Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Angry Red Bull]

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Those charges Munro returned to face. He had no hope. They had him ccold.
I actually drove a 5000klm round trip in 6 days just to sit in the courtroom and watch his sentencing .

Please tell us about the more severe crimes.
That wouldn't have started with Andrew Mcintyre or a Journalist would it?
Plant a seed and watch it grow!!

Don't know the details..just found it suspicious he came home seemingly to avoid crimes in Asia and pled guilty here.

 

[Lyn]

Anthony/Tony Munro I think, not Andrew McIntyre. Munro became an important suspect after the alleged child's diary was published - see here. As Penfoldsfan has pointed out earlier, in some ways he's one of the best fits to the whole scenario.

If the dairy claim is true then it puts him, a known paedophile on the beach, on the same day. Odds of him being the perpetrator increase a lot. However, it is also claimed he has been investigated by police and cleared. What this actually entails I don't know. I have never seen documented. It could be some dodgy witness, a paedophile mate saying they spent the day drinking Coopers down at the Havey. If anyone knows I'd like to hear it.

Anything is possible

 

[Lyn]

About the oval girls, Suzie said recently, that the girls weren't the only ones being followed by this man, that there were other girls followed too..
It was the first time i'd ever heard her say that, I think it might have been on her reunion video on the anniversary they were taken!!
Sorry, not about the Beaumonts but it doesn't sound credible to me!!

Is that Suzie Ratcliff? I should learn all these first names.
You would have to wonder why she would say that if it wasn't true. Unless she had been instructed to suggest this by police, to flush something, or someone out.

 

[Lyn]

BTW I noticed I've been made a Team Captain. Yippee.

 

[Lyn]

There is a lot more to it than that.
It goes back to and is tied up with why he left in the first place.
There were rumours he was being investigated in Cambodia and I have absolutely no doubt he was offending there.

As I aaid they had him cold on the charges he returned to face. .
He knew what they had. and It wasn't ever going away .
Remember. You only know Munro exists because of Andrew Mcintyres ever evolving story cjanging from his father to Munro.
It should be said to never underestimate John Pikes involvement behind the scenes.
You lot think Munro is bad!!!! Lol.
Hes a rank amateur alongside Pike

Look at the numbers and tell me Im wrong!

And Pike had nothing to do with the Beaumonts either.

He only got 10 years, 5 years non parole? He was an ammeter.
Can't believe police looked into this guy, but not my POI.
Grrrrr

 

[Lyn]

Free settlement.
I blame the Poms, never sent us outlaws, that commit cool crimes like in the Underbelly episodes, we got Jack the Rippers masquerading as educated folk preying on the weak.
Its been a haven of depravity ever since.

I don't think Adelaide was big enough. Adelaide has to be near the top for serial killers. And a whole heap of depraved child molesters

 

[Lyn]

Royal Commission Into Institutional Child Abuse

Had your POI been reported via this he would have been looked at.

I know Munro
I know Pike

I know who did what.
I dont pretend to know the full extent.
Munro deserved everything he got. He did get a considerable credit on his sentence becase he pleaded very early.
Fun fact Pikes concurrent sentencing totals over 115 years feel free to fact check!
His consecutive was extended to 17 years not that long ago
I know which one of these two is more dangerous and it isn't Munro.
But neither of them are up for the Beaumonts

Yes, Pike does sound like an upstanding citizen.
That's one sick puppy. I will have to have a read on him.
Was Munro in part of the Institutional child abuse?
I am a little guilty of not knowing what others have done, as I am usually concentrating on my own guy.
The one thing SA should change, is the never to be released law. Like Qld has. A child sex offender, will always be a child sex offender. They don't just stop. Well my guy certainly didn't. Just a pity a lot of his other victims wouldn't go to court.

 

[Lyn]

Here's one for you. A very interesting update.
I've said that LW spent time helping at one of the rides.
Today I discovered that his mate, who actually worked there, was also a student teacher at the time.
Is there a way of finding out what schools he worked at?
So there were actually three brothers and another friend and LW who hung out at the side show.
I am not implying that any of the others were involved in the BC abduction, but a link
Thoughts

 

[johnymac1]

Here's one for you. A very interesting update.
I've said that LW spent time helping at one of the rides.
Today I discovered that his mate, who actually worked there, was also a student teacher at the time.
Is there a way of finding out what schools he worked at?
So there were actually three brothers and another friend and LW who hung out at the side show.
I am not implying that any of the others were involved in the BC abduction, but a link
Thoughts

The student teacher would have most likely gone to the Western teachers Collage. There are ways of searching the teachers postings. There was an influx of male teachers in the Vietnam war era. as they all signed up to avoid the draft. Some schools in that era were set up as demonstration schools. for the student Teachers to get hands on training. I've done some of research on this, as I think the Offender was most likely at Paringa Park Primary. Some Bikies were also on the BC case and come up with a name of a teacher. A high probability, they may have taken it a step further and confronted the individual.

