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mightymagpie1999 said:
i think the worst was the decision to take VFL football away from North Hobart Oval. Sure bellerive Oval may have better facilities for footy however North Hobart oval had that great feel about it when you used to turn up on a saturday with the sunshining the old grandstands in the backround and the memories from old games gone by.It was a traditional home and it meant somthing to Tasmania unlike bellerive.
Absolutely 100% in agreeance with you. North Hobart Oval has something about it, that Bellerive lacks - Soul.
They've spent a fortune on Bellerive, it's a very smart looking corporate ground, but it just lacks something.
I've watched about three games of footy at the ground since all the new stands and pavilions were built and it's like being in a prison.
I think the team would win a lot more on North Hobart than Bellerive, facilities are light years better at Bellerive yes, but it isn't really needed for VFL footy.
Imagine the atmosphere of 12,000+ at North Hobart, hell I'd even go and have look, just to rekindle memories of the past when I'd stand amongst huge crowds there.
Shame to see North Hobart underutilised.
 
Oh Furious One said:
Why is it that the Devils have no reserves side?
Cost.

To fund a reserves side would double the travel cost alone.

But from a VFL Club perspective, not having a reserves side thoroughly defeats the purpose, particularly with the NM alignment.

It would cost a packet to travel an extra 22 or so players each week, and that has been the argument to date.

However, if the Devils concept is primarily about developing the best players in Tasmania, then thats what they need to do.
 
For What Its Worth I Also Think North Hobart Oval Is The Best Spectator Friendly Ground To Watch Football At . No Matter Where The Action Is You Can See It Clearly From Both Ends. In Saying That Facilties Not Up To Scratch. If The Council Or Who Ever Is Resposible Has Not Done It By Now It Will Never Happen ,sorry. I Also Hope Bolton Will Listen To The Public And Try Some New Younger Devils In The Squad Next Game. Nothing Against These Players B.careless A.mcvilly.b,atkin, M,geappen, And A Few Others,but To Prepare For Next Year Why Not Try And Experiment With Different Players. Some Of These Players Are Not Going To Get Any Better With Age. Mind You In Saying That They Have Given Great Service To The Devils And Were The Best That We Had. But Its Time To Blood More Younger Players Now Before We Lose Them To Other Interests. We All Know We Have Good Players Waiting For A Chance But They Will Not Wait Forever They Will Just Be Happy To Play For There Clubs And Not The Devils If Good Form Is Not Rewarded. I Saw The Devils Last Game And Belive Me Not Everyone Played Well.
 

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roorat said:
Agree with you, Kingpin.
Re Media coverage - Southern Cross does not cover local footy at all, I need to get scores from Win or look on this site(where you hear a lot better report any way)
Re Rebuilding locally - We need to get back and support our local clubs
who are struggling. Football Tas would be better off doing this and would probably improve their reputation to do so.
Clubs put in a lot of time, money and effort into their footballers from a Junior level up. When a player was drafted by the AFL the club was paid
set amounts when that player reached certain levels, Unfortunately Football Tas decided the money should go to them, this needs to be reversed and reward the clubs and local community for their effort.

You blokes should start a petition to get more local footy coverage on the tele. Take it to win and southern cross and show them just how much interest there is in it. As a former journo i had a hard time convincing those allocating air time that people still cared about local footy. I was a champion of the cause.
 
zippybunny said:
For What Its Worth I Also Think North Hobart Oval Is The Best Spectator Friendly Ground To Watch Football At . No Matter Where The Action Is You Can See It Clearly From Both Ends. In Saying That Facilties Not Up To Scratch. If The Council Or Who Ever Is Resposible Has Not Done It By Now It Will Never Happen ,sorry. I Also Hope Bolton Will Listen To The Public And Try Some New Younger Devils In The Squad Next Game. Nothing Against These Players B.careless A.mcvilly.b,atkin, M,geappen, And A Few Others,but To Prepare For Next Year Why Not Try And Experiment With Different Players. Some Of These Players Are Not Going To Get Any Better With Age. Mind You In Saying That They Have Given Great Service To The Devils And Were The Best That We Had. But Its Time To Blood More Younger Players Now Before We Lose Them To Other Interests. We All Know We Have Good Players Waiting For A Chance But They Will Not Wait Forever They Will Just Be Happy To Play For There Clubs And Not The Devils If Good Form Is Not Rewarded. I Saw The Devils Last Game And Belive Me Not Everyone Played Well.

