the media eye.

What will it take for the world to take notice?
Will there be any public appeals for help as we've seen in other parts of the world that face an impending human tragedy?

This conflict is between two pretty repugnant entities: an army that stole power from a civilian government and committed mass rapes, and a militia that goes around trying to commit genocide and also committed mass rapes. No matter who wins, ordinary people will suffer. But if nobody wins, the conflict drags on and people suffer even more.

Beyond charity and encouraging peace talks, what should the West do? Intervene? They're probably rather gun-shy from Iraq and Afghanistan. I suppose they could pressure the UAE to stop backing the rebels.

Another pretty ugly conflict that the Western media takes no notice of is the civil war in Myanmar, though that doesn't seem quite as bad the one in Sudan.

 

[Tasmaniac2]

No Israeli involvement.

No care.

 

[Andre]

Israel / Gaza, the Middle East always draws eyeballs due to oil, even if it's not directly involved in this conflict. It risks a wider war with Israel and Iran that could wreck the world economy. Plus there's plenty to get people riled up. There's either defending Israel, as they were attacked by terrorists and/or supporting Palestinians, despite the initial attacks launched by them. Throw in that there is a strong anti-Sematic strain amongst many of those against Israel and it guarantees eyeballs.

Russia v. Ukraine is an existential fight for whether the 21st century ends with Democracy or Autocracy as the default mode of government. If Russia isn't stopped they'll be next into Moldova, expand their presence in Georgia, they've their eye on several 'allies' in the CSTO and would love to test NATO by going after the Baltic states whilst Trump is in Power. Russia win and Xi is emboldened to invade Taiwan, Kim to take on South Korea, as they see a weak and divided West that won't stand up. Nations will rush to go Nuclear as they don't trust the US nuclear umbrella or see it as the means to then attack their neighbours without fear of Western push-back. It's the most consequential war in decades, potentially since the Second World War.

The Sudan war doesn't have global implications, in either the short or long term. Whether it ended today or in 5 years time, it's not going to affect our living standards. It doesn't have a clear side to 'barrack for'. It's harsh, but in the modern 24x7 world, people want an a clear 'side' to back. Civil wars are messy, with too many shades of grey for a quick story. The biggest one though is 'the other'. Australia is majority European descent population, with also significant Jewish and Muslim populations. For better or worse Palestine is largely identified as a 'Muslim vs. Jew' issue, whilst Russia v. Ukraine, besides having implications for us, is set on the continent the majority of Australian's can trace back to. There's no issue with the Sudan war that brings in those outside the diaspora as having a vested direct interest like the other two major wars going on at the moment.

 

[Saint]

Israel / Gaza, the Middle East always draws eyeballs due to oil, even if it's not directly involved in this conflict. It risks a wider war with Israel and Iran that could wreck the world economy. Plus there's plenty to get people riled up. There's either defending Israel, as they were attacked by terrorists and/or supporting Palestinians, despite the initial attacks launched by them. Throw in that there is a strong anti-Sematic strain amongst many of those against Israel and it guarantees eyeballs.

Russia v. Ukraine is an existential fight for whether the 21st century ends with Democracy or Autocracy as the default mode of government. If Russia isn't stopped they'll be next into Moldova, expand their presence in Georgia, they've their eye on several 'allies' in the CSTO and would love to test NATO by going after the Baltic states whilst Trump is in Power. Russia win and Xi is emboldened to invade Taiwan, Kim to take on South Korea, as they see a weak and divided West that won't stand up. Nations will rush to go Nuclear as they don't trust the US nuclear umbrella or see it as the means to then attack their neighbours without fear of Western push-back. It's the most consequential war in decades, potentially since the Second World War.

The Sudan war doesn't have global implications, in either the short or long term. Whether it ended today or in 5 years time, it's not going to affect our living standards. It doesn't have a clear side to 'barrack for'. It's harsh, but in the modern 24x7 world, people want an a clear 'side' to back. Civil wars are messy, with too many shades of grey for a quick story. The biggest one though is 'the other'. Australia is majority European descent population, with also significant Jewish and Muslim populations. For better or worse Palestine is largely identified as a 'Muslim vs. Jew' issue, whilst Russia v. Ukraine, besides having implications for us, is set on the continent the majority of Australian's can trace back to. There's no issue with the Sudan war that brings in those outside the diaspora as having a vested direct interest like the other two major wars going on at the moment.

Not too dis-similar to the Syrian Civil War. Both sides committing atrocities and promising to do the same if they win control of the country. The West doesn't want to align with any of them.

