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One would hope that serious issues will take their place in the final week. However, experience suggests more silly hats and announcements of half-baked small barrels of various pig meat, with a plethora of re-announcements, and JLN candidates to not offer anything at all while doing their best old man yells at cloud impersonations.

(I'm an old man, therefore I'm allowed to yell at clouds. I earned that right well before the year dickety-dickety.)
It’s gonna be a ho hum week because of the afl team announcement on Monday that will remove oxygen for anything big until Wednesday.

There will be more stunts like this that frankly showed how idiotic it was by the first comment.

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I suppose the argument (stripped of the individual personalities and the claims around child abuse) is that the Tasmanian vote system is more party based than individual based so the votes belong to the party therefore you quit you don’t deserve to continue as representative. Similar argument could apply to the senate
 
I suppose the argument (stripped of the individual personalities and the claims around child abuse) is that the Tasmanian vote system is more party based than individual based so the votes belong to the party therefore you quit you don’t deserve to continue as representative. Similar argument could apply to the senate
not interested in stripping all the context out of why this is an issue for the libs in tassie

given the context matters especially when instead of dealing with their own issues they want to legislate a law change that they didn't take to the election that they called because they were unable to get their way in minority and spat the dummy
 
Nope a pretty accurate summation of the Tasmanian government I would think given the coverups
Source?
not interested in stripping all the context out of why this is an issue for the libs in tassie

given the context matters especially when instead of dealing with their own issues they want to legislate a law change that they didn't take to the election that they called because they were unable to get their way in minority and spat the dummy
They made the right decision. Two people who nobody voted for holding the government to ransom isn't stable.
 
not interested in stripping all the context out of why this is an issue for the libs in tassie

given the context matters especially when instead of dealing with their own issues they want to legislate a law change that they didn't take to the election that they called because they were unable to get their way in minority and spat the dummy
Are they not effectively taking it as a proposal to the election next week?

Edit and I strip the context because I don’t follow it to the minutiae detail to be able to comment on the context and the allegations of protecting pedophiles (as introduced in the quoted tweet) I don’t know if he meant as hypothetical or a reference to shit actually happening (given the honest government ad probably the latter). But I don’t know and do not have the time to really look.
 
are you saying that you are unaware of the history in Tassie around government coverups of child sexual abuse?


something that is still very much topical right now


They made the right decision. Two people who nobody voted for holding the government to ransom isn't stable.
its called politics Jazny, if you don't have a majority you have to negotiate with the cross bench and or opposition to pass policy

its actually better for democracy as more voters views get represented in this scenario


Are they not effectively taking it as a proposal to the election next week?
yeah i was reading some stuff that made me think they'd already reelected the libs when I think its more prepolling numbers are looking like they will

Edit and I strip the context because I don’t follow it to the minutiae detail to be able to comment on the context and the allegations of protecting pedophiles (as introduced in the quoted tweet) I don’t know if he meant as hypothetical or a reference to s**t actually happening (given the honest government ad probably the latter). But I don’t know and do not have the time to really look.
fair enough
I'm not really a fan of people vote for the party not the individual argument because you get both types of votes

this legislation change proposal just means that the parties have more control and makes it easier for them to maintain power, not a fan of that regardless of context

but specifically in tassie this is their response to the fact that over their last two terms they've not been able to keep their own shit together
 
are you saying that you are unaware of the history in Tassie around government coverups of child sexual abuse?


something that is still very much topical right now



its called politics Jazny, if you don't have a majority you have to negotiate with the cross bench and or opposition to pass policy

its actually better for democracy as more voters views get represented in this scenario



yeah i was reading some stuff that made me think they'd already reelected the libs when I think its more prepolling numbers are looking like they will


fair enough
I'm not really a fan of people vote for the party not the individual argument because you get both types of votes

this legislation change proposal just means that the parties have more control and makes it easier for them to maintain power, not a fan of that regardless of context

but specifically in tassie this is their response to the fact that over their last two terms they've not been able to keep their own s**t together
In the Tassie system can you vote for an individual? Genuinely do not know.
 
Source?

They made the right decision. Two people who nobody voted for holding the government to ransom isn't stable.
You vote for an individual not a party. If you don't understand that you have a false view of the the electoral foundations of our representational democracy at both the state and federal level.

