FTA-TV Survivor 27: Blood vs Water (No Spoilers)

[AdelaideFan14]

Went and had a look at the extended version of tribal on youtube. I wonder if Hayden glared at Tyson over the "Rustling Feathers" correction because he was the second if not third person at that Tribal Council to use the term "Rustling Feathers" and Tyson chose not to correct Ciera or Katie but corrected Hayden. Made a couple of Gif's of the moments at Tribal I found amusing.

 

[alfy!]

Survivor has the best reaction shots of any TV show.

I'm sure many of them are out of context but the way they edit it all together is an art form.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Not sure why it was a "dumb" move by Ciera.. Clearly number 4 in that alliance.

Now she only has Hayden but i think someone will return from RI before the next tribal.
Doesn't matter which of the 3 come back, they will all side with Hayden and Ciera making the vote 3 v 3 again. Just need to get into Monica's head and its bye bye Gervase!

 

[alfy!]

Not sure why it was a "dumb" move by Ciera.. Clearly number 4 in that alliance.

Because she should have done it last week and it makes all her moves from the past few episodes look ridiculously short sighted.

 

[alfy!]

Ponderosa!



Hayden on his plans for tribal:



Tyson thinks Monica is his strongest alliance:



Extended edition of the tribal council drama:

 

[dales.girl38]

All Gervase had to say was 'yeah, Ciera's had a lot of food rewards lately, so I picked Tyson and Monica'. Instead he said 'It's obvious, I picked the original Galang members who I trust the most'. Idiot.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

There's a huge difference between Sherri & Monica's games. Monica can point to the merge and how she is one of the votes responsible for getting out Aras. But she didn't make the moves to actively piss off everyone else.

She has won 2 or 3 individual immunity challenges so she can say she played a physical game.

I don't think she wins, but I think she has done enough to get more votes than Gervase in a final 3 scenario.

Yes, she appears to be under the radar but she has made sound decisions. Has basically been outside the top 3 in all of her alliances but she moves up when others lose their heads and conspire too much, too soon. Brad's game put a target on her back but she survived that. Now she is dominating immunity challenges. She really hasn't done anything to upset anybody on the jury but has chosen the correct path when it comes to blindside votes. She doesn't appear to be tactical but sometimes letting others self destruct is tactical. She was in an alliance in her original tribe, then the switch came and she was in a girl's alliance, then the merge happened and she went back to her original alliance, all the while not upsetting anybody but Kat and Candice (after she was already on RI). It all appears to be accidental but is it?

 

[SugarShane]

All Gervase had to say was 'yeah, Ciera's had a lot of food rewards lately, so I picked Tyson and Monica'. Instead he said 'It's obvious, I picked the original Galang members who I trust the most'. Idiot.

There were so many ways he could've played it. Yet he picked the dumbest.

 

[swiftdog]

Yes, she appears to be under the radar but she has made sound decisions. Has basically been outside the top 3 in all of her alliances but she moves up when others lose their heads and conspire too much, too soon. Brad's game put a target on her back but she survived that. Now she is dominating immunity challenges. She really hasn't done anything to upset anybody on the jury but has chosen the correct path when it comes to blindside votes. She doesn't appear to be tactical but sometimes letting others self destruct is tactical. She was in an alliance in her original tribe, then the switch came and she was in a girl's alliance, then the merge happened and she went back to her original alliance, all the while not upsetting anybody but Kat and Candice (after she was already on RI). It all appears to be accidental but is it?

In short, I think she's playing a good game for second or third based on what you've mentioned but hasn't done enough (not yet anyway) to win it. It depends on what you value though and what the Jury value may be different to what I value. I value strategic players who attempt to control the votes based on sound logic and reasoning for the majority of the game (hence why I want Tyson to win, not to mention finding the idol twice). I really don't think Monica has done this so she wouldn't get my vote. I assume her social game is pretty solid based on the "mother figure" comments. She's had the best physical game by far, but at the end of the day I don't think she was ever in trouble on the days she won immunity anyway. I would rate the immunity wins higher if she did it with a target on her back. If she wins immunity at the final 4 then I'll think she'll have a HUGE argument to make for the million as the most dominant physical player. Until that day comes though her relatively passive strategic game is her undoing for me.

 

[Broken]

Because she should have done it last week and it makes all her moves from the past few episodes look ridiculously short sighted.

That's what I found frustrating with the move too, as much as I loved the drama the move caused this week.

 

[NiceCunnington]

I don't see how that makes it a dumb move. Because she made poor moves/non-moves in the previous episodes she should have kept making them? That's where you have to give the credit to Hayden for spelling it out to her so well and take away points from Monica and Gervase.

 

[alfy!]

I don't see how that makes it a dumb move. Because she made poor moves/non-moves in the previous episodes she should have kept making them? That's where you have to give the credit to Hayden for spelling it out to her so well and take away points from Monica and Gervase.

She's made dumb moves, no matter if you want to split it by episode or not.

She went from giving Tyson/Gervase the clue to the idol to flipping on them at the next tribal with a 33% chance of going home and a 66% chance of the move not working.

 

[phantom13]

She's made dumb moves, no matter if you want to split it by episode or not.

She went from giving Tyson/Gervase the clue to the idol to flipping on them at the next tribal with a 33% chance of going home and a 66% chance of the move not working.

Better to try and fail than never to try at all...

 

[alfy!]

Better to try and fail than never to try at all...

I'm not doubting that at all. It sure was entertaining and I was rooting for her (and Hayden/Katie).

 

[The Big Sauce]

Survivor has the best reaction shots of any TV show.

