Tas Tasmanian Election 2024

[Johnny Bananas]

Rockliff addressing the real everyday concerns of the average person.

 

[Festerz]

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Rockliff addressing the real everyday concerns of the average person.

Willy Rockliff's chocolate experience.

 

[geoffjennings79]

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Rockliff addressing the real everyday concerns of the average person.

Is this linked in some way to the new stadium? I'm sure the AFL are already considering marketing opportunities: all Hobart games will feature both teams in edible jumpers, after they run through a chocolate fountain in club colours instead of a banner to enter the arena...?!

 

[Festerz]

Has the current Tasmanian Government got any ideas that aren't taxpayer funded buildings?

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

One would hope that serious issues will take their place in the final week. However, experience suggests more silly hats and announcements of half-baked small barrels of various pig meat, with a plethora of re-announcements, and JLN candidates to not offer anything at all while doing their best old man yells at cloud impersonations.

(I'm an old man, therefore I'm allowed to yell at clouds. I earned that right well before the year dickety-dickety.)

 

[Financialpanther]

One would hope that serious issues will take their place in the final week. However, experience suggests more silly hats and announcements of half-baked small barrels of various pig meat, with a plethora of re-announcements, and JLN candidates to not offer anything at all while doing their best old man yells at cloud impersonations.

(I'm an old man, therefore I'm allowed to yell at clouds. I earned that right well before the year dickety-dickety.)

It’s gonna be a ho hum week because of the afl team announcement on Monday that will remove oxygen for anything big until Wednesday.

There will be more stunts like this that frankly showed how idiotic it was by the first comment.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

 

[Gralin]

 

[Jazny]

Qanon?

 

[Gralin]

Qanon?

Nope a pretty accurate summation of the Tasmanian government I would think given the coverups

 

[Crankyhawk]

I suppose the argument (stripped of the individual personalities and the claims around child abuse) is that the Tasmanian vote system is more party based than individual based so the votes belong to the party therefore you quit you don’t deserve to continue as representative. Similar argument could apply to the senate

 

[Gralin]

I suppose the argument (stripped of the individual personalities and the claims around child abuse) is that the Tasmanian vote system is more party based than individual based so the votes belong to the party therefore you quit you don’t deserve to continue as representative. Similar argument could apply to the senate

not interested in stripping all the context out of why this is an issue for the libs in tassie

given the context matters especially when instead of dealing with their own issues they want to legislate a law change that they didn't take to the election that they called because they were unable to get their way in minority and spat the dummy

 

[Jazny]

Nope a pretty accurate summation of the Tasmanian government I would think given the coverups

Source?

not interested in stripping all the context out of why this is an issue for the libs in tassie

given the context matters especially when instead of dealing with their own issues they want to legislate a law change that they didn't take to the election that they called because they were unable to get their way in minority and spat the dummy

They made the right decision. Two people who nobody voted for holding the government to ransom isn't stable.

 

[Crankyhawk]

not interested in stripping all the context out of why this is an issue for the libs in tassie

given the context matters especially when instead of dealing with their own issues they want to legislate a law change that they didn't take to the election that they called because they were unable to get their way in minority and spat the dummy

Are they not effectively taking it as a proposal to the election next week?

Edit and I strip the context because I don’t follow it to the minutiae detail to be able to comment on the context and the allegations of protecting pedophiles (as introduced in the quoted tweet) I don’t know if he meant as hypothetical or a reference to shit actually happening (given the honest government ad probably the latter). But I don’t know and do not have the time to really look.

 

[Gralin]

Source?

are you saying that you are unaware of the history in Tassie around government coverups of child sexual abuse?

The rotten core

A Tasmanian inquiry uncovered decades of catastrophic failure to protect young people in the state’s care and a bureaucratic tangle that sheltered their abusers

www.themonthly.com.au

something that is still very much topical right now

They made the right decision. Two people who nobody voted for holding the government to ransom isn't stable.

its called politics Jazny, if you don't have a majority you have to negotiate with the cross bench and or opposition to pass policy

its actually better for democracy as more voters views get represented in this scenario

Are they not effectively taking it as a proposal to the election next week?

yeah i was reading some stuff that made me think they'd already reelected the libs when I think its more prepolling numbers are looking like they will

Edit and I strip the context because I don’t follow it to the minutiae detail to be able to comment on the context and the allegations of protecting pedophiles (as introduced in the quoted tweet) I don’t know if he meant as hypothetical or a reference to s**t actually happening (given the honest government ad probably the latter). But I don’t know and do not have the time to really look.

fair enough
I'm not really a fan of people vote for the party not the individual argument because you get both types of votes

this legislation change proposal just means that the parties have more control and makes it easier for them to maintain power, not a fan of that regardless of context

but specifically in tassie this is their response to the fact that over their last two terms they've not been able to keep their own shit together

 

[Crankyhawk]

are you saying that you are unaware of the history in Tassie around government coverups of child sexual abuse?

The rotten core

A Tasmanian inquiry uncovered decades of catastrophic failure to protect young people in the state’s care and a bureaucratic tangle that sheltered their abusers

www.themonthly.com.au

something that is still very much topical right now



its called politics Jazny, if you don't have a majority you have to negotiate with the cross bench and or opposition to pass policy

its actually better for democracy as more voters views get represented in this scenario



yeah i was reading some stuff that made me think they'd already reelected the libs when I think its more prepolling numbers are looking like they will


fair enough
I'm not really a fan of people vote for the party not the individual argument because you get both types of votes

this legislation change proposal just means that the parties have more control and makes it easier for them to maintain power, not a fan of that regardless of context

but specifically in tassie this is their response to the fact that over their last two terms they've not been able to keep their own s**t together

In the Tassie system can you vote for an individual? Genuinely do not know.