Tip. If you go the various old scholars pages on FB and search your teachers name. He may have been mentioned in a post. (it depends if the page is set up to search. Usually, a feature at the top of the page) The teacher Iam tracking, I found his photo in a FB page.
there are a few PI's and Lawyers active on FB looking for various victims of teacher operating 60's 70's and 80's.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Here's one for you. A very interesting update.
I've said that LW spent time helping at one of the rides.
Today I discovered that his mate, who actually worked there, was also a student teacher at the time.
Is there a way of finding out what schools he worked at?
So there were actually three brothers and another friend and LW who hung out at the side show.
I am not implying that any of the others were involved in the BC abduction, but a link
Thoughts

Facts:

* There was grooming over many meets. Had to be to allow identakit man to be so trusted as to dress them

* That in turn means they either communicated when they'd next be there (unlikely due to being kids) OR that both knew they'd be there always. Ie Employee like carnival ride contractor. Likely.

* The fact identakit man may be employed there and regular visitor to Wenzels would be strong motivation not to be seen in the shop. Matches behaviour

Identakit man may have been older compatible with age description. 30 ish. A student teacher may fit the "boyfriend" reference being younger to attract a crush by Jane. Possible.

Im guessing that you'd need access to Dept Ed records to know where student teachers worked. 3 brothers? Wouldn't be Radan brothers would it?

 

[BonzaRam]

Facts:

* There was grooming over many meets. Had to be to allow identakit man to be so trusted as to dress them

Was there? How do you know that for fact?

Have you never met anyone who you instantly disliked for no apparent reason? or the opposite, instantly liked someone for no apparent reason? It is easier to charm children than it is adults simply due to the FACT that children have less life experience to draw on to make judgements. and are more trusting of adults.

Narcissists are very good at presenting as being a charming person, that is how they deceive people at the start. Due to this i suggest that the grooming you refer too can be done instantly and not necessarily over an extended time.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Was there? How do you know that for fact?

Have you never met anyone who you instantly disliked for no apparent reason? or the opposite, instantly liked someone for no apparent reason? It is easier to charm children than it is adults simply due to the FACT that children have less life experience to draw on to make judgements. and are more trusting of adults.

Narcissists are very good at presenting as being a charming person, that is how
they deceive people at the start. Due to this i suggest that the grooming you refer too can be done instantly and not necessarily over an extended time.

So your hypothesis is that the grooming that day alone was enough to build sufficient trust? So the 'boyfriend' comment was a Red herring on your scenario or unrelated. So too comments that Jane was mature and mistrusting of strangers. Perhaps it was a case of trusting because of the numbers of people and she'd planned to go home by bus absent losing or having money stolen

What I will concede is that kids at play tend to be more engaging with others to involve them in that play eg sprinklers. That can be a pathway to grooming especially for a skilled pedophile.

The choice is a very important one. I'll have a look back at facts and see if I can identify points which may influence the choice either way. I'll have a look at studies

 

[BonzaRam]

So the 'boyfriend' comment was a Red herring on your scenario or unrelated.

You answered your own question. There is no proof the boyfriend comment relates to their disappearance or the abductor. For that matter seen as the last (third) sighting of the children claims they were alone, the man in question they were playing with may not even be the abductor.

Speculation vs fact...

 

[CD Xbow]

Getting pretty saucy in here about matters which are only of speculation.
Sadly, the data is so poor it's easy to bend it one way or another, depending on your opinion and that often depends on how much weight you put on certain witness testimony.
What poor evidence there is has been muddied by decades of media interest, hoaxers, grifters and folks bringing there own special connection, usually to a person or group. When you bring a strong, set POV to a problem it doesn't usually aid in solving the problem, this is a general observation, not one just about crime.

 

[johnymac1]

Was there? How do you know that for fact?

Have you never met anyone who you instantly disliked for no apparent reason? or the opposite, instantly liked someone for no apparent reason? It is easier to charm children than it is adults simply due to the FACT that children have less life experience to draw on to make judgements. and are more trusting of adults.

Narcissists are very good at presenting as being a charming person, that is how they deceive people at the start. Due to this i suggest that the grooming you refer too can be done instantly and not necessarily over an extended time.

A few offenders appear to be Groomers opposed to Snatchers. I would put them in three groups according to their known MO

Snatchers-
Brown, Percey, BVE and Oneil

Groomers or Opportunists-
Monroe, Pike, Radan, West and Hart

Both- (these dudes fit into both categories)
Wilder.

Note: Phipps, its unknown he actually committed any offences against children, No Known reports, No known convictions.

 

[johnymac1]

Getting pretty saucy in here about matters which are only of speculation.
Sadly, the data is so poor it's easy to bend it one way or another, depending on your opinion and that often depends on how much weight you put on certain witness testimony.
What poor evidence there is has been muddied by decades of media interest, hoaxers, grifters and folks bringing there own special connection, usually to a person or group. When you bring a strong, set POV to a problem it doesn't usually aid in solving the problem, this is a general observation, not one just about crime.

