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Partridge said:
No they haven't. That's the whole point behind this. Their brains aren't fully developed and they are nowhere near mature enough to handle it (I'm talking 11, 12, 13-year olds in particular). Jonathan Haidt has been calling attention to the rise of depression and anxiety in children and teenagers for years - since his article (and then book co-authored with Greg Lukianoff) The Coddling of the American Mind came out. That was around 2018. They were cautious about the effect of social media then; they aren't now as they have tons more data (They've also factored in Covid, basically the effect was underway already).

It all comes back to when Facebook/Twitter and iPhones became available - around 2008-2010. That generation then started attending universities around 2014. Which is exactly when the hysterical calls for deplatforming, safe spaces and so on escalated. Also factor in an entire generation that has been far more protected and insulated from things older generations considered normal - free play outside, no adults supervising etc. - and the effect is multiplied.

I'm far from convinced a government ruling is the way to solve it; it rarely is. But having seen it first hand with multiple friends and family members, I don't want kids under 15-16 anywhere near social media. It's bad for boys, but it is absolutely devastating for girls. Far more susceptible to gossip, missing out on social events, and teenage girls are every bit as nasty as teenage boys, but it's all reputational. Absolutely perfect to be exploited for social media.

I'm with you on the government not doing it; but if you let kids loose on social media, especially girls, you can almost predict more anxiety, more depression, worse attention, worse concentration, and everything else. Ultimately it comes down to parenting.
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Haidt now largely links depression to wokism not social media. He has further looked at the data and revealed the increase in depression among the youth is in progressive youth. Not those who are conservative. I.e. its not social media it's kids being taught an ideology that makes them depressed. Wokism tells kids that minor slights should trigger them and being triggered is the fault of other people and not the way you mentally process information. I.e. wokism tells kids the exact opposite thing that modern psychologists, stoics and buddhists have found to be extremely successful in improving mental health. Forget (don't worry about it), forgive or reinterpret in a positive light.

And if kids aren't mature enough to communicate with other kids as you suggest then surely we should ban them from going to schools and going outside to play with friends because in your mind they aren't mature enough to communicate with other kids.
 
Seeds said:
Haidt now largely links depression to wokism not social media. He has further looked at the data and revealed the increase in depression among the youth is in progressive youth. Not those who are conservative. I.e. its not social media it's kids being taught an ideology that makes them depressed. Wokism tells kids that minor slights should trigger them and being triggered is the fault of other people and not the way you mentally process information. I.e. wokism tells kids the exact opposite thing that modern psychologists, stoics and buddhists have found to be extremely successful in improving mental health. Forget (don't worry about it), forgive or reinterpret in a positive light.

And if kids aren't mature enough to communicate with other kids as you suggest then surely we should ban them from going to schools and going outside to play with friends because in your mind they aren't mature enough to communicate with other kids.
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A good portion of woke outrage stuff is the invention of the anti woke brigade. We all know that
 

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Seeds said:
Haidt now largely links depression to wokism not social media. He has further looked at the data and revealed the increase in depression among the youth is in progressive youth. Not those who are conservative. I.e. its not social media it's kids being taught an ideology that makes them depressed. Wokism tells kids that minor slights should trigger them and being triggered is the fault of other people and not the way you mentally process information. I.e. wokism tells kids the exact opposite thing that modern psychologists, stoics and buddhists have found to be extremely successful in improving mental health. Forget (don't worry about it), forgive or reinterpret in a positive light.

And if kids aren't mature enough to communicate with other kids as you suggest then surely we should ban them from going to schools and going outside to play with friends because in your mind they aren't mature enough to communicate with other kids.
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Bloody hell... I better pull my kids out of the local Australian Wokism Association School tomorrow, cancel their aftercare Wokism classes, stop watching our 2 hours of Woke For You on the telly, and ask the people from Modern Wokefare to stop dropping in on a Sunday.

I didn't realise teaching all that Woke all day was causing depression!
 
swingdog said:
Gaming platforms are probably worse - dominated by teenage boys with anonymous accounts encouraged to trashtalk. What could go wrong?
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Agree but also how dumb do you need to be to get bullied in this setting. Take off the headphones, problem solved.
I'm sure you can block other users too but you can very easily play the game online without being bullied. Of all the valid complaints about online bullying & SM, this one I struggle to comprehend tbh
 
burge13 said:
Agree but also how dumb do you need to be to get bullied in this setting. Take off the headphones, problem solved.
I'm sure you can block other users too but you can very easily play the game online without being bullied. Of all the valid complaints about online bullying & SM, this one I struggle to comprehend tbh
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Do you remember what it was like being 13?
 
swingdog said:
Do you remember what it was like being 13?
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Yeah, there wasn't any bullying online (MSN Messenger but again, just leave the chat) but the equivalent would have been someone ringing the house phone to abuse you, just hang up.