Zippy Bunny
No. of Posts on exactly the same subject:
1054
'Get the young blokes in, young diennio. Hes great.'
 
Re Evvo. What A Sad Life You Have If You Being Critical Of My Same Comments Is All You Have To Do. Why Dont You Make Some Constructive Comments Rather Than Just Knocking Other Peoples Ideas. Please Tell Me What Your Thoughts On What Would Improve The Devils Would Be. I Know I Go On About Younger Players But What Would You Do. Would You Bring Back G,cooney,pud Darcy,l,gray,and A Few Other Old Timers Who Could Play Okay But Would That Improve Them. So Please Share Your Great Ideas With Us
 
If I could get a job in Sports Admin in Tassie (I've nearly finished a Sports Admin degree as a Mature Age student) then I'd be in a better situation to help out, such as doing something about radio coverage on local (community) radio - the cheapest way to make inroads (proven by the fact that 4 of the 6 Melbourne metro comps have a live radio coverage on Saturdays). I've done media work with one of the metro comp's for 5 years now so the knowledge I have may be enough to get something started.

Also, I have done other media such as club websites and newsletters (which could translate to some sort of magazine ... monthly?). The only problem is I am here and you guys are there and there is little in the way of sporting jobs a.t.m. anywhere but Sydney ... and who'd go there (even in a pink fit!) :eek:
 
zippybunny said:
Re Evvo. What A Sad Life You Have If You Being Critical Of My Same Comments Is All You Have To Do. Why Dont You Make Some Constructive Comments Rather Than Just Knocking Other Peoples Ideas. Please Tell Me What Your Thoughts On What Would Improve The Devils Would Be. I Know I Go On About Younger Players But What Would You Do. Would You Bring Back G,cooney,pud Darcy,l,gray,and A Few Other Old Timers Who Could Play Okay But Would That Improve Them. So Please Share Your Great Ideas With Us

Im not knocking your comments just the amount of times u post about the same thing. I agree bring in the young kids but by the same token if you lokk at the side of recent weeks a good 6-8 youngsters have been running around for them. Fielding, Riewoldt, Thorp, Wade, Hislop, R. Andrews, Delaney, Crawford, Howard...... Theres only so many that can demand a spot in the side. You cant play a team full of youngsters no matter how bad your going. This was evident in around rd. 10 wen about 4-5 blokes debuted and there was something like 12 youngsters in the side. They got belted by 100 points against a middle of the road side.
Improvements for the devils, well firstly we hav to decide wat the devils exist for.
Either
A) Create a pathway for young Tasmanians to the AFL or at least play at a very high standard comp
or
B) Win a VFL premiership

If its the first then scrap the allignment and play a soley Tassie side, where as if its the other then we need to realistically giv the allignment a chance.
I have my own personal views but the confusion over the devils actual purpose makes it difficult for everyone........
 
What are people's thoughts on tomorrows Bingley-Linton cup between Clarence and Glenorchy?? Both teams in the heritage strip. A win to Clarence would mean the big 3 have all beaten each other at least once and really open up the premiership door.
 