 

[Festerz]

Source?

They made the right decision. Two people who nobody voted for holding the government to ransom isn't stable.

You vote for an individual not a party. If you don't understand that you have a false view of the the electoral foundations of our representational democracy at both the state and federal level.

And frankly the more elected representatives prepared to ditch party loyalty over a broken promise, scandal or poor policies to represent the values they got elected on the better for all of us.

 

[Gralin]

In the Tassie system can you vote for an individual? Genuinely do not know.

You vote for the name of the candidate, there are no boxes to determine whether you picked them because of the party they represent or because you wanted to vote for them personally

its like the senate in the representative nature but people aren't doing above the line senate voting where they are actually just voting for the party and the candidates are ordered by party preference

in the senate you can vote below the line and vote specifically for the candidates you want

an example being I didn't vote for the greens I voted for Lidia Thorpe in the senate and I wasn't at all upset with her for leaving the greens, I was pissed off with the greens for how they treated her

others would be the opposite but its not a slam dunk that remove the person that was voted for at the election if they leave the party is going with the will of the voters

it is, however, definitely going with the will of the party

 

[Festerz]

 

[Crankyhawk]

Thanks. I thought that this multiseat system they had was a type of above the line senate voting (as in only party vote) without individual candidates you can re number

 

[Jazny]

are you saying that you are unaware of the history in Tassie around government coverups of child sexual abuse?

The rotten core

A Tasmanian inquiry uncovered decades of catastrophic failure to protect young people in the state’s care and a bureaucratic tangle that sheltered their abusers

www.themonthly.com.au

None of that story is about senior members of any political party actively protecting pedophiles in the community?

its called politics Jazny, if you don't have a majority you have to negotiate with the cross bench and or opposition to pass policy

its actually better for democracy as more voters views get represented in this scenario

So you don't know much about the circumstances in Tasmania recently then. Tucker and Alexander were constantly threatening no-confidence if they didn't get their way on certain issues. So two people that barely had any votes between them were trying to dictate the policies of Tasmania, that's not a sustainable or good way to govern.

 

[Gralin]

None of that story is about senior members of any political party actively protecting pedophiles in the community?

So you don't know much about the circumstances in Tasmania recently then. Tucker and Alexander were constantly threatening no-confidence if they didn't get their way on certain issues. So two people that barely had any votes between them were trying to dictate the policies of Tasmania, that's not a sustainable or good way to govern.

Ah yes my mistake forgot who I was responding to.
Carry on

 

[Festerz]

In the Tassie system can you vote for an individual? Genuinely do not know.

As has been noted previously by Nick Feik who wrote the expose of state protected child abuse within the Tasmanian state education system Gralin referenced earlier, the Tasmanian constitution has become a bunch of post-it notes in a bin fire, so who knows.

The fact is that a brain fart populist pre-election pledge to expel sitting MPs who change party allegiances is just yet another example of a government pursuing the wrong priorities for the poorest Australian state.

 

[Festerz]

None of that story is about senior members of any political party actively protecting pedophiles in the community?

Ex-police minister's office notified of child sex abuse concerns before Paul Reynolds's honour-guard funeral

The office of former Tasmanian police minister Michael Ferguson received a police briefing note warning of child sex allegations against a senior officer before the force held a police funeral and full guard of honour for him, documents obtained by RTI show.

www.abc.net.au

The office of former Tasmanian police minister and current Deputy Premier Michael Ferguson received a police briefing note warning of child sex allegations against a senior officer before the force held a police funeral and full guard of honour for him, documents obtained by RTI show.

Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds, who served as a police officer for almost 40 years, died by suicide in September 2018, while he was under investigation by Tasmania Police.

The interim report into the police's handling of child sex allegations against Mr Reynolds found he groomed and sexually abused teenage boys between 1988 and 2018, largely in the state's north and north-west, and used his positions in community sport to abuse teenage boys.

The police funeral went ahead and included a full guard of honour. The commissioner of police attended and provided an official address on behalf of all Tasmania Police members.

 

[Gralin]

Ex-police minister's office notified of child sex abuse concerns before Paul Reynolds's honour-guard funeral

The office of former Tasmanian police minister Michael Ferguson received a police briefing note warning of child sex allegations against a senior officer before the force held a police funeral and full guard of honour for him, documents obtained by RTI show.

www.abc.net.au

The office of former Tasmanian police minister and current Deputy Premier Michael Ferguson received a police briefing note warning of child sex allegations against a senior officer before the force held a police funeral and full guard of honour for him, documents obtained by RTI show.

Senior Sergeant Paul Reynolds, who served as a police officer for almost 40 years, died by suicide in September 2018, while he was under investigation by Tasmania Police.

The interim report into the police's handling of child sex allegations against Mr Reynolds found he groomed and sexually abused teenage boys between 1988 and 2018, largely in the state's north and north-west, and used his positions in community sport to abuse teenage boys.

The police funeral went ahead and included a full guard of honour. The commissioner of police attended and provided an official address on behalf of all Tasmania Police members.

then there is the other former police minister Hidding who resigned after allegations he sexually assaulted a 14 year old when he was 26 and whose own son was found with CSAM recently

then there are the links between ministers and the various issues reported in the article I linked earlier

but yeah its Jazny they've already formed their opinion and any evidence they are wrong will be dismissed