The BC thread always is heated, Crime Stoppers lock the thread so there is no discussion

 

[BonzaRam]

So your hypothesis is that the grooming that day alone was enough to build sufficient trust?

We know that their father dropped them at the beach on his way to work the day before they disappeared and they caught the bus home by themselves. So if I was going to speculate on that I would say 2 days was enough, bearing in mind I have no idea how many other times they were at the beach by themselves during them school holidays.


As an aside, I do find the concept of an itinerant worker being involved quite plausible.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

We know that their father dropped them at the beach on his way to work the day before they disappeared and they caught the bus home by themselves. So if I was going to speculate on that I would say 2 days was enough, bearing in mind I have no idea how many other times they were at the beach by themselves during them school holidays.


As an aside, I do find the concept of an itinerant worker being involved quite plausible.

Yes I was thinking 2-3 times.

I will do some homework to see what I can find about how long grooming might take

Just prelim but early stages are:

Find victim to target
Gain access
Develop trust
Isolate

 

[jason_recliner]

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If this is what passes as facts its best I leave this forum permanently.
an example of your idea of facts is talking about Munro running from more serious charges because you cant rationalise any other answer.
The FACT you dont know anything doesn't stop you presenting and spreading what you think you know.

Thoughts and opinions are not facts in the world I live in.

Yep.

A fact is that a witness reported in a statement seeing three kids who could be the Beaumonts playing with a young looking man at Glenelg beach.

It's not hard.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

A few offenders appear to be Groomers opposed to Snatchers. I would put them in three groups according to their known MO

Snatchers-
Brown, Percey, BVE and Oneil

Groomers or Opportunists-
Monroe, Pike, Radan, West and Hart

Both- (these dudes fit into both categories)
Wilder.

Note: Phipps, its unknown he actually committed any offences against children, No Known reports, No known convictions.

Thanks for that

Brown actually did grooming of immediate family. When he went past extended family he then became a snatcher and of multiple victims..

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I have no idea who is responsible for the Beaumonts disappearance. And to piss everyone off its not high on my radar.
I put more time and effort into looking after myself and try to forget what I do know.

I do know who didn't do it.
I have many decades of experience with Pike and Munro.
I dont care if angry ant doesn't believe me. His version of facts relating to Munro is solely from the internet. How many of Munros victims are on his speed dial? Then there is Pikes. Thats a much bigger number.
I know these people and have done a very very long time. Many of them are close friends


The only reason anyone knows Munros name is a story told by Andrew Mcintyre. The same story that I first heard in Pikes house in the 90s where Munro was sitting at the table because he was travelling with Andrew.. Munro did not enter that story until the 2000s after he had left for cambodia ending a gravy train that had been going for a very long time. Silence was expensive. The whole david smith story?
Look at where it came from. I cant stand that journalist and have zero trust or time for anything that originates around him.
Absolutely everything people know about Munro goes back to Andrew Mcintyres story as the origin.


The Royal Commission Into Institutional Child Abuse and Police had Munro cold and he knew i
No I wont talk about it . The privacy of the people I know is important.
And angry ant, postulate all you like. . You dont have a clue what police had. .Your insistence im wrong because you are an online law expert as well is hilarious.

You can all believe what you like.

I cant help with the Beaumonts. Other than to conclusively remove a suspect based on lived experiences .
Im well aware Im not believed.
I dont care,

Goodbye

If you know nothing of Beaumont case or perp then why exactly are you here giving us/ me a rant? You know Pike and Munro personally. Ok. Point being?.....that they are evil? Ok understood that already..

This is after all the Beaumont child thread for the purpose of discussing the unsolved case.

 

[Kurve]

Okay, let's calm the farm folks. Ta.

 

[CD Xbow]

The BC thread always is heated, Crime Stoppers lock the thread so there is no discussion

Yes, I think you are right. Why is it so?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

I should really apologise for bringing Munro's name back to the surface, it was never to suggest he was responsible for the crime but rather that there are known predators such as him that can actually be made to 'fit' due to age, aquaintances, frequency to location, historical crimes, even being in the scouts.
So just being a shit person at the time and in the vacinity doesnt necessarily make you a killer.

 

[YaNaNooNaNooNaNooNaNa]

It's a cover-up perpetrated at the highest level...

Mulligan Report suppressed for 80 years; Barry Heaven's report discarded even though he got close enough to be warned to back off; only BSVE in prison for the Family Murders; deliberately fabricated 'witnesses' long after-the-fact and their bogus statements; media never allowed to talk to the Beaumont parents; original law enforcement paperwork from the investigation ruined or screwed up after being digitized; waiting so long that nobody cares or remembers or is deceased; web-based 'sleuths' who do no investigations other than looking at info online...

And on it goes...

It was a circle of people of supposed 'high distinction' in society and the real truth may never be revealed... more details coming ASAP.