Evvo said:
Im not knocking your comments just the amount of times u post about the same thing. I agree bring in the young kids but by the same token if you lokk at the side of recent weeks a good 6-8 youngsters have been running around for them. Fielding, Riewoldt, Thorp, Wade, Hislop, R. Andrews, Delaney, Crawford, Howard...... Theres only so many that can demand a spot in the side. You cant play a team full of youngsters no matter how bad your going. This was evident in around rd. 10 wen about 4-5 blokes debuted and there was something like 12 youngsters in the side. They got belted by 100 points against a middle of the road side.
Improvements for the devils, well firstly we hav to decide wat the devils exist for.
Either
A) Create a pathway for young Tasmanians to the AFL or at least play at a very high standard comp
or
B) Win a VFL premiership

If its the first then scrap the allignment and play a soley Tassie side, where as if its the other then we need to realistically giv the allignment a chance.
I have my own personal views but the confusion over the devils actual purpose makes it difficult for everyone........

I agree that there is no clear idea of why the Devils were created, if it is to give young guys a crack at the big time then why the allignment and why would you play Wade who has already signed a contract with the TCA which should rule him out of playing any footy (I wonder why there is an exception for him? I know the Cricket coaches are less than happy).

If they are trying to win a VFL Flag then play all the old names and have the allignment so we can get some AFL listed talent. The Devils can't do both.

Like many on this forum I am less than happy with the direction has taken in Tassie and as an old Hobart supporter I can hardly force myself to wacth them anymore and feel no connection with the Lions. Unless you want to fork over half your weekly wage to travel to Big moonah (launceston) a few times a year to watch AFL then the only other option to watch decent football is the Devils. I am not a fan of the Devils at the moment but would hope that if the allignmnet was axed and local footy reverted to 6 teams (old TANFL teams with kingborough insted of Sandy bay) then there would be some future for the sport.

on a completely different matter, Can anyone explain to me why if club identity is so important to Kingborough that they could not have another Tigers they were happy to change their name from Kingston to Kingborough at the start of last season?:rolleyes:
 
bsg7 said:
What are people's thoughts on tomorrows Bingley-Linton cup between Clarence and Glenorchy?? Both teams in the heritage strip. A win to Clarence would mean the big 3 have all beaten each other at least once and really open up the premiership door.

I think Clarence will win by about 4 goals.
 
Re Evvo .good Points .i Have To Say I Like Your Plan A .reason Better Because They Would Still Be Competitive And I Believe They Would Get Good Public Support. I Can Only Hope That They Would Follow This Plan But I Doubt It. The Devils Will Be A Thing Of The Past By The Time They Wake Up. Even The Younger Guys That I Talk To Are Not As Keen To Play With The Devils Anymore Because They Just Do Not Seem To Think The Time Is Worth It For The Little Game Time They Might Get If Any At All . Some Players Apparently Have Done All Pre Season And They Called In Players Who Did None Ahead Of Them . Is This Good Treatment Of Those That Did It. But You Have Made Very Good Points Evvo Lets See Which One They Take.
 
TasBomber said:
....and why would you play Wade who has already signed a contract with the TCA which should rule him out of playing any footy (I wonder why there is an exception for him? I know the Cricket coaches are less than happy).
I've also heard that from a contact I know in cricket circles that the coaches aren't happy with Wade playing for the Devils.
I bet if it was any other player in that situation, they wouldn't be playing!

TasBomber said:
and as an old Hobart supporter I can hardly force myself to wacth them anymore and feel no connection with the Lions.
I hear ya! :(
I grew up in a family that had been involved at Cananore (Black & Gold) and Hobart (Black & Gold) from the early 1910's right through till they went through with this rediculous Lions proposal.
I walked away. Hobart Lions? Who are they? They mean sweet-FA to me.
If I wanted to watch a Lions team play I could've just gone to some amatuer league and adopted a team to watch wearing those jumpers.
When I was a baby, I came home from the hospital clutching a little furry Tiger, I had a Tiger baby-bath, I had a Tiger blanket, we had a dog called Tiger - I am NOT a Lion :thumbsdown:

TasBomber said:
Unless you want to fork over half your weekly wage to travel to Big moonah (launceston) a few times a year to watch AFL then the only other option to watch decent football is the Devils.
:D Big Moonah? I like it!
And what you say is right, there isn't any decent football played in Hobart apart from Devils, that's why people flocked to them.