I'm sure many of them are out of context but the way they edit it all together is an art form.

This is forever my favourite from Gabon.

 

[Fade to Gray]

Ciera, should have made the move against Tyson last week, however it is a testament to Tyson's game that he had her convinced he was in his final 3 plans.

It was an appalling effort from Gervase and Monica in this week to demonstrate she was number 4.

It was on OK move by Ciera, as nothing pisses me off more than seeing someone who is obviously on the bottom of an alliance who just accepts a 4th, 5th or 6th place.

The bad thing about it is she could have gone along this week with Tyson, got to final 4 and hope that her Mum makes it back (she has dominated RI, so it's a chance). At that stage it's final 5 then all she needs to do is pull in either Monica or Gervase and then it's final 3 (after the reaction of the jury, surely some alarms bells must be starting to go off for Gervase and Monica that they can't beat Tyson). There are a few if's in there, but if she pulls in Monica or Gervase I think she would win the game.

If Tyson makes the final 3 I can't see any scenario where he doesn't win.

 

[BLPC08]

The phrase is 'to ruffle feathers'.

How can you "rustle feathers"? You rustle leaves. They make a sound. Feathers don't.

Whilst I don't disagree with you, Tyson attempted to make a fool out of him by saying "Russel is a persons name". He was being a smartarse, and was duly put in his place.

 

[Ochre]

Whilst I don't disagree with you, Tyson attempted to make a fool out of him by saying "Russel is a persons name". He was being a smartarse, and was duly put in his place.

He was trying to change the conversation from Hayden trying to flip Ciera to something irrelevant.

 

[Jugada]

He was trying to change the conversation from Hayden trying to flip Ciera to something irrelevant.

Exactly, i thought this would have been very obvious to everyone. Hayden is gaining momentum in his argument so he just tries to alter the mood and break up the argument Hayden was making.

Tyson played that TC extremely well. Pity his alliance almost buried him

 

[Jugada]

Because she should have done it last week and it makes all her moves from the past few episodes look ridiculously short sighted.

That doesnt make this move a bad one. She made the right move as soon as she found out she was #4, you cant ask for more than that. The fact that she did do a complete 180 on her move from the previous week makes it even better imo. Its just a testament to how well Tyson is playing

If she takes out Tyson the week before then what? She is still in the same position with Hayden/Caleb being the same as Tyson/Gervase. She is going to be their #4 as well with Katie being Hayden and Caleb's #3

Ciera is getting a bum rap from people who have the ability to see everyones perspective from the comfort of their own home and play Monday morning quarterback after things have played out.

 

[The Big Sauce]

I've actually really enjoyed Ciera's game and I rate her as one of the better new players to emerge in the post Redemption Island environment of perpetually pitting new players against old ones. She's been pretty astute in her observations and is the one person to say that they transcended the 'blood' element in order to try and win this game. She's hardly been passive post merge and it has made for good television.

The move this week was a good one and it didn't pan out right, but she's still alive. The week before wasn't a horrible one either, she had made her decision to stick with Tyson and she felt completely safe. She'd just pigged out with Tyson & Gerv at the challenge and she would've thought right up until the most recent Tribal that she was their #3 person instead of #4.

To bring in some ultimate hindsight stuff, there's a huge chance the game would've come down to this had she acted last week considering Tyson played the Idol so it would've made for the same numbers going into the most recent episode.

 

[alfy!]

If she takes out Tyson the week before then what? She is still in the same position with Hayden/Caleb being the same as Tyson/Gervase. She is going to be their #4 as well with Katie being Hayden and Caleb's #3

Ciera is getting a bum rap from people who have the ability to see everyones perspective from the comfort of their own home and play Monday morning quarterback after things have played out.

I think she's in a much stronger position with Katie/Hayden/Caleb. Especially with her Mum possibly coming back from RI. That's just my opinion.

The same could be said on the other hand: Ciera is getting a good rap from people who have the ability to see everyones perspective from the comfort of their own home and play Monday morning quarterback after things have played out.

That's literally all we can do, analyse the show and the moves made.

 

[POBT]

I do wonder if Ciera's move at tribal was made on the assumption that someone would be returning from RI this week. By aligning herself with Katie and Hayden, she gains an ally (Tina) that she may not have had otherwise. Given her mum is in the game, the prospect of a returnee from RI would put her in a pretty strong position.

Effectively, the last tribal had 3 possible outcomes:

1. Tyson goes to RI. Clearly the Win outcome even though he has a chance to get back in the game. It means her alliance has the numbers in the tribe and a 2-1 shot that the returnee from RI is an ally too.

2. Katie goes to RI. Not great but guarantees that, if there is a returnee from RI, it will be an ally (ie one of Katie, Tina or her mum). If that occurs, they are back to 3 v 3 at the next tribal.

3. Ciera goes to RI. Shit outcome but maybe she can convince her mum and Tina to throw the RI challenge and allow her to return to the game to re. Back to 3 v 3.

So, if the assumption that there would be a return from RI holds true, that Ciera could potentially be no worse off, with the chance of eliminating Tyson. It also puts her out there as the "big player" of her 3 person alliance which could help with jury votes.

 

[alfy!]

I do wonder if Ciera's move at tribal was made on the assumption that someone would be returning from RI this week.

Which is misguided and stupid in itself, as both other times RI has run in a season of Survivor, the second re-entry point has been at the final 4.

 

[POBT]

Which is misguided and stupid in itself, as both other times RI has run in a season of Survivor, the second re-entry point has been at the final 4.

Not exactly a good sample size though.

Anyway, was more thinking out loud than anything else.