And frankly the more elected representatives prepared to ditch party loyalty over a broken promise, scandal or poor policies to represent the values they got elected on the better for all of us.
 
In the Tassie system can you vote for an individual? Genuinely do not know.
You vote for the name of the candidate, there are no boxes to determine whether you picked them because of the party they represent or because you wanted to vote for them personally

its like the senate in the representative nature but people aren't doing above the line senate voting where they are actually just voting for the party and the candidates are ordered by party preference

in the senate you can vote below the line and vote specifically for the candidates you want

an example being I didn't vote for the greens I voted for Lidia Thorpe in the senate and I wasn't at all upset with her for leaving the greens, I was pissed off with the greens for how they treated her

others would be the opposite but its not a slam dunk that remove the person that was voted for at the election if they leave the party is going with the will of the voters

it is, however, definitely going with the will of the party
 

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are you saying that you are unaware of the history in Tassie around government coverups of child sexual abuse?

None of that story is about senior members of any political party actively protecting pedophiles in the community?
its called politics Jazny, if you don't have a majority you have to negotiate with the cross bench and or opposition to pass policy

its actually better for democracy as more voters views get represented in this scenario
So you don't know much about the circumstances in Tasmania recently then. Tucker and Alexander were constantly threatening no-confidence if they didn't get their way on certain issues. So two people that barely had any votes between them were trying to dictate the policies of Tasmania, that's not a sustainable or good way to govern.
 
None of that story is about senior members of any political party actively protecting pedophiles in the community?

So you don't know much about the circumstances in Tasmania recently then. Tucker and Alexander were constantly threatening no-confidence if they didn't get their way on certain issues. So two people that barely had any votes between them were trying to dictate the policies of Tasmania, that's not a sustainable or good way to govern.
Ah yes my mistake forgot who I was responding to.
Carry on
 
In the Tassie system can you vote for an individual? Genuinely do not know.
As has been noted previously by Nick Feik who wrote the expose of state protected child abuse within the Tasmanian state education system Gralin referenced earlier, the Tasmanian constitution has become a bunch of post-it notes in a bin fire, so who knows.

The fact is that a brain fart populist pre-election pledge to expel sitting MPs who change party allegiances is just yet another example of a government pursuing the wrong priorities for the poorest Australian state.
 
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None of that story is about senior members of any political party actively protecting pedophiles in the community?

The office of former Tasmanian police minister and current Deputy Premier Michael Ferguson received a police briefing note warning of child sex allegations against a senior officer before the force held a police funeral and full guard of honour for him, documents obtained by RTI show.

Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds, who served as a police officer for almost 40 years, died by suicide in September 2018, while he was under investigation by Tasmania Police.

The interim report into the police's handling of child sex allegations against Mr Reynolds found he groomed and sexually abused teenage boys between 1988 and 2018, largely in the state's north and north-west, and used his positions in community sport to abuse teenage boys.

The police funeral went ahead and included a full guard of honour. The commissioner of police attended and provided an official address on behalf of all Tasmania Police members.
 
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The office of former Tasmanian police minister and current Deputy Premier Michael Ferguson received a police briefing note warning of child sex allegations against a senior officer before the force held a police funeral and full guard of honour for him, documents obtained by RTI show.

Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds, who served as a police officer for almost 40 years, died by suicide in September 2018, while he was under investigation by Tasmania Police.

The interim report into the police's handling of child sex allegations against Mr Reynolds found he groomed and sexually abused teenage boys between 1988 and 2018, largely in the state's north and north-west, and used his positions in community sport to abuse teenage boys.

The police funeral went ahead and included a full guard of honour. The commissioner of police attended and provided an official address on behalf of all Tasmania Police members.
then there is the other former police minister Hidding who resigned after allegations he sexually assaulted a 14 year old when he was 26 and whose own son was found with CSAM recently

then there are the links between ministers and the various issues reported in the article I linked earlier

but yeah its Jazny they've already formed their opinion and any evidence they are wrong will be dismissed
 
That story doesn't say senior members of any political party covered up anything either? What are you guys talking about? It was about that disgusting police officer receiving full funeral honours despite Michael Ferguson being aware of a memo sent to him after his death about the allegations against him.