TasBomber said:
I am not a fan of the Devils at the moment but would hope that if the allignmnet was axed and local footy reverted to 6 teams (old TANFL teams with kingborough insted of Sandy bay) then there would be some future for the sport.
I think in time, quite a few would start following their old clubs again, but like I say, they would need to regain the public's trust again.
TasBomber said:
Can anyone explain to me why if club identity is so important to Kingborough that they could not have another Tigers they were happy to change their name from Kingston to Kingborough at the start of last season?:rolleyes:
Well, I suppose when you've got the Huon region's answer to Eddie Maguire running the club, selective tradition is the key word.
Also, King(ston)borough has been an operating club across four different football leagues since 1895, and has worn at least three or four different coloured jumpers in that time - but don't tell them that, they'll be putting their hands over their ears going "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA Can't hear ya! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA."
At least Hobart - and the former club, Cananore (the former name of the suburb of West Hobart) always wore Black & Gold.
 

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bsg7 said:
What are people's thoughts on tomorrows Bingley-Linton cup between Clarence and Glenorchy?? Both teams in the heritage strip. A win to Clarence would mean the big 3 have all beaten each other at least once and really open up the premiership door.

Should be a great game. Interesting to see Matty Geappen as an emergency?? Clarence by 3 goals :thumbsu:
 
Kingpin said:
I grew up in a family that had been involved at Cananore (Black & Gold) and Hobart (Black & Gold) from the early 1910's right through till they went through with this rediculous Lions proposal.


Given you were probably around back then :))), why was the suburb name changed, and why did they choose to change to HFC?
 
jezza said:
Given you were probably around back then :))), why was the suburb name changed, and why did they choose to change to HFC?
I'm not quite that old Jezz :D
According to one of the old fellas up at Hobart who was involved with both clubs, he reckoned that Cananore was the original name for the suburb of West Hobart and early on played their games at a ground on the corner of Hill and Arthur Sts in West Hobart - the area is now a block of grey brick flats called Lawrenny Court, just over from the BP Service Station in Arthur Street.
They also played at the TCA Ground for some time there, and the club was known as the Canaries and wore a black jumper with a gold CFC monogram on the front - similar to WAFL club Claremont.
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Cananore playing Lefroy at North Hobart Oval in 1938
Pic: Courtesy of Hobart website

They were originally formed as a junior club in 1906, but made their TFL debut in 1908, playing up until the end of the 1941 season, when football was abandoned due to World War 2.
After the War, football resumed and clubs like Cananore and Lefroy were replaced in a newer, district based TFL by Hobart and Sandy Bay.
Technically, Hobart and Cananore were not the same club, the Hobart Football Club was formed on 19th December 1944 at The Continental in the city, my great grandmother, grandmother, and several other relatives of mine were at that meeting to start the new club.
It was kind of the old Sandy Bay/Southern Cats type scenario, a fair few of the same fans, same players, same colours etc.

According to some of the older folk, the Sandy Bay and Lefroy connection was similar, but not quite as recognised.

Also too, there was a significant number of Cananore people that were greatly miffed that Cananore was ousted from the TANFL after WW2, and many jumped ship across to following North Hobart, one reason why Hobart never built up a huge following in the TANFL.

The newer district-based TANFL which had its beginnings in 1945 (hence why pre-1945 TANFL was known as "Old Football") had North Hobart, Hobart, Sandy Bay, New Town (renamed Glenorchy in 1957) playing.
In 1947, Clarence and New Norfolk from the South East Football Association were added to the TFL - and that was your 6 district sides that formed the backbone of TANFL football up until 1985, and later on into the Statewide League.

There was an old fella that was a Hobart supporter who stood with us for many, many years by the name of "Old" Georgie Burns, who started watching Cananore in about 1922/23 and progressed to watching Hobart play in both the TFL and later into the SFL, he died about 4 years ago.
I'm glad he didn't have to see the club change its colours.

