Current Synagogue Firebombing Melbourne * Investigated as a terrorist attack

[Kurve]

Here comes the crackdown.

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

Twenty-one AFP police and analysts, who are an experienced squad of counter terrorism investigators, will deploy nationally to incidents to investigate:

• Urging violence against members of groups;
• Advocating Terrorism;
• Advocating Genocide;
• Using a carriage service to make a threat; and
• Using a carriage service to menace or harass.

AFP to lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate anti-Semitism | Australian Federal Police

The AFP will lead Special Operation Avalite to investigate threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians.

www.afp.gov.au

 

[faible]

It’s called being in opposition. Agree with everything Labor does and there’s no point of difference for voters to compare. Already the differences are noticeable. Albo hasn’t covered himself in glory over the past couple of years.

Defining being in opposition as ‘opposing everything the government does’ is exactly the issue with modern politics.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Defining being in opposition as ‘opposing everything the government does’ is exactly the issue with modern politics.

You’re misquoting me. He hasn’t opposed everything . The recent legislation on social media access for teens is an example.

 

[faible]

You’re misquoting me. He hasn’t opposed everything . The recent legislation on social media access for teens is an example.

The rare thing they haven’t opposed. And will end up being a shit show of legislation is my guess. Either way being in ‘opposition’ shouldn’t be defined as simply opposing thing.

 

[Jazny]

It’s domestic terrorism whatever the motive.

Not really. There are other reasons that can't yet be ruled out why someone might burn down a synagogue. I am not going to say them here because it might appear like I am endorsing them as the real reason, when I am not, but it's not hard to think of other motives beside terrorism. I am just saying that all other reasons haven't been ruled out yet. If and when they are known and the police determine it was terrrosim, I will call it what it is, a terrorist act.

To criticise the police or politicians at this stage of the investigation like some have is really unfair. They have to be accurate with their messaging to the public. They should just say "we are investigating this as potentially terrorism related" or words to that effect.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Not really. There are other reasons that can't yet be ruled out why someone might burn down a synagogue. I am not going to say them here because it might appear like I am endorsing them as the real reason, when I am not, but it's not hard to think of other motives beside terrorism. I am just saying that all other reasons haven't been ruled out yet. If and when they are known and the police determine it was terrrosim, I will call it what it is, a terrorist act.

To criticise the police or politicians at this stage of the investigation like some have is really unfair. They have to be accurate with their messaging to the public. They should just say "we are investigating this as potentially terrorism related" or words to that effect.

That’s an impartial, dispassionate, pragmatic approach. Put yourself in the shoes of a member of the Jewish community.

 

[jason_recliner]

Not all racist crimes or hate crimes are terrorism. There's no group behind this pushing a political or religious ideology, so it's not terrorism.

 

[DapperDon]

Not all racist crimes or hate crimes are terrorism. There's no group behind this pushing a political or religious ideology, so it's not terrorism.

There can be non political and non religious terrorism, Ted Kaczynski comes to mind.

And as said above, until they find who is responsible you can't rule anything out, though I think we can pretty much lock in religion being a pretty big reason.

 

[Kurve]

Not all racist crimes or hate crimes are terrorism. There's no group behind this pushing a political or religious ideology, so it's not terrorism.

That it was a Synagogue firebombed suggests it was a politically or religiously motivated attack.

Why does there have to be a group behind it for it to be a terrorist attack?

 

[Kurve]

Victoria and Federal Police counter terrorism units are meeting today.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-08/melbourne-synagogue-fire-investigation/104699054

 

[DapperDon]

I'm surprised there hasn't been any release of CCTV images, I imagine they have some or at least a vechicle they would suspect being involved.

Then again, that part of town maybe there are limited cameras.

 

[Kurve]

I'm surprised there hasn't been any release of CCTV images, I imagine they have some or at least a vechicle they would suspect being involved.

Then again, that part of town maybe there are limited cameras.

It might take time to pull all the CCTV together so it makes sense as the offenders move from one place to another.

They might have been in a stolen car and need to find where that was dumped if we haven't heard of any burnt out vehicles yet, then track where they went from there.

In one recent case covered by this board, someone was caught on a neighbour's CCTV murdering a woman inside a flat, as the killer and victim moved past a window. A kitchen window iirc.

 

[FIGJAM]

Hopefully the discussion can move past the 1 in 10,000 chance of this not being a terrorist attack (I mean, there was always an outside chance that the Adass Israel Synagogue were flipping illegal ciggies...).

Synagogue fire declared a terror attack, three suspects wanted

The investigation into the Ripponlea synagogue firebombing will now be handled by a joint counter terror unit as police throw all their resources at finding three suspects.

www.theage.com.au

 

[sherb]

Defining being in opposition as ‘opposing everything the government does’ is exactly the issue with modern politics.

Agreed, they would be far better off being called the "Alternative" and acting that way.

Off topic, I know........

 

[Kurve]

So there's three suspects, not two as witnesses appeared to suggest. That means, they probably have CCTV.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I wonder what the "threshold" is that determines whether or not a crime is deemed to be terror-related.

 

[faible]

I wonder what the "threshold" is that determines whether or not a crime is deemed to be terror-related.

