Tambling Vs Varcoe

[Azzleberry]

Hi Guys,

Me and my housemate were just debating whether Richard Tambling or Travis Varcoe was the better player.

Me being a Tigers fan couldn't believe that this could even be up for debate. But my housemate, a geelong supporter, is misguided and believes Varcoe is better.

So we have come to you guys, in order to sort this out and we will take ur word as GOSPEL!!!

 

[buzz123]

Me and my housemate? how about my housemate and i azzleberry fin, some correct grammar please!

and onto the question at hand, i think richard tambling is a massive disappointment for a #4 draft pick (cough cough buddy franklin). He rarely utilises his natural attribute of speed to excert his influence on the game and generally floats along...

trav varcoe on the other hand is yet to turn 21 and pretty much cemented his place in the starting 22 of close to the best side in the competition. amongst the cats best in the prelim v bulldogs in '08 he played a massive part in getting the cats to the big dance of '08. pity he went missing grand final day, however, he can claim to at least played in several AFL finals games...has tambling??

i was reading today in, believe it or not, the richmond membership newsletter,which stated that the only way to rank players is by "premierships and grand final appearances". Sorry tambling, your just no good. varcoe has a vfl flag to his name, plus several senior finals games...varcoe has achieved more and is only 21

 

[p-man]

as i post this comment i believe the tally stands at varcoe 8, tambling 2.

And this is the way the poll should stay throughout.

Varcoe although being younger is a more accomplished player then Tambling. Tambling being the 'gun' pick by the Tigers is yet to perform on the large scale for such a pick and fails to perform well on a consistent basis. Tambling was touted as being a saviour at richmond and struggles to get a game now in their best 22. It is time for him to step up or he may find himself in the VFL.

Varcoe on the other hand is a much more handy player. I would rather have varcoe in my side then tambling with his goal sense and skill.

When you look at it, would Tambling even get a game in 1 of the top 2 sides in the AFL, Geelong or Hawthorn? Varcoe is a starter...but would Tambling be?

 

[Azzleberry]

I sincerely apologize for my misguided use of the english language and grammar!

Ok, where to start...

Yes, Yes the point about Buddy and Roughead has been well documented I believe.. Everyone makes mistakes I guess...

Again, good point, Tambling has yet to completely influence a game, however, each year he has shown improvement and that is all we can ask from a player.. That they improve and keep improving...

You say Trav is yet to turn 21, then u say he's 21, so im unsure of his age, none the less, Bling is only 22 and hence to say Varcoe has already achieved more than Tambling is a very big call!!

I notice you said that Trav already has plenty of finals and experience in finals games, however, when Varcoe won that VFL Flag, I believe Tambling was probably playing Regular First Team Football!!!

The magazine article you were reading was about "RICHOMAN" and how he cant go down as one of the greats of the game because he has no flag to his name. None the less he will go down as one of the greatest players at Tigerland!!!

Finally,
I have attached a comparison of 2008's stats for both Trav & Richard:

2008:
Varcoe: Matches: 16 Total Kicks: 98 Total Handballs: 87 Disposals: 185 Avg Disposals/Game: 11.6
Marks: 45 Avg Marks/Game: 2.8 Goals: 14 Tackles: 72

Tambling: Matches: 22 Total Kicks: 202 Total Handballs: 182 Disposals: 384 Avg Disposals/Game: 17.5 Marks: 113 Avg Marks/Game: 5.1 Goals: 10 Tackles: 72


It probably shows why Varcoe is part of a very strong geelong team, not to create or setup footy, not even to get huge amounts of the footy.. He is a defensive forward who has the job of applying pressure to the opponent's defenders and to maybe snag a couple of goals a game.. Although, this is a very integral part of the modern game.. However, I would argue that Tambo has a more vital role in his team!!

 

[buzz123]

he's 21 in april, sorry for rounding up...

i find it hard to believe that when varcoe won his vfl flag, tambling was playing 'Regular First Team Football'...how often to richmond actually play during september?! i think if a side finishes 9th, they wouldnt be playing at the time of the vfl grannie...

lets see how tambling goes tomorrow night in front of 90k and against ordinary opposition, by this stage of his career he should be starting to dominate games like that

 

[Azzleberry]

Sorry,

Richie wouldn't have qualified to play VFL then.. Yes Richmond finishes 9th alot, almost as original as the tambling b4 buddy debate...

Ok, lets see how he goes, and we'll see how trav goes on fri nyt!! By the way I dont think Carton are ordinary opposition, both sides will be expecting to play finals this year and the amount of hype around the game should motivate the players even more...

 

[buzz123]

Sorry,

Richie wouldn't have qualified to play VFL then.. Yes Richmond finishes 9th alot, almost as original as the tambling b4 buddy debate...

Ok, lets see how he goes, and we'll see how trav goes on fri nyt!! By the way I dont think Carton are ordinary opposition, both sides will be expecting to play finals this year and the amount of hype around the game should motivate the players even more...

how many debutants do they have? like 5? playing against such an inexperienced side he should run amok, especially without the presence of taggers (why would they bother).

yes, the hype should motivate tambling, but whether he performs under pressure, or performs at all, remains to be seen.

think trav will bounce back from his disappointing grannie with a good performance on friday night, in a match that will actually contain some high class football.

 

[Glassjaw]

15 a piece, what a joke.

Varcoe may end up better, but he's not yet.

 

[GAJ!]

Tambling is the better of the two. Easily. Because Varcoe played in those finals GF doesn't make him a better player than Tambs. If Geelong had Tambling instead of Varcoe he would accomplish more than varcoe due to better all round skills. And I would say that he would be further along from training with the cats midfielders.

