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Test Surely the Cummins/McDonald captain/coach setup is the worst in Australian Test history
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Are we doing any kind of debrief at the end of each day?
Our fields are dumb.
But our bowling - it's either straight on the pads, or it's short.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST BOWL LINE AND LENGTH OUTSIDE OFF?!
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need a broom to sweep through the team (Coaching and players) after this series
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Remember we scraped to the WTC final and got lucky India had Bhumrah and Pant out plus someone else from memory
Also not picking Ashwin was a mistake
Also not picking Ashwin was a mistake
Umm what?
This has been a terrible test for us but jesus we lost at home to bunch of indian rookies at home just few years ago and people are acting like this is a worse team, these issues with bowlers strugglng when counter attacked and batsmen with short stuff that was same shit that cost us series at home vs india its not new its just frustrating its still there.
the lack of ruthlessness when we get ahead isnt new either we rolled india for 36 yet they bossed the series from that point we had england on the ropes 4 years ago and we turned up for that 5th test looking hungover and acting like we were 4-0 up not 2-1 up, i dont know how they fix this stuff but its been an issue for a long time.
the lack of ruthlessness when we get ahead isnt new either we rolled india for 36 yet they bossed the series from that point we had england on the ropes 4 years ago and we turned up for that 5th test looking hungover and acting like we were 4-0 up not 2-1 up, i dont know how they fix this stuff but its been an issue for a long time.
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1/ We fairly comfortably topped the WTC table.
2/ Injuries are part of sport. We're currently trying to deal sans-Lyon.
3/ India's selection blunder has SFA to do with us.
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Yes we've had a poor test but considering we won the WTC a month ago and are winning an away Ashes series, it's a little bit of stretch to suggest this is the worst setup in Australian test history 
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Yes we've had a poor test but considering we won the WTC a month ago and are winning an away Ashes series, it's a little bit of stretch to suggest this is the worst setup in Australian test history
Just in the post- Waugh/Buchanan era, there have been some diabolical series’ or periods.
- Losing 3-0 in Sri Lanka where essentially a team of rookie batsmen, despite an incredible series from Starc which still doesn’t get the respect it deserves, tore Australia apart, often from pretty dire situations
- losing 2-1 at home to South Africa in a series where they chased down 400, and were 8-160 or something at Melbourne facing a huge deficit. Even in the dead rubber third test it took until 5 overs remaining on day five to salvage a win. In some respects you can look back at that and say it was a great effort to force what was an exceptional SA team to scrap so hard to win - but it was still an example of throwing away two tests Australia in theory had no right to lose.
- the home ashes loss 12 years ago was farcical. That England side had some good players, a couple of great players, but it wasn’t so good to extract the result it did
- drawing 1-1 in Bangladesh. At no stage of either test did Australia look a
‘Good’ side and it was only David Warner of all people on spinning decks under fourth innings pressure who made the loss respectable and who snared the win. For context, the West Indies won 2-0 and chased down a huge score in a canter a few years later led by two players in their first test series.
- 2(?) series in the UAE where Pakistan, homeless and led by a man closer to his pension than his provisional licence, bossed Australia from start to finish
- numerous series’ in India
- sandpaper gate. In my lifetime the last bastion of unconquered territory for Australia was away series’ in SA, who had almost ALWAYS been strong since readmission. It was such a proud record against a fierce opponent. And in the face of a side playing good cricket the mental fragility shown by saying ‘well their bowlers are swinging it a bit we need to cheat’ was a hell of a low point
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I'm right on board with your well written comments, but to me it's just the way we have played that has me screaming about the leadership setup. Why are we so devoid of bowling plans that our main tactics are having men back that give batters that aren't even set the easiest singles of all time, along with bowling short rubbish that we hope leads to a mishit?
2500+ Tests have been played in history, with the overwhelming evidence being that good line and length at off stump and just outside wins matches. Why not back our bowlers to win battles by using these as our main tactics, with the occasional reversion to something a bit funky as a way to change things up?