As to why the suburb's name was changed - no idea, sorry. :)
It happened probably 30 years before I was born.
 
bsg7 said:
What are people's thoughts on tomorrows Bingley-Linton cup between Clarence and Glenorchy?? Both teams in the heritage strip. A win to Clarence would mean the big 3 have all beaten each other at least once and really open up the premiership door.
Should be a good game that one, hopefully a good crowd turns out to watch it.
Clarence in their pre-1978 maroon with white V and what's the Glenorchy heritage strip?
All-black back with white numbers, white & black stripes down the front, black shorts and all-black socks?
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Something like this uniform? Taken during a Winfield Cup semi-final match against Hobart at North Hobart Oval in 1980.
Given that the Pies don't have the best of records over at Bellerive - not as bad as Hobart's I might add - I think the Roos will get up in a very close game by 8 points.
 
Kingpin said:

this is the article:

The Mercury said:
Police called in amid weekend of shame
By Brett Stubbs

July 25, 2006 12:00am

POLICE are investigating the alleged assault of an umpire in an ugly weekend of behaviour on Hobart sports fields.

In a series of incidents:

- A student umpire at Hutchins School was allegedly struck across the face with a hockey stick.
- A junior footballer was sent off after two striking incidents, later becoming involved in a post-match melee
- A team official at the same match abused Pip Boon, wife of former Australian cricketer David, reducing her to tears.

The alleged umpire assault took place after a Year 9 match between Hutchins and New Town High School.

Hockey South officials were notified of the incident yesterday and the boy, a student at New Town High School, has been stood down from further matches

At a Southern Tasmanian Junior Football League under-15s match between North Hobart and Sandy Bay on Sunday, a North Hobart player was allegedly involved in three separate incidents of violence.

Field umpire Cary Millhouse, a constable with Glenorchy Police, said the player was sent off, but came back on the field after the match to join a huge melee

He said Pip Boon, wife of former Australian cricketer David and Mrs Boon, mother of Jack who was playing for Sandy Bay, was abused by a North Hobart official.

"After the game he approached Jack Boon's mum, Pip, and accosted and abused her and reduced her to tears," said Millhouse, who played more than 300 games for Glenorchy, Hobart and Claremont. "I have written a report to AFL Tasmania."

AFL Tasmania regional manager Wayne Povey said he was waiting on reports from the match "but from what I understand both clubs have sorted themselves out."

"But these are issues we will look into. We don't walk away from any issue when you talk about youth-age footy," Povey said.

North Hobart Junior Football Club president John Gibb, STJFL president Tony Gibson and David and Pip Boon did not wish to comment on the incident.

Sandy Bay Junior Football Club president Stephen Hay said he had met with North Hobart yesterday and was satisfied with the outcome but would not elaborate.

now anybody who has been involved in the Hobart footy scene would know Cary Millhouse as both a champion player and a good bloke, and from all reports he handled this situation very well.

but the axe I intend to grind is not with Cary Millhouse...


at a meeting last night, TFLUA president (and AFL Tasmania Hall of Fame umpire) Nigel Hyland took it upon himself to inform the umpiring fraternity that under no circumstances whatsoever are TFLUA members allowed to talk to the media.

now, call me sensationalist (I am :D), but I find the TFLUA's stance on this issue to be both ridiculous and just a little bit hypocritical

in light of the recent controversy surrounding the AFL's cover-up of an incident involving Darren Goldspink, I'd have thought that our umpiring associations would be striving to make their affairs as transparent as possible. after all, Tasmania's young field umpires are being taught that transparency is an essential part of good umpiring (i.e. you explain your decisions as you make them), yet Hobart's premier umpiring organisation seems content to erect an 'iron curtain' between itself and the football community by banning its members from engaging in public discussion with

need I remind you that this is the same association who was more than happy to lend comment to a recent article singing the praises of Hobart's young field umpires in The Mercury?

ridiculous.

