Maybe an ex Richmond employee at Carlton - just a guess.
People who leak to Caro are dicing with death.
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Maybe an ex Richmond employee at Carlton - just a guess.
Still trying to understand the Lloyd appointment.
Highly regarded within the industry - but Fremantle list and football programme didn’t excite me.
So why was he highly regarded?? (FWIW I’ve worked with plenty of people who managed to network their way to a brilliant profile - but an objective view of their accomplishments painted a different story)
Liddell and SOS have serious runs on board - Lloyd I’m not so sure.
However I must give credit to Lloyd for the Russell & Teague appointments (assuming as Football Manager it was ultimately his call).
If he is pushing SOS out I’m very unhappy.
Interesting times.
If you “consider this off season a bust” - what would you have done differently?
I’m ok with SOS going.
4 years in charge and we are still 16th.
There was a plan in place based around trading out established players for draft picks, rebuilding from those, and that’s been ok. There’s hits and some bad misses amongst the draft picks but a solid enough plan in place.
Except the late picks, mature pickups and rookie picks have been atrocious and led to far more list churn than anticipated. He’s shown a tendency to over rate players based on previous draft position and underweight the impact of injuries and recent form (eg:Sumner, Pickett, Lang).
He’s also been unable to finish the rebuild by adding the veteran players to fill gaps. Missing on Shiel, Coniglio, Papley, Martin Etc leaves our list too thin. What he’s managed to get - Nick Newman, an overpaid (and overweight) McGovern who might not be best 22, a 32 year old Eddie Betts and a 3rd string ruckman isn’t enough.
End result - we are entering year 5 of a ‘66 game’ rebuild and honestly, likely to finish bottom 4 again unless we get some injury luck and players like Docherty, Marchbank, Setterfield manage to put it together.
At the very least, we have a good foundation to build around which is better than where we were but I wouldn’t mind someone else taking over from here...
The only way that Caro would be on the money this time is if she was talking about the period in 12 to 18 months from now after SOS goes through his final trade/draft period for the club. Then I reckon the club won't be dispensing with his services but the AFL will come knocking and will be wanting him to take over the Sun's list management.Caro might be on the money this time..
I'm sorry, but we have a clear case in which SOS has been rumoured to have not wanted a player but Teague did in Eddie. Just because we are happy about the outcome does not entail that SOS's job wasn't influenced by other departments within the club. I could see Teague being for it, and being backed up by Liddle, who would be well aware of what Eddie returning would do for us in terms of memberships, good press etc.I can't fathom how anyone could have interfered. Did SOS want to offer more for Papley and Martin? If so, that would have been wrong.
Maybe he didn't want one of them and was forced to go after them? Maybe he wanted to follow the Wines lead and drop the Papley trade?
If anyone interfered to our detriment, they should go, not SOS.
If Liddle has been critical of SOS for failing to get in such champions of our sport as Dan Butler, I can easily see how SOS would be contemplating leaving.Caroline Wilson is probably just hearing the same rumours that we have been hearing and putting her own spin on it.
The more I see of Liddle the more I see a CEO that is hyper sensitive to the mood of the membership and also one that is obsessive about the implementation of plans. It would not surprise me if Liddle has been asking SOS difficult questions about why the list management team has failed to bring in establish talent. After all, recruiting established talent was widely spruiked as the next big phase of the rebuild strategy.
Maybe. I'm guessing the same.Maybe an ex Richmond employee at Carlton - just a guess.
So you honestly think we are going to finish bottom four again next year?I’m ok with SOS going.
4 years in charge and we are still 16th.
There was a plan in place based around trading out established players for draft picks, rebuilding from those, and that’s been ok. There’s hits and some bad misses amongst the draft picks but a solid enough plan in place.
Except the late picks, mature pickups and rookie picks have been atrocious and led to far more list churn than anticipated. He’s shown a tendency to over rate players based on previous draft position and underweight the impact of injuries and recent form (eg:Sumner, Pickett, Lang).
He’s also been unable to finish the rebuild by adding the veteran players to fill gaps. Missing on Shiel, Coniglio, Papley, Martin Etc leaves our list too thin. What he’s managed to get - Nick Newman, an overpaid (and overweight) McGovern who might not be best 22, a 32 year old Eddie Betts and a 3rd string ruckman isn’t enough.
