Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[Quazza]

traded Cripps OUT of my Super Coach team this week

yet to come to terms with it

 

[thylacine60]

You ok, Q?

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

AFL website doing some of it's finest, as usual. Don't ever change AFL media department. Your attention to detail is just sensational.

Must have mistaken his tat as a birth mark.

 

[RoyalParade]

Watching Sydney and Hawthorn tonight, if that's where we want to be then we are a long way off. With the amount of teams in the comp, the advantages that top sides have in regards to players wanting to be there and the way the draft is setup, it's a bloody long road! Either they change the draft or we have to be crazy good with our drafting and trading to get there any time soon.

Bulldogs did it

 

[gbatman]

Bulldogs did it

More don't than do, there are always examples of the teams that do.

 

[footyfan1978]

More don't than do, there are always examples of the teams that do.

Hence showing it can be done if you have a smart switched on recruiting team with a strategy that fits list management for short and long term.

 

[gbatman]

Hence showing it can be done if you have a smart switched on recruiting team with a strategy that fits list management for short and long term.

Showing it can be done but much more unlikely than likely.

The AFL capped football department spending because they don't want teams having an advantage by having stronger football departments. To me this shows the AFL can't be relying on bottom sides "having their shit together" and having a reliance on them being perfect to get themselves up.

The system doesn't support the game as a whole.

 

[footyfan1978]

the AFL can't be relying on bottom sides "having their shit together" and having a reliance on them being perfect to get themselves up.

Nor should they.
Having some equalisation policies so a few clubs do not dominate is one thing.
Having a policy that says that all the premierships should equally get shared over a time period for all clubs is nonsense.
All the AFL should ever do it make sure the opportunity for all clubs to have a chance be possible. The system they adopted has proven over the long haul to do what they intended. Many more clubs have won premierships since 1989 than just an elite few.

It would be boring if we just knew all 18 clubs would win a premiership over 18 years which some seem to think is the policy to the nth degree that should be in place. It seems you want it even more set up to reward being crap and penalise being a well run club. If anything it has become almost too equal. As long as well run clubs can still create a dynasty for an era it is encouraging to me the system has not gone too far the other way from what it was in mid to early 80's. There has got to be room for good clubs to still get above the pack and crap clubs still stuff themselves up. Long may that still exist in football.

 

[gbatman]

Nor should they.
Having some equalisation policies so a few clubs do not dominate is one thing.
Having a policy that says that all the premierships should equally get shared over a time period for all clubs is nonsense.
All the AFL should ever do it make sure the opportunity for all clubs to have a chance be possible. The system they adopted has proven over the long haul to do what they intended. Many more clubs have won premierships since 1989 than just an elite few.

It would be boring if we just knew all 18 clubs would win a premiership over 18 years which some seem to think is the policy to the nth degree that should be in place. It seems you want it even more set up to reward being crap and penalise being a well run club. If anything it has become almost too equal. As long as well run clubs can still create a dynasty for an era it is encouraging to me the system has not gone too far the other way from what it was in mid to early 80's. There has got to be room for good clubs to still get above the pack and crap clubs still stuff themselves up. Long may that still exist in football.

Never suggested that, my proposed change to the draft wouldn't cause that it would just cause teams to spend less time in the bottom and top 4 which in my opinion is a problem.

The system has been equal until recently. The draft is much closer to an exact science now, draft order actually matters now where as in the 90's and 80's it was hardly relevant. The game has also changed to be more about team and zoning and rotations meaning that an individual has far less of an impact than they used to. This is why it needs changing.

 

[F_therest]

Bulldogs did it

They have actually recruited well over the last 5 years...we've been abysmal

 

[Jabba73]

Dogs haven't won anything yet, best to reserve judgement on the success of their drafting until they do.

 

[footyfan1978]

Dogs haven't won anything yet, best to reserve judgement on the success of their drafting until they do.

2010 rookie draft picked Dahlhaus and Johannisen. Fair effort there on it's own.
Father-Son picks Mitch Wallis and Libba2 as father son picks for picks 22 and 44 is pretty fortunate.

2011
pick 17 Clay Smith and Tory Dickson pick 57 also fair effort.
Pre-season draft grabbed Fletcher Roberts and project types of Lin Jong, Tom Campbell and Jack Redpath all in rookie draft.

2012 Stringer pick 5, Macrae pick 6, Koby Stevens pick 43 and Lachie Hunter pick 49 is another draft period you would have to call on plus side for third year in a row. Hunter at pick 49 is serious good value on it's own.

ok, 2013 next
The Bont at pick 4

Enough said.
Four years in a row of ticks at draft table.

2014
pick 26 Toby McLean and pick 46 Caleb Daniel.
Still early days for those two but gee, still ready to already call that another win at draft table five years in a row.

Next season they made finals in a cracker of a game with Crows.

2015 draft period
pick 25 Josh Dunkley (played well today)
pick 26 Kieran Collins
pick 35 Marcus Adams (great get)
pick 48 Bailey Williams

2016 they presently in the top 4 and I reckon a good 75% of the team is created from these 5 draft periods.

I do not know about you but I call that drafting more than just well over last 5 years.

Same period we were using our draft picks to flush down the toilet and only got Cripps really to show as one clear cut positive tick of use.
To say I am happy we got rid of the past recruiters to appoint SOS with an actual strategy would be an understatement. Over the bloody moon the nightmare of idiots before are gone.

