Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[newbie11]

The press thought this was Mr and Mrs Beaumont their children and an unidentified woman.

Okay? And ... so the press made an assumption without checking their facts first. Like somebody had to take the photo?
They obviously never went to go have any professional family photos taken with all of them together?

that photo has gone through several rounds of printing, scanning, reprinting, rescanning.

What do you think this means? It means people have reused the photos? Taken the printed photo, scanned it and reprinted it again for their own article.

I've literally demonstrated on the pixel level that there is no cut out lines, at this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Provide some evidence of your claims.

 

[bomberclifford]

To be clear, my post was pointing out why the image looks the way it does, not to suggest that it has been deliberately altered.

I'd also add that the image artefacts that show up on the image posted here are in keeping with the print production methods in the 70s. (An 'Image Artefact' refers to visible imperfections or distortions in an image that are a result of the rendering process)

 

[diorama]

That's not a question that can be answered, it's entirely dependent upon how deep a burial occurred? I would assume no special provisions would have been made because as you just said "buried in the backyard" and then you're talking about buildings ect. So there is no where a line can be drawn; how about for a new drive-way? A pool? A new shed?

If anyone has experience in home construction and/or associated planning and regulations, i was fairly hopeful that they'd be capable of quantifying the depths at which the bodies would need to be buried to eliminate future excavation as a concern.

And, wildly optimistic as it may be, i'd also hoped they'd be capable of distinguishing an entire block from a driveway, pool or shed where the limited area would make ignoring or just not seeing bones significantly more unlikely.

 

[newbie11]

If anyone has experience in home construction and/or associated planning and regulations, i was fairly hopeful that they'd be capable of quantifying the depths at which the bodies would need to be buried to eliminate future excavation as a concern.

And, wildly optimistic as it may be, i'd also hoped they'd be capable of distinguishing an entire block from a driveway, pool or shed where the limited area would make ignoring or just not seeing bones significantly more unlikely.

I'm sorry can you rephrase this, it's been a long day at work. Just having a difficult time understanding what your saying

 

[newbie11]

Mainly web stuff, tiny bit of C and an old language called Purebasic. I'm a mug programmer. Had a go at a game decades ago - https://sourceforge.net/projects/mekarcade/ What a stupid idea. I do have one bit of advice to young folks who want to do a 3D game, and this has been codified rule #33 of a happy life - #33 If you want to make a 3D game use the Unreal Engine. .

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[johnymac1]

I've spoken to the person who was filming it..

The current land owners of the Stansbury site; (as best my knowledge) are uncooperative. This means that police must obtain a search warrant and there's zero evidence to suggest any crime has occurred so NIL chance of getting one granted by a judge.

The two have surfaced over the years and even posted in big footy, it was really hard for them.
Firstly, coping with the loss of their dad and dealing with his dementia and or mental illness.

I have dealings with dementia patients daily, it's hard to comprehend their tales some days.

with mm's interview, they needed to be more understanding of his condition

 

[newbie11]

I had to look that one up. So what method do you use to compare a photo with a sketch. Analyse if the photo is same person as in the sketch.

In this case, I would perform the analysis myself. I’ve been gradually developing software over the past few years specifically for use in medicine. It utilises facial analysis to perform its functions. Since the sketch is not a real photograph, it should not be used for technical comparison, as this would only lead to inaccurate results

Comparison software typically uses convolutional neural networks (CNNs) to identify unique facial landmarks and encode them into mathematical representations (feature vectors)... The vectors capture the spatial and geometric relationships of facial features, such as the eyes, nose, and mouth. The software then compares the feature vectors using distance metrics to calculate a similarity score. Thresholds are applied to determine whether two faces match

Additionally, futher challenges exist with the sketch; things like the lack of detailed contouring ect this only would further compromise the results. If it helps, I can draft profile assessments for comparison?

 

[wheretheresawill]

To be clear, my post was pointing out why the image looks the way it does, not to suggest that it has been deliberately altered.

I'd also add that the image artefacts that show up on the image posted here are in keeping with the print production methods in the 70s. (An 'Image Artefact' refers to visible imperfections or distortions in an image that are a result of the rendering process)

Here is the other photo taken with Mr B and the children probably minutes apart.



