Surely we can teach people to read

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They have computers and calculators and audible books now

No real thought process/comprehension/focus/attention level is required these days

Sure kids can type and have digital/social media skills but they can't freely or creatively write due to their learning and limited language and vocabularies

Working with a lot of 18-25yo when I send emails you always get messages asking "what does (insert what may be considered an archaic noun verb or adjective) mean?" or comments "I never knew that word existed - i had to Google it" and you just shake your head.

What sort of skills does your work involve?
 
The generation above these people - Gen Y - are the first generation to be financially worse off than their parents.

I guess it's comforting to know that, for those of use who have jobs that can't be taken by a robot, the Gen Zs won't be smart enough to do our jobs.
 

Bookworms are born at Belmore South Public School, where team teaching and a focus on phonics have given children the gift of reading.
Principal Lurlene Mitchell uses data analysis and close teamwork to ensure no child falls through the cracks at the school in Sydney’s southwest, where nearly half the students live in the 25 per cent poorest of families.

“It’s our core business to provide the best opportunities for these children,’’ she said.

“Every student is known, valued and cared for.’’

At Belmore South, children are tested regularly so teachers know which students are struggling, and who needs a challenge.

This year, the school became one of the first in NSW to adopt the state government’s new kindergarten-to-year 2 curriculum, which focuses on explicit instruction and phonics-based instruction to teach children to read.

Teachers are given on-the-job training, and two deputy principals move between classrooms to offer extra support as “instructional leaders’’.

A data team helps teachers interpret test results and track students’ progress.

In classrooms, students are split into small groups for reading, based on ability.

Extra “Covid recovery’’ teachers are brought in to target the highest performing students, to ensure they stay on track, while English-as-second-language teachers devote their time to struggling readers.'
 

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There was a time when parents would read to their children and encourage them to read independently.

Now we expect schools to do everything. And in doing so they sacrifice the actually important subjects.
Reading is the key to everything else. The most time spent in class should involve reading for information, entertainment and enrichment. It should never be presented as a chore. Parents can contribute, if they can be bothered.
 
Reading is the key to everything else. The most time spent in class should involve reading for information, entertainment and enrichment. It should never be presented as a chore. Parents can contribute, if they can be bothered.

Yep. Reading from an early age helps literally everything.

But so many kids start school not knowing how to read and it just gets worse from there.
 
Yep. Reading from an early age helps literally everything.

But so many kids start school not knowing how to read and it just gets worse from there.
So it’s parenting that needs more attention? Personally, I think so. But parents are more time-poor than ever before, and many lack education themselves, so how to put it to them without “shaming”?
 
So it’s parenting that needs more attention? Personally, I think so. But parents are more time-poor than ever before, and many lack education themselves, so how to put it to them without “shaming”?

At an early age absolutely. It cant be the schools at fault if the kids have never touched a book when they first start school.

The problems which are the fault of schools is failing to detect this early and work out how to handle it, and the bigger problem, having 3,000 different requirements for teaching kids when the actual number they need to learn is a fraction of this. So much school time is wasted. Its why we continue to fall behind on international standards, as do other countries which are doing the same thing.

Amazingly, countries which focus on teaching and learning fundamentals do better.
 
Incidental parent-teaching takes no time - signs, labels, birthday cards, recognising your own name, so much can be picked up without effort. It's as if people think producing the child, feeding and clothing it, is all that they need to do.

Reading to them for 15 minutes every night when they go to bed. Until they are old enough to read by themselves for 15 minutes.

Problem is when the parents also struggle to read - though I dare say the number of adults who couldnt read a book aimed at 4 year olds would be very small. Bigger problem is the ones who simply dont care. Drinking, smoking, gambling, jet skis and the pitbulls are the good life, and if they got there without caring about school, why should it be any different for their kids.
 
Reading to them for 15 minutes every night when they go to bed. Until they are old enough to read by themselves for 15 minutes.

Problem is when the parents also struggle to read - though I dare say the number of adults who couldnt read a book aimed at 4 year olds would be very small. Bigger problem is the ones who simply dont care. Drinking, smoking, gambling, jet skis and the pitbulls are the good life, and if they got there without caring about school, why should it be any different for their kids.
Not forgetting parents constantly on their phones when they're with their kids, you see it daily when you're out :(
 

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Not forgetting parents constantly on their phones when they're with their kids, you see it daily when you're out :(

I work long hours and am on my phone all the time but Ive always made time to read to my kids. Sadly my daughter lost the love for it and it really affected her (not all her fault) but my son loves to read and will devour books.
 