Like a lot of African conflicts, they're not done with a lot of modern western weaponry which can be traced (and therefore cut off, protested and embargoed), but often 3rd or 4th-hand weapons from some previous conflict and basic ammunition. But the numbers of people and vastness are staggering.

There's not a big diaspora in Australia invested in this conflict. Many of the Sudanese in Australia are actually from South Sudan (which has its own internal strife, but not outright war atm), refugees of when the Sudanese regime used to oppress the south (along with many other parts).

And yes, the nature of the conflict is that if you're capturing images or video of it, you're probably about to die yourself. These are remote areas with little communication or transport. The first hand reports which come out are pretty shocking, but run-of-the-mill in Africa.

 

[faible]

Not too dis-similar to the Syrian Civil War. Both sides committing atrocities and promising to do the same if they win control of the country. The West doesn't want to align with any of them.

Like a lot of African conflicts, they're not done with a lot of modern western weaponry which can be traced (and therefore cut off, protested and embargoed), but often 3rd or 4th-hand weapons from some previous conflict and basic ammunition. But the numbers of people and vastness are staggering.

There's not a big diaspora in Australia invested in this conflict. Many of the Sudanese in Australia are actually from South Sudan (which has its own internal strife, but not outright war atm), refugees of when the Sudanese regime used to oppress the south (along with many other parts).

And yes, the nature of the conflict is that if you're capturing images or video of it, you're probably about to die yourself. These are remote areas with little communication or transport. The first hand reports which come out are pretty shocking, but run-of-the-mill in Africa.

Our government also doesn't tend to fund or justify the violence in African countries.

It's no less tragic however.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Throw in that there is a strong anti-Sematic strain amongst many of those against Israel and it guarantees eyeballs.

Is there an anti-Arab racist strain amongst many of those against Palestine?

 

[Saint]

Is there an anti-Arab racist strain amongst many of those against Palestine?

It does look more like a Pro-whitey thing.

The west was on the side of South Sudan breaking away from the arab-dominated northern Sudan.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It does look more like a Pro-whitey thing.

That much is clear.

The west was on the side of South Sudan breaking away from the arab-dominated northern Sudan.

To be fair that was a result of the West drawing stupid colonial borders that put different groups with little in common in the same country. You could call it a rectification of Britain's tomfoolery.

 

[Rob R]

Is there an anti-Arab racist strain amongst many of those against Palestine?

Probably a bit anti Arab and a bit anti Palestine because for decades the only interaction the West had with Palestinians was through terrorist attacks (which in reality almost all Palestinians would condemn)

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[Mofra]

That much is clear.


To be fair that was a result of the West drawing stupid colonial borders that put different groups with little in common in the same country. You could call it a rectification of Britain's tomfoolery.

Absolutely - Rwanda's arbitrary borders certainly inflamed conflicts there, and the gluing together of 3 former Ottoman regions as 'leftovers' to become modern day Iraq was always a recipe for disaster.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Absolutely - Rwanda's arbitrary borders certainly inflamed conflicts there, and the gluing together of 3 former Ottoman regions as 'leftovers' to become modern day Iraq was always a recipe for disaster.

The odd thing about Rwanda, so far as I understand, is it's unified by language and was a pre-colonial kingdom. Much like the conflicts between religions and castes in India, the Hutu-Tutsi tensions always existed, they were just reinforced by the colonial power enough to turn it into a real powder keg once they exited. Iraq was indeed always a horrible chimaera of a state, though.

 

[Saint]

The odd thing about Rwanda, so far as I understand, is it's unified by language and was a pre-colonial kingdom. Much like the conflicts between religions and castes in India, the Hutu-Tutsi tensions always existed, they were just reinforced by the colonial power enough to turn it into a real powder keg once they exited. Iraq was indeed always a horrible chimaera of a state, though.

In most of Africa, the drawing of borders is difficult because the nomadic herding peoples have always moved around and through the stationary farming areas/people. The idea of separating people with lines drawn across the ground were perhaps always destined to failure, and an order based on lines in the ground is simply the wrong way to go about it. And colonialists imposing it on them exacerbated existing tensions.

Then the habit of picking a minority to rule (in partnership/suzerainty) to keep the majority in check further exacerbated it when they departed and left the minority in charge who almost always decided they need to continue to rule like colonialists. Or, if they decided to become populists, the colonialists interfered to protect their remaining landed interests - which they never gave up.