This looks to be the condition of original.



I'm making observations on size irregularities, the hands, cutouts around Janes head and right arm and Arnnas hair on her head.

How do you explain the black lines around her head and arm when for comparison from the same time and place on the same film the other photo had none that showed up from the original?

Just my observations and I'm not sure when compared to the police confirmation of the childrens visit to Wenzels with the pound and the beach after is important.

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[wheretheresawill]

Okay? And ... so the press made an assumption without checking their facts first. Like somebody had to take the photo?
They obviously never went to go have any professional family photos taken with all of them together?


What do you think this means? It means people have reused the photos? Taken the printed photo, scanned it and reprinted it again for their own article.

I've literally demonstrated on the pixel level that there is no cut out lines, at this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Provide some evidence of your claims.

It was 2017 and plenty of photos of Mr B especially at the same place and time so lazy journalism not to check. I wouldn't be that hard on the reporter though. He did have look to have his arm around Mrs B and the rake hand on Janes head. In those circumstances an easy mistake to make.

I don't know what you have literally demonstrated without repeating the processes and I've given my observations. I don't think I've argued with or even responded to you before and surprised at your reaction to a photo which looks to be of little importance.

Perhaps you should ask people to provide evidence when they think up a suspect that doesn't match known facts confirmed by police? Who wasn't tall, between mid to late 30s, talked to a couple sitting on a bench and most likely gave them a pound to buy a bag full of buns, pasties, drinks and a pie in a confirmed bakery sighting, while pretending to look for their money he said was lost.

 

[newbie11]

Here is the other photo taken with Mr B and the children probably minutes apart.

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This looks to be the condition of original.

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I'm making observations on size irregularities, the hands, cutouts around Janes head and right arm and Arnnas hair on her head.

How do you explain the black lines around her head and arm when for comparison from the same time and place on the same film the other photo had none that showed up from the original?

Just my observations and I'm not sure when compared to the police confirmation of the childrens visit to Wenzels with the pound and the beach after is important.

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Beaumont children at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

There's no cut out lines, there's no black out-line. There's no image alterations. There's no rake hand. There's no Anna's hair on Jane's body. Your accusation lacks reasoning, lacks any substance; like even if what your saying were true- what does is suggest? Nothing?
What difference does it make? Not a thing.

Frankly, I'm tired of this debate. Believe what you want, you've still not put forward any evidence whatsoever; this tells me you're not interested in following where the evidence leads - you prefer preconceived conspiracies.. not my problem

 

[newbie11]

It was 2017 and plenty of photos of Mr B especially at the same place and time so lazy journalism not to check. I wouldn't be that hard on the reporter though. He did have look to have his arm around Mrs B and the rake hand on Janes head. In those circumstances an easy mistake to make.

I don't know what you have literally demonstrated without repeating the processes and I've given my observations. I don't think I've argued with or even responded to you before and surprised at your reaction to a photo which looks to be of little importance.

Perhaps you should ask people to provide evidence when they think up a suspect that doesn't match known facts confirmed by police? Who wasn't tall, between mid to late 30s, talked to a couple sitting on a bench and most likely gave them a pound to buy a bag full of buns, pasties, drinks and a pie in a confirmed bakery sighting, while pretending to look for their money he said was lost.

Yep, I'm an idiot. Don't worry about me, I don't have a clue what I'm doing, or what I'm talking about.

Like your saying perhaps I should ask people to provide evidence when they think up a suspect ect ect.
Then you go on to describe a suspect without providing the evidence? Haha like wtf?

I provide evidence, sources or explain my thought process; why/ how/what) behind every claim I put forward. Like if you don't understand something, then instead of just being like "No. No. No. No - we're gaslighting - this & that"
Just ask?

Because we're not wrong, the photo isn't digital. So this is pretty much to the full extent that a analysis can be performed.