What constitutes a terrorist attack? And what is Australia's current terror threat level?

Authorities investigating a stabbing incident at a Sydney church explain why it is being treated as an alleged terrorist attack, while Saturday's stabbing rampage at Bondi Junction was not.

www.abc.net.au

According to the Australian government, a terrorist attack is an act, or a threat to commit an act, that is done with the intention to coerce or influence the public or any government by intimidation, to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.

Causes of the act, or attack, must include:

• death or serious harm or endangers life
• serious damage to property
• a serious risk to the health or safety of the public, or
• serious interference with, or serious disruption or destruction of critical infrastructure such as a telecommunications or electricity network.

From memory it's usually the bolded that they wait to have proof of before making a declaration. Sometimes people leave a manifesto that make it quick to get that proof, or the display of specific symbols e.g. the Lindt siege, sometimes it takes a bit more digging.

Key word there is proof.

Obviously we can infer these things as a general member of the public, but the authorities need to have some kind of proof to make a formal declaration. It took a while for the Wieambilla shooting to be declared a terror attack from memory.

 

[faible]

So there's three suspects, not two as witnesses appeared to suggest. That means, they probably have CCTV.

I'd also guess that the declaration of it being a terror attack means they have some level of knowledge as to who the people are and their motive.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm surprised there hasn't been any release of CCTV images, I imagine they have some or at least a vechicle they would suspect being involved.

Then again, that part of town maybe there are limited cameras.

Yeah, usually they would release something quickly, even if it's just a screenshot of cctv footage.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

What constitutes a terrorist attack? And what is Australia's current terror threat level?

Authorities investigating a stabbing incident at a Sydney church explain why it is being treated as an alleged terrorist attack, while Saturday's stabbing rampage at Bondi Junction was not.

www.abc.net.au

From memory it's usually the bolded that they wait to have proof of before making a declaration. Sometimes people leave a manifesto that make it quick to get that proof, or the display of specific symbols e.g. the Lindt siege, sometimes it takes a bit more digging.

Key word there is proof.

Obviously we can infer these things as a general member of the public, but the authorities need to have some kind of proof to make a formal declaration. It took a while for the Wieambilla shooting to be declared a terror attack from memory.

Thanks, yes, I did know that, but what makes this attack terrorism? The motive is not clear, as they said originally. Are they concluding it was one of the above and not something else, eg a personal or deranged attack?

I’m being rhetorical; obviously, 99% it’s political, religious or ideological, or all three. I’d just like to follow their thinking. Likely they know more than they are letting on while these people are being pursued.

 

[faible]

Thanks, yes, I did know that, but what makes this attack terrorism? The motive is not clear, as they said originally. Are they concluding it was one of the above and not something else, eg a personal or deranged attack?

I’m being rhetorical; obviously, 99% it’s political, religious or ideological, or all three. I’d just like to follow their thinking. Likely they know more than they are letting on while these people are being pursued.

I can only assume they've got some form of proof regarding this.

Police confirm Melbourne synagogue fire being treated as terror attack

Authorities confirm they are treating Friday's arson attack as a terrorist incident, and that it is now being investigated by a joint committee run by the AFP and Victoria Police.

www.abc.net.au

He said while that crime scene was a synagogue, that fact alone was not sufficient information to reach the threshold for a terror attack to be declared.

"We've investigated over the weekend, we've had significant progress … we've gained intelligence and evidence, and we've then as a result of that … brought us to the situation we're in now where we are saying we are treating this as a terrorist attack," he said.

 

[FIGJAM]

Yeah, usually they would release something quickly, even if it's just a screenshot of cctv footage.

Shane Patton seemed to want to skirt everything about what he knows in today's presser.

Would it help the peace around Melbourne if they released footage of people leaving wearing keffiyehs? Of if he confirmed that they were Islamic?

Just pinch the dickheads and let things cool down a bit.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I can only assume they've got some form of proof regarding this.

Police confirm Melbourne synagogue fire being treated as terror attack

Authorities confirm they are treating Friday's arson attack as a terrorist incident, and that it is now being investigated by a joint committee run by the AFP and Victoria Police.

www.abc.net.au

I hope they covered the airports quick smart, and other exits from the city.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I hope they covered the airports quick smart, and other exits from the city.

Close the borders, ring of steel until they figure out who it was?

I'm sure that would go down well.

 

[jason_recliner]

Shane Patton seemed to want to skirt everything about what he knows in today's presser.

Would it help the peace around Melbourne if they released footage of people leaving wearing keffiyehs? Of if he confirmed that they were Islamic?

Just pinch the dickheads and let things cool down a bit.

Maybe, but there are plenty of people who aren't muslims that are disgusted, appalled and incredibly angered by Israel's mass-scale atrocities, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. But yeah, they were probably muslims.

 

[jason_recliner]

It’s called being in opposition. Agree with everything Labor does and there’s no point of difference for voters to compare. Already the differences are noticeable. Albo hasn’t covered himself in glory over the past couple of years.

Yep, going to be a swing towards the Greens (and perhaps any pro-Palestine independents). So many Aussies have had enough of both parties kowtowing at the expense of Gazans. I'm probably going to vote Greens for the first time in my life. Fatima's probably looking good.