 

[STC]

Tambling now for sure. Not certain whether Varcoe will improve or not, but certainly right now Tambling is better.

 

[CrazyQ]

Varcoe will be better comfortably.

 

[buzz123]

has tambling had a touch?

 

[Azzleberry]

Good to see a few Geelong people have got up their and said that Bling is the better player at this moment...

However, on tonight's performance a lot of Richmond players would struggle to be better than any other player in the league..

I felt disgusted and humiliated to watch that, all the hype they built up and then they produce that performance.

 

[Azzleberry]

Round 1 Comparison

Kicks Handballs Disposals Marks Tackles Goals

Travis Varcoe: 4 5 9 3 4 1

Richard Tambling: 9 6 15 7 2 1


Neither player would be happy with their game this week. Tambling was shit in a shit side and Varcoe was shit in a good side for 3/4!!!

 

[jiphoc]

Varcoe is a great player but is flattered in the Geelong side. Having said that Bling needs to improve or he could be trade bait next year. Bling on just.

 

[STC]

Varcoe is a great player but is flattered in the Geelong side. Having said that Bling needs to improve or he could be trade bait next year. Bling on just.

I hardly see how Varcoe is a great player. He is talented in some areas, and is very quick, but he's definitely not a great player. He's also not flattered by the team either, we can afford to carry him but that doesn't make him look good.

 

[jiphoc]

I hardly see how Varcoe is a great player. He is talented in some areas, and is very quick, but he's definitely not a great player. He's also not flattered by the team either, we can afford to carry him but that doesn't make him look good.

He is 20 yo, a KPP and holding his own. How is that not a great player. Geelongs hero in Tommy "Big Mac" Hawkins isn't evan half as good as this kid. Will turn into one of the competitions best floating forwards.

 

[CrazyQ]

Varcoe isnt a KPP. He's a small forward/midfielder.

 

[Mr Mosquito]

Who gives a shit?

 

[HBK619]

He is 20 yo, a KPP and holding his own. How is that not a great player. Geelongs hero in Tommy "Big Mac" Hawkins isn't evan half as good as this kid. Will turn into one of the competitions best floating forwards.

Varcoe isnt a KPP. He's a small forward/midfielder.

LOL, either that guy is mixing the 179cm Varcoe up with someone or he doesn't know what KPP(Key Position Player/Prospect) means.

Anyway, IMO Tambling is FAR better than Varcoe, no bias really, I just think Varcoe is a shocking player, you always hear he is such a good tackler, but there is one simple reason for that, he doesn't get the ball and is always chasing arse, was exploited/found out MASSIVELY in the Grand Final.

Sure Tambling might not have played in a Grand Final, but that doesn't make any player better than another, duds can always find their way into a Grand Final team.

Tambling is a better player than Varcoe, Tambling might not be all that and might not be playing to his draft pick(Varcoe was a high draft pick too though, so contradiction?), but he is IMO a FAR better player than Varcoe is.

 

[rumblah]

I sincerely apologize for my misguided use of the english language and grammar!

Ok, where to start...

Yes, Yes the point about Buddy and Roughead has been well documented I believe.. Everyone makes mistakes I guess...

Again, good point, Tambling has yet to completely influence a game, however, each year he has shown improvement and that is all we can ask from a player.. That they improve and keep improving...

You say Trav is yet to turn 21, then u say he's 21, so im unsure of his age, none the less, Bling is only 22 and hence to say Varcoe has already achieved more than Tambling is a very big call!!

I notice you said that Trav already has plenty of finals and experience in finals games, however, when Varcoe won that VFL Flag, I believe Tambling was probably playing Regular First Team Football!!!

The magazine article you were reading was about "RICHOMAN" and how he cant go down as one of the greats of the game because he has no flag to his name. None the less he will go down as one of the greatest players at Tigerland!!!

Finally,
I have attached a comparison of 2008's stats for both Trav & Richard:

2008:
Varcoe: Matches: 16 Total Kicks: 98 Total Handballs: 87 Disposals: 185 Avg Disposals/Game: 11.6
Marks: 45 Avg Marks/Game: 2.8 Goals: 14 Tackles: 72

Tambling: Matches: 22 Total Kicks: 202 Total Handballs: 182 Disposals: 384 Avg Disposals/Game: 17.5 Marks: 113 Avg Marks/Game: 5.1 Goals: 10 Tackles: 72


It probably shows why Varcoe is part of a very strong geelong team, not to create or setup footy, not even to get huge amounts of the footy.. He is a defensive forward who has the job of applying pressure to the opponent's defenders and to maybe snag a couple of goals a game.. Although, this is a very integral part of the modern game.. However, I would argue that Tambo has a more vital role in his team!!

For a supposed 'goal sneak', is Tambling's 10 in 22 games really enough?

 

[CrazyQ]

Tambling isnt a goal sneak.

Why cant people watch footy? understand the ****ing game.

 

[rumblah]

Tambling isnt a goal sneak.

Why cant people watch footy? understand the ****ing game.

My point was when he was drafted I'm pretty sure the Richmond recruiters stated that he was an attacking mid who knew where the goals were. I could however be mistaken.

 

[HBK619]

For a supposed 'goal sneak', is Tambling's 10 in 22 games really enough?

My point was when he was drafted I'm pretty sure the Richmond recruiters stated that he was an attacking mid who knew where the goals were. I could however be mistaken.

So all players now need to play as they were drafted?

They can't adapt to a different position?

If you watched Tambling last year he played quite alot in the back half and just as a regular inside mid.

 

[rumblah]

So all players now need to play as they were drafted?

They can't adapt to a different position?

If you watched Tambling last year he played quite alot in the back half and just as a regular inside mid.

Fair point.