Gaming harassment, whilst not good, is very easily avoided. Take your headphones off, you can still play the game
 
burge13 said:
Yeah, there wasn't any bullying online (MSN Messenger but again, just leave the chat) but the equivalent would have been someone ringing the house phone to abuse you, just hang up.

Gaming harassment, whilst not good, is very easily avoided. Take your headphones off, you can still play the game
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And if all your mates are on there wondering why you're not joining in the chat? And it's not just headphones, it's text based.

Congrats on being strong enough to avoid the bullying when you were young but that's not who this legislation is aimed at.
 
faible said:
Isn't Snapchat one of the worst platforms for teens being exploited?
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Kids being sexually exploited by adults - fine.
Kids bullying each other online - not fine.

It's obvious, but the politicians have no idea what they are doing.
 

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swingdog said:
Falling apart already:

Rowland says Snapchat could be excluded from social media regulations

The communications minister has continued doing the media rounds this morning, speaking on 2GB about the government’s move to regulate social media companies.

She said that part of the plan was to encourage “low-risk services” like YouTube Kids.

Rowland also said Snapchat could also be excluded, and that some platforms “present themselves in different way”:
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It’s just going to be a series of these types of things until they inevitably pull the plug on the whole moronic idea.

Never, ever, ever going to happen.

I wonder if Dutton and Murdoch convinced Albo to be the front man on this. What a ridiculous L.
 
Poisoned chalice. Can't be done at any meaningful level. I am bewildered at Albo and the ALP for this, Dutton & co can walk away from it, non core promises and all that but the ALP have just found themselves in a massive pile of shit

1) implements a geographic based proxy/filter for services that aren't clearly defined = won't happen.

2) Shift the restrictions to the service providers both network and application = won't happen

3) Implement new digital ID or link to mygov at app layer for access to services that have never had restrictions (and again not clearly defined) = good luck......

I still don't know how they found themselves in this situation. ****ing mind boggling. Doubt Ed Husic is on board.
 
Sinjin Smith said:
Poisoned chalice. Can't be done at any meaningful level. I am bewildered at Albo and the ALP for this, Dutton & co can walk away from it, non core promises and all that but the ALP have just found themselves in a massive pile of shit

1) implements a geographic based proxy/filter for services that aren't clearly defined = won't happen.

2) Shift the restrictions to the service providers both network and application = won't happen

3) Implement new digital ID or link to mygov at app layer for access to services that have never had restrictions (and again not clearly defined) = good luck......

I still don't know how they found themselves in this situation. ****ing mind boggling. Doubt Ed Husic is on board.
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More than this, Murdoch and the LNP now have a target. Every time somebody complains about kids on Social Media: Blame the ALP for not implementing the bipartisan legislation to ban it.

Dutton: "We tried to ban it, and helped ALP pass legislation, but the ALP couldn't figure out how to implement it. They can't govern, they can't look after your kids' safety like they said they could".

It's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, politically, when a party is staring down the barrel of losing an election thanks to inflation that they've walked into this absolute tur-d-burger of a policy.

Lunacy.
 
I'm guessing this happened because the Murdoch/Sky morons got into somebody like Rowland's ear and said "Look, I know we've been tough on you, but if you pass this social bill, we'll make sure Dutton makes it bi-partisan and we'll say good things about you and the ban"

They walk into this tur-d-burger and Murdoch and Sky will lay the boots in, along with the LNP, all the way through the election cycle.

So Stupid. So, so stupid.

I thought they were just scared, but I'm now thinking it might be the stupid driving them more than the fear.
 
Saint said:
I'm guessing this happened because the Murdoch/Sky morons got into somebody like Rowland's ear and said "Look, I know we've been tough on you, but if you pass this social bill, we'll make sure Dutton makes it bi-partisan and we'll say good things about you and the ban"

They walk into this tur-d-burger and Murdoch and Sky will lay the boots in, along with the LNP, all the way through the election cycle.

So Stupid. So, so stupid.

I thought they were just scared, but I'm now thinking it might be the stupid driving them more than the fear.
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Got no idea how it happened but if Rowland, Albo and all of their advisers fell for that then they simply are not fit to govern.

No that is not an endorsement of the LNP either. Just as or even worse.
 

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