End result - we are entering year 5 of a ‘66 game’ rebuild and honestly, likely to finish bottom 4 again unless we get some injury luck and players like Docherty, Marchbank, Setterfield manage to put it together.
At the very least, we have a good foundation to build around which is better than where we were but I wouldn’t mind someone else taking over from here...
I totally agree. We have a heap of talent on the list. The last thing we need are C graders clogging up the list. SOS has only just managed to clear all of that out.If Liddle has been critical of SOS for failing to get in such champions of our sport as Dan Butler, I can easily see how SOS would be contemplating leaving.
People keep assuming that, if we failed to get Papley/Martin and we didn't get anyone else, we lacked a plan B; this being despite the fact that there are a number of delisted players to choose from (Newnes, Roberton) and we still hold pick 9 and can split it to find more of what we want if necessary. Not all plans need come to fruition during the trade period.
Secondly, why would you aim at someone of middling to lower standard? Why not aim for top tier, and seek to improve your list across the board? There was a whole heap of good ordinary citizens traded this year, and criticising us for not participating in that is akin to asking a jeweler why they do not deal in concrete; it isn't their business, and isn't their goal.
man shuts down woman - social commentators race to seek precedent.....
All Barass said was might be on to something. Might does not suggest is.
SOS might have been upset with the GC (AFL) stance on Martin and said Im done with this. in the heat of the moment.
WHO knows????
Until it happens. Why worry about it?
If Liddle has been critical of SOS for failing to get in such champions of our sport as Dan Butler, I can easily see how SOS would be contemplating leaving.
People keep assuming that, if we failed to get Papley/Martin and we didn't get anyone else, we lacked a plan B; this being despite the fact that there are a number of delisted players to choose from (Newnes, Roberton) and we still hold pick 9 and can split it to find more of what we want if necessary. Not all plans need come to fruition during the trade period.
Secondly, why would you aim at someone of middling to lower standard? Why not aim for top tier, and seek to improve your list across the board? There was a whole heap of good ordinary citizens traded this year, and criticising us for not participating in that is akin to asking a jeweler why they do not deal in concrete; it isn't their business, and isn't their goal.
Here you are...Would buy if they had them in L/XL.
Focus was too narrow
Pittonett essentially is an easy trade, plenty of those types floating around. I feel targeting Eddie, may have lost us a Butler/Gray type, either would of improved our side immediately. Newnes is clearly in the discussions. Not concerned that we targeted Martin, seems like we will still get him
Papley was fought with danger. Being reliant on other deals to get done is a poor strategy, especially given the narrow focus. I would have put a time limit on that deal and made my intentions clear.
While many of us differ on Wines, he would certainly improve us dramatically and I feel if we had placed a time limit on the Papley deal, we may have extracted him out of Port rather than closing that discussion before it had time to evolve
What I would have done is focused on players like Zac Williams who is a year out on FA. With GWS wanting to sure up Cameron and Whitfield next year, GWS might have been open to trading him. A guy that can play across any line. That chase may have even of forced out a Caldwell/Perryman/Briggs
So after the Cogs chase and miss, the players I would have targeted would have been
Williams/Yolman or Greenwood/Cutler/Martin/Gray or Taylor/Pittonett (or any other ruckman in that age range)
I think the strike rate would have been better and our squad would have improved considerably, as I am an advocate of improving that 22- 30 list range, given we have some immense talent that just needs time to develop
I disagree with a lot of this.
Given our list, our focus should be narrow. That's why Coniglio and Papley were the right targets. It's really unfortunate that we couldn't get them.
Wines would have been hugely expensive, and isn't the best fit in the way that Cogs would be.
Williams would be fantastic, but next year is the year for him. No way the Giants let him go a year early when they are in flag contention.
As for the others, I am not at all fussed about saving salary, and scarce trade currency, for players that are really only going to be depth in the midfield. Rather get games into Dow/Fisher/Stocker/O'Brien.
try to remember where you are, bs...………….All Barass said was might be on to something. Might does not suggest is.
SOS might have been upset with the GC (AFL) stance on Martin and said Im done with this. in the heat of the moment.
WHO knows????
Until it happens. Why worry about it?