I might be an umpire, but I am a football fan first and foremost, and I find this stance to be both detrimental to the umpiring fraternity and detrimental to the football community as a whole

the gap is wide enough already - we don't need to widen it further with arrogant behaviour like this


*dismounts soapbox*

so what do you think about the issue? I want transparency at all levels, and I feel this policy of silence from the TFLUA is a step backwards in our ongoing quest to maintain a co-operative relationship between the umpiring fraternity and the players/supporters that make up Tasmania's football community
 
I haven't forgiven Nigel Hyland for costing Hobart colts a probable premiership a few years back against Glenorchy at KGV in the Preliminary Final.
A full 10 seconds after the final siren sounds - in which time Glenorchy happened to pick the ball up, run it forward and kick a goal to put them in front - did he finally hear the ******* siren :mad:
Always found Hyland to be a typical umpire - never wrong and always smug.
In relation to the matter, if the directive from the TFLUA is of no-correspondence with the media by its officials, and they all know that before they start - then that's how it is.
However, I don't necessarily agree with it.
I think a level of transparency would be a good thing, certainly.

I'd never been a great fan of that lot anyway, they shared the TCA Ground with Hobart and thought they were more important than the bloody players the way they used punce about, and demand the players only have small sections of the field, and always demanded on the players to sit around waiting for them to finally finish their training, waltzing around like a bunch of prima-donnas in the process.
Things may have changed in recent years in that regard, but when I was still involved with Hobart, I know for certain that they used to seriously sh*t the coaches off with their constant demanding attitude.

Who is David Boon putting the official complaint in about in relation to his wife being named? The Mercury? Cary Millhouse? AFL Tasmania?

He hasn't got a leg to stand on in any case. Give up Boonie!
Cary Millhouse - absolute champion bloke, great player for the Tigers and the two Pies.
Excellent goal-umpire too, didn't realise he was a "fieldy" as well.
 
AFLST Premier League
Clarence - Glenorchy at Bellerive Oval
New Norfolk - North Hobart at Boyer Oval
Kingborough - Hobart Lions at Kingston Beach Oval
Brighton - Lauderdale at Pontville Oval

AFLST Regional League
Huonville Lions - Kermandie at Huonville Rec. Ground
Dodges Ferry - Central Hawks at Shark Park
Lindisfarne - Triabunna at Anzac Park
Claremont - Cygnet at Abbotsfield Park
Channel - Sorell at Snug Park

NTFL
Penguin - Wynyard at Penguin Sports Ground
Launceston - South Launceston at Windsor Park
Ulverstone - Smithton at Ulverstone Rec. Ground
East Devonport - Latrobe at Girdlestone Park
North Launceston - Burnie Dockers at Aurora Stadium
Bye: Devonport

NTFA - Division One
Bridgenorth - Rocherlea at Parrot Park
George Town - Longford at Blue Gum Park

NTFA - Division Two
Evandale - Old Scotch at Evandale Rec. Ground
St Patrick's - University-Mowbray at St Patrick's Oval
Campbell Town - Tamar Cats at Campbell Town Rec. Ground
Perth - Fingal Valley at Perth Rec. Ground
Bye: Old Launcestonians

OSFA
DOSA - Richmond at Cadbury's Oval
Hutchins - University at Queenborough Oval
St Virgil's - OHA at New Town Oval

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Been a busy weekend, so I wasn't able to catch all the results from today's matches on a rainy day across the State.
In the Premier League, Glenorchy rolled Clarence at Bellerive, the Eagles won by about five goals over North at Boyer, Brighton had a convincing win overLauderdale at Pontville, and the Hobart Lions came from 36-points down in pouring rain at The Pit to defeated an extremely undisciplined Kingborough by 5 points.
Apparently Kingborough continued on in their ordinarily disciplined manner when they game was up for grabs and once again went the snipe, a number of reports against them, and a double fifty metre penalty costing them a goal.

In the Regional League, Lindisfarne demolished Triabunna by an ocean load, but not sure who won any of the others.

Will have full scores uploaded tomorrow night.
 
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