I work long hours and am on my phone all the time but Ive always made time to read to my kids. Sadly my daughter lost the love for it and it really affected her (not all her fault) but my son loves to read and will devour books.
Hopefully she will come back to it. Peer influence can help, if a friend is reading something interesting or exciting, or certain books are "fashionable". The Harry Potter books are apparently good for hooking kids into reading, maybe there are other series. Try giving her one for Christmas, that's not too long or taxing, in line with her current interests eg animals. Comic-style books often hold their interest. My grandson was very slow to read. I gave him a book that had a lot of pictures, and he went on to read a few more in the series; not immediately but over time (so much else to do these days, and he is more into outdoor activities). The thing is to persist, and have material available on hand.

Good luck.
 
Probably not good having 10 year olds in Grade 1 either...

Its a parenting issue far more than a school issue, beyond teachers needing to spot it and report it.

Now this is 110% a parenting problem:

Gaming ‘is ruining literacy of teenage boys’, study finds​


Pasi Sahlberg, the co-author of Growing Up Digital Australia, an ongoing study of children’s online usage for the Gonski Institute at the University of NSW, said many boys were spending six to nine hours a day gaming online.

“What’s happened in the last 10 years is that boys have gone more into gaming,’’ Professor Sahlberg said. “The girls are more into social media so they communicate and write and read a little bit more.’’

A growing gender gap in literacy is revealed in results from this year’s National Assessment Program – Literacy and Numeracy (NAPLAN), which tested more than a million students in years 3, 5, 7 and 9.

The reading results for year 9 boys aged 14 and 15 are the worst since NAPLAN tests began in 2008 – the year Apple introduced its smartphone to Australia.'
 
Now this is 110% a parenting problem:

Gaming ‘is ruining literacy of teenage boys’, study finds​


Pasi Sahlberg, the co-author of Growing Up Digital Australia, an ongoing study of children’s online usage for the Gonski Institute at the University of NSW, said many boys were spending six to nine hours a day gaming online.

“What’s happened in the last 10 years is that boys have gone more into gaming,’’ Professor Sahlberg said. “The girls are more into social media so they communicate and write and read a little bit more.’’

A growing gender gap in literacy is revealed in results from this year’s National Assessment Program – Literacy and Numeracy (NAPLAN), which tested more than a million students in years 3, 5, 7 and 9.

The reading results for year 9 boys aged 14 and 15 are the worst since NAPLAN tests began in 2008 – the year Apple introduced its smartphone to Australia.'

My son is 14 and plays a lot of online games but also does his homework (advanced classes so he gets a lot of homework - my partner's kid same age but different school gets zero homework ever - because the teachers are as lazy as most of the parents) and reads.

My son knows that if his grades drop the 1st thing to go is the gaming.

Its still up to the parents to push their kids. My partner does because the school doesnt.
 
Passing kids into higher grades when they can not read is to abdicate any responsibility for education.
We can't keep students back just for reading.

If that was the case, then younger years (Foundation to year 4) would be swamped up to their eyeballs with students. When I inherited my class at the start of the year 70% of my students were reading below the expected level by 6 months or more.

In addition to this, only 5 of my students read each night. I have been sending books home with students, not many even returning them.

Kids just aren't seeing the purpose for reading or enjoyment.
 
I teach a couple of Special Ed classes. Most of these kids have very limited literacy skills. We should be teaching them how to read and write. However we aren't able to. If year 10 is doing a film review unit we need to teach these kids to write a film review, albeit at a much simpler, or "differentiated" level. How can they when they don't have the literacy skills? Some students are on individual curriculum programs (ICP) where they work at a different year level. However if they can meet just one standard criterion for that year they are moved up. They may be able to meet a listening or oral criterion so are moved up even if they can't read or write. I have year 10 kids working at a year 6 ICP level who still can't read or write but I'm expected to get them to write a film review. It's seriously inane and getting me very down. I just keep telling myself that I can retire in 5 years but that doesn't help these students much.
Special Ed is just BS here in Australia and Victoria. Classes are way too big with the sizes being capped at 12.

They Should be capped at 5.

So many complex needs that when you have a class of both verbal and non verbal + behaviours. In one school I worked in, classes were 12 and you were lucky to have one Ed support worker.
 
We can't keep students back just for reading.

If that was the case, then younger years (Foundation to year 4) would be swamped up to their eyeballs with students. When I inherited my class at the start of the year 70% of my students were reading below the expected level by 6 months or more.

In addition to this, only 5 of my students read each night. I have been sending books home with students, not many even returning them.

Kids just aren't seeing the purpose for reading or enjoyment.
Reading used to be the go-to leisure activity for all. Now there are just so many more choices for kids, first and foremost the ubiquitous devices. The socio-economic implications also can’t be ignored.
 
We can't keep students back just for reading.

If that was the case, then younger years (Foundation to year 4) would be swamped up to their eyeballs with students. When I inherited my class at the start of the year 70% of my students were reading below the expected level by 6 months or more.

In addition to this, only 5 of my students read each night. I have been sending books home with students, not many even returning them.

Kids just aren't seeing the purpose for reading or enjoyment.
Someone needs to address this. Moving kids on when they cant read is a disgrace & it will limit their future.
 

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