 

[FR0GGY]

Not sure if it’s been posted before but a photo I saw on Facebook of the search in the Pat from 1966

 

[newbie11]

Not sure if it’s been posted before but a photo I saw on Facebook of the search in the Pat from 1966
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Search online in the State library of South Australia, there's a bunch of photos from during this time and ariel photos of the surrounding area. Anyone who has interest in the Mr. Satin man theory, there's a bunch of photos related the factory ect

 

[Lyn]

In this case, I would perform the analysis myself. I’ve been gradually developing software over the past few years specifically for use in medicine. It utilises facial analysis to perform its functions. Since the sketch is not a real photograph, it should not be used for technical comparison, as this would only lead to inaccurate results

Comparison software typically uses convolutional neural networks (CNNs) to identify unique facial landmarks and encode them into mathematical representations (feature vectors)... The vectors capture the spatial and geometric relationships of facial features, such as the eyes, nose, and mouth. The software then compares the feature vectors using distance metrics to calculate a similarity score. Thresholds are applied to determine whether two faces match

Additionally, futher challenges exist with the sketch; things like the lack of detailed contouring ect this only would further compromise the results. If it helps, I can draft profile assessments for comparison?

Thanks Newbie. You have a wealth of knowledge. So are you saying that you visually analyse the sketch and photo, specifically looking at certain features? Is this how you did my analysis? Or was it obviously? I would like data to add to my report. Being a 'slippery fit' is probably not technical enough for a police report.
Any help is appreciated

 

[Lyn]

Can you repost the best photo you have of him Lyn?

Ok. I will have to find it. Thanks

 

[Lyn]

OS = Open Source
Forensically = website with tools for analysing authenticity of images.
https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#forensic-magnifier
Very instructive video by Jonas (the dev)

Thanks I will have a look

 

[Macka_321]

So tomorrow will be 59 years since this occurred can’t believe it’s still unsolved.

 

[Lyn]

59 years, with no real leads. Someone must/have known something. My feeling is regardless of who they are, after a brazen abduction and murder of three young children, their demeanor would have changed to some degree.
Who knew I was at Glenelg on that day? Can anyone identify me? Can anyone link me to the clothes? Are people close to me suspicious? Will the bodies be found and links made to me? Did I dispose of the bodies completely? Did I get away with it?

 

[diorama]

Who knew I was at Glenelg on that day?

We don't know for sure that he was. The children were definitely in one location that day - Somerton Park. A preponderance of witness statements makes it highly probable they were in Glenelg. (edit: Near home) at Harding Street, Somerton Park as their intended destination after Glenelg is a possible final location for the day.

It's entirely possible, based on Arnna's "boyfriend" comment to her mum, that the guy they were mostly seen with at the beach (sketch guy) was doing nothing more sinister than amusing the kids his son played with the day before, dropped them near home, and the Adelaide Oval guy stepped in. Multiple-child abductions are too rare to expect different perpetrators in one city. Working backward from that, Mary Hattam in Ceduna, 1958 also looks possible. Police were too focused on hanging an Indigenous man to ever seriously attempt to find out who actually did that to her. That might be a motivator behind a January 26 abduction. If he's on a 7-1/2 year cycle, his previous murders were probably in Korea, WWII before that. He's probably hidden away somewhere in the death notices by 1981.

The rest of what you described are fairly normal human reactions. And you could be right. I really hope you are, he deserved some serious anxiety at the very least in the absence of consequences. Until we've got a set of bones and a diary confessional leading to them, we don't really know if the abductor and probable murderer had anything like normal human reactions. I was preyed upon from a young age by a number of people, primarily a pedophile whose father was a cop, then others with probable connections to him and his network. He wasn't seriously prosecuted until his dad died. He routinely, publicly taunted adult survivors, operating with a level of confidence in impunity his familial connections afforded him. Even in a court room full of people who wanted his blood, he said "I thought they enjoyed it". The perpetrator probably won't have normal human reactions, and probably will have either some close connection to power, or a previous comfortable escape from consequences reinforcing his behaviour - possibly both.

 

[johnymac1]

59 years, with no real leads. Someone must/have known something. My feeling is regardless of who they are, after a brazen abduction and murder of three young children, their demeanor would have changed to some degree.
Who knew I was at Glenelg on that day? Can anyone identify me? Can anyone link me to the clothes? Are people close to me suspicious? Will the bodies be found and links made to me? Did I dispose of the bodies completely? Did I get away with it?

With your person of interest. Is there anybody still alive that could have seen him leave the sideshow area?

 

[TimZoo]