Why do people think that this tweet
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That story doesn't say senior members of any political party covered up anything either? What are you guys talking about? It was about that disgusting police officer receiving full funeral honours despite Michael Ferguson being aware of a memo sent to him after his death about the allegations against him.

Why do people think that this tweet
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is your problem that it hasn't happened yet without a law in place or that you think it would never happen in Tasmania given the revelations of the last decade or two about what happens in Tasmania?

The government has a history of covering up child sexual abuse

there is a 3000+ page report on in that has recently been tabled but Jeremy is more interested in stopping people that disagree with party policy from leaving the party than dealing with that issue
 
is your problem that it hasn't happened yet without a law in place or that you think it would never happen in Tasmania given the revelations of the last decade or two about what happens in Tasmania?
My issue is with people taking that tweet as though it is describing a real scenario that is happening in Tasmania. The last two decades uncovered a lot of horrible stuff that happens in government institutions, but the allegations aren't about either political party members covering things up to my knowledge.

I dont think I have an opinion on the Rockliff proposal about members of a party quitting forcing them out of their office. It is ridiculous that people who are only getting votes due to political party allegiance quitting and then going against what people voted for. Like if you voted for a Greens candidate and they suddenly became a RWNJ and quit the party and started to vote for de-forestation or something, that doesn't seem right. But I dont know, there are probably some cases when I would disagree with a member being forced out when they quit their party too. I dont have a strong opinion on it.
 
My issue is with people taking that tweet as though it is describing a real scenario that is happening in Tasmania.
that wasn't happening though
The last two decades uncovered a lot of horrible stuff that happens in government institutions, but the allegations aren't about either political party members covering things up to my knowledge.
then you haven't been reading literally anything on the topic, including what has been posted in this thread in response to you asking questions


I dont think I have an opinion on the Rockliff proposal about members of a party quitting forcing them out of their office.
oh cool, I assume everything you write after this will then in fact, not be an opinion on the above
It is ridiculous that people who are only getting votes due to political party allegiance quitting and then going against what people voted for.
How do you know they are going against what people voted for?
Did people vote for an AFL stadium?
Do people vote for every piece of legislation a party proposes?
Do politicians care if the polls show they don't have support from their own base for something they want to do?
The answer to all of these I believe is no


Like if you voted for a Greens candidate and they suddenly became a RWNJ and quit the party and started to vote for de-forestation or something, that doesn't seem right.
Interesting that you picked this particular scenario to go with, why would that be?
Is it because the actual examples you have access to, don't actually work like this and largely paint the Tassie government in a bad light and you don't like that?

But I dont know, there are probably some cases when I would disagree with a member being forced out when they quit their party too. I dont have a strong opinion on it.
For someone without a strong opinion, you've been pretty strongly in support of it

The primary purpose of an elected member is to represent the interests of their constituents who voted for them, not to represent the interests of the party they belong to. Democratically speaking of course, as reality is generally the opposite but you've been conflating the two in all your arguments so far.
 
that wasn't happening though
You said that tweet was "...a pretty accurate summation of the Tasmanian government I would think given the coverups"
then you haven't been reading literally anything on the topic, including what has been posted in this thread in response to you asking questions
I read them. The one about Michael Ferguson was not about Michael Ferguson covering anything up, just his decision to allow the full honours funeral to go ahead after he recieved a memo about allegations against the police officer.

The one you linked did not mention anything about senior members of any political party covering up sexual abuse claims.
oh cool, I assume everything you write after this will then in fact, not be an opinion on the above

How do you know they are going against what people voted for?
Did people vote for an AFL stadium?
Do people vote for every piece of legislation a party proposes?
Do politicians care if the polls show they don't have support from their own base for something they want to do?
The answer to all of these I believe is no
If they voted for a political party and not the candidate like I said, then they are voting for that party being in government as they prefer their policies or ideology.
For someone without a strong opinion, you've been pretty strongly in support of it
Have I? lol. What did I say that was strongly in support of it?
The primary purpose of an elected member is to represent the interests of their constituents who voted for them, not to represent the interests of the party they belong to. Democratically speaking of course, as reality is generally the opposite but you've been conflating the two in all your arguments so far.
Yes but those who voted for Alexander and Tucker in the last election probably weren't expecting them to quit over fake outrage over a stadium lol. I think they were wanting a stable Liberal government like the Liberals campaigned on. I dont think they represented their constituents very well.
 

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