I will however say Dogs in my opinion paid overs for Tom Boyd however the rumours abound that decision of big bucks splashed was coming from over the recruiters head. They need Tom Boyd to turn into what Alistair Lynch did for Lions to make a win on that trade and pick given away of pick 6.
Their drafting people can not really be faulted.
To me what they done at draft table ranks up there with what the guy Wells did at Geelong a good decade or so ago.
Incredibly they have drafted the influx of talented youth over five years with only three of those picks being really early picks.
They got themselves into a position of being in the mix with the top of ladder teams now.
Considering all the early picks given to Gold Coast and GWS in same period they have been the champs at draft table in recent history in terms of getting maximum value for the picks they had on draft days.

 

[Malifice]

Pretty much on the money. Sounds like a few people here got ahead of themselves after some unexpected good performances from a list that should have been stretching it to get 6 wins all season.

I hear people suggesting we'll be inside the top 8 in two-three years.

Which scares the shit out of me. Its going to take longer than that. We only got those wins this year on the back of some decent performances by a bunch of 26+ year older players. Simpson, Rowe, Murphy (before injury), Gibbs etc.

For mine, we shouldnt be thinking of finals till 2020+. Between now and then, its getting the list in as good a shape as we can for a 5 year window starting 2020.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Can't erase years of inept drafting this soon.

Really need to nail the next few drafts to build something sustainable.

There was a post somewhere on our board looking at the Bulldogs recent drafting. They've really struck gold with father-sons and great drafting in the last 4-5 years to set themselves up right now.

 

[Malifice]

Can't erase years of inept drafting this soon.

Really need to nail the next few drafts to build something sustainable.

There was a post somewhere on our board looking at the Bulldogs recent drafting. They've really struck gold with father-sons and great drafting in the last 4-5 years to set themselves up right now.

And we need to do the same. If last year was year one, then we have at least 3-4 to go.

 

[mediumsizered]

I hear people suggesting we'll be inside the top 8 in two-three years.

Which scares the shit out of me. Its going to take longer than that. We only got those wins this year on the back of some decent performances by a bunch of 26+ year older players. Simpson, Rowe, Murphy (before injury), Gibbs etc.

For mine, we shouldnt be thinking of finals till 2020+. Between now and then, its getting the list in as good a shape as we can for a 5 year window starting 2020.

The disclaimer I would put in to this is that bringing in Docherty, Plowman, Sumner from other clubs, who are from previous drafts in which we missed out & nailing Byrne as an international rookie pick, & Boeky from the 2014 draft will be alright (not to mention Crippa) therefore we are a bit further ahead than having only done well out of the 2015 draft.

If SOS can nail the trade period & draft this year, 2018 could see us on the fringe of the Top 8 (then we can look forward to picking up Ben Silvagni in the 2018 draft).

 

[Malifice]

If SOS can nail the trade period & draft this year, 2018 could see us on the fringe of the Top 8 (then we can look forward to picking up Ben Silvagni in the 2018 draft).

Id rather not sacrifice accuracy and thoroughness for speed.

This is the second time weve had to do this since the draft sactions, and its taken 15 years of pain. I dont want to wait another 5 years, do a half arsed job and then go through the whole thing all over again.

 

[ShanDog]

Id rather not sacrifice accuracy and thoroughness for speed.

This is the second time weve had to do this since the draft sactions, and its taken 15 years of pain. I dont want to wait another 5 years, do a half arsed job and then go through the whole thing all over again.

The scary truth is that even if we draft really well, there's absolutely no guarantee of a flag. Seventeen other teams are doing the same thing and you only have to look at Richmond, St Kilda etc for teams that have been dominant or rebuilt for years and never managed to win a flag.

 

[Jimmae]

The scary truth is that even if we draft really well, there's absolutely no guarantee of a flag. Seventeen other teams are doing the same thing and you only have to look at Richmond, St Kilda etc for teams that have been dominant or rebuilt for years and never managed to win a flag.

Yup, so why not take advantage of what we have in a rolling 2 or 3 year window?

You don't throw away glit-edged opportunities of any kind in doing so. The trick is not go to Richmond, Freo, Geelong or North Melbourne levels as you do it.

 

[Azul]

The scary truth is that even if we draft really well, there's absolutely no guarantee of a flag. Seventeen other teams are doing the same thing and you only have to look at Richmond, St Kilda etc for teams that have been dominant or rebuilt for years and never managed to win a flag.

Trigg got Craig for a reason. Adelaide currently sit second on the ladder. In the period we've won four spoons they've never finished lower than 14th and made the finals more often that not. The side on the weekend, features zero top 10 picks and only Brad Crouch, for whom they gambled away pick 10 in a mini-draft.

Over the same period how many high picks did Sydney and Geelong have...

Clubs with good cultures don't tank, rebuild or announce 5 year plans.

 

[Jimmae]

Isn't this a list management discussion?

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

Don't know whether it'd affect club finances or anything or how many people sign up, but it's curious that Carlton is the only club that doesn't seem to have an MCC dual membership option that offers entry to at least a couple of Etihad home games.

 

[Brutalitops]

Didnt know where else to post this, not sure if a thread is warranted... but Ron Barrassi Jnr is selling his old memorabilia at auction and theres a few interesting Carlton pieces, but this has stood out to me:



Signed and inscribed by former Carlton player Jack Hale (playing career 1933-1941). Estimated at $200- $400. Sure to pique the interest of someone here im sure.

More info: https://auctions.leonardjoel.com.au...alelot=LJ8137++2083+&refno=40405226&saletype=

All items: https://auctions.leonardjoel.com.au/custom_asp/searchresults.asp?st=D&pg=1&ps=60&sale_no=LJ8137

 

[Navara79]

Even Juddy gets invited to the 95 premiership catch ups

 

[imadodgyumpire]

I saw Vin Catoggio at Greensborough Plaza a couple of hours ago.