Looking though the 4th Test thread, I can count dozens (hundreds) of posts about our tactics, so my thoughts are seemingly not something that is out on a limb - if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck.
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You don't have to like our bowling but saying we don't have any plans is clearly wrong.
Deprive the top order batsmen of boundaries, leg theory has been applied on multiple occasions and bounce out the tail.
I didn't mind them through this series - wouldn't have been my first choice but we were mostly effective against the top order... But my main concern was not being able to adjust to the situation.
If the bouncer ploy didn't work (or look like working) to a lower end batsmen within ten or so balls, change it up.
Stokes and Crawley you need to keep it outside off - Stokes especially if hes teeing off.
Cummins is a long way from Taylor or Clarke tactically but this leadership group must be doing something very right because our results in the last two years have been the best since the golden era finished just after 06/07, with only that summer of Johnson (including subsequent South African tour) coming close. If we retain the urn (looking more and more likely) or win this series (still a good chance to happen) that will be another notch on the belt.
Deprive the top order batsmen of boundaries, leg theory has been applied on multiple occasions and bounce out the tail.
I didn't mind them through this series - wouldn't have been my first choice but we were mostly effective against the top order... But my main concern was not being able to adjust to the situation.
If the bouncer ploy didn't work (or look like working) to a lower end batsmen within ten or so balls, change it up.
Stokes and Crawley you need to keep it outside off - Stokes especially if hes teeing off.
Cummins is a long way from Taylor or Clarke tactically but this leadership group must be doing something very right because our results in the last two years have been the best since the golden era finished just after 06/07, with only that summer of Johnson (including subsequent South African tour) coming close. If we retain the urn (looking more and more likely) or win this series (still a good chance to happen) that will be another notch on the belt.
That is a very narrow reading of the history of test cricket.
Cummins a great player.
Smith should captain.
Time to transition the team.
New openers.
Blood some younger fast bowlers as well.
Smith should captain.
Time to transition the team.
New openers.
Blood some younger fast bowlers as well.
People have short memories.
Smith was criticised as captain just as much as Cummins, as was Paine. Ponting wasn’t seen as a great tactical captain either, as he wasn’t. Steve Waugh also wasn’t. The best in my time following have been Taylor and Clarke.
I do think we need a rethink of tactics, but they had largely worked until this test. Our batting was the issue in the 3rd test.
Taylor best captain I have seen.
Smith best option for now. Very combative, sharp, and his own performance thrives when skipper.
Head the next most likely after Smith.
And people hated Clarke because of the boat incident.
And heaps didn't like Mark Taylor because he was seen as too friendly with John Howard. He also stayed on too long.
If cricket is the national sport, hating the Australian captain comes a close second.
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maybe we can rub 2 braincells together and come up with some better tactics
And people hated Steve Waugh cos baggy green and warney and Ian Chappell didn’t like him.
Ponting was seen as a symbol for the ugly Australians and why we were disliked.
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I hated Clarke because of this ‘You weak c***s’: Sad truth behind dressing room dust-up that rocked Aussie cricket
He always seemed to value his celebrity status then wearing the baggy green always has a FIGJAM attitude
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To be fair Smith won us the game in India not Cummins who was long gone by then
Smith's legacy as a captain has somehow improved post-sandpaper, which is really impressive in itself. He was always accused of the same things in terms of defensive fields, overly-reactive play etc etc.
England got a hold of Pat on Thursday but up to that point, he's been perfectly fine for the first 3 games. He's also carried himself and represented the team remarkably well in what's been a particularly heated series.
The Ashes being secured will hopefully serve as a bit of a circuit breaker and they can move back towards the cricket that won them the first 2 tests and got them into a winning position in the 3rd.
I'm not sure if Cummins or McDonald is the problem when it comes to match day tactics.
What's the point of having a Coach if we are completely tactically inept, and incapable of adapting our tactics within a days play; little loan across a Test match?
