Play Nice The CAS Appeal thread - update: appeal fails (11/10/16)

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The trouble with the evidence, is it was based on opinions and not fact.

Take Lovett-Murray.

His evidence was dismissed because it was the CAS' opinion that it had no merit or was dismissed so easily. Is it any wonder he is appealing....

The treatment of the evidence presented by the player's defence counsel was laughable in reality. It would seem the CAS placed greater weight on supposition than on statements of fact presented by the players in their testimony.

I have never known of a court anywhere that considers sworn statements inside of it or out to be treated with such disdain.

Again, you are not talking sense.

You are basing all of your complaints on the final summary which DID NOT include the actual evidence, any of the submissions by either party, any transcripts of the verbal evidence given or the oral submissions by the lawyers for all parties. Without having access to that material you simply cannot say that it was 'based on opinions and not fact'. You are simply making up stuff. Even one minutes thought would have avoided those comments.

All results of legal or arbitrarial hearings are opinions. Opinions based on the evidence put forward in the hearing. Even jury decisions in 'beyond reasonable doubt' situations are the opinions of the jury as a result of the evidence presented to them. In this instance, the opinions of the CAS arbitrators were that the 34 players did use TB4.

In every case, civil or criminal evidence is weighed and its value assessed, including Lovett- Murray's and it simply was not dismissed because 'it had no merit'. It was assessed against the requirements of the code and it was found not to be sufficient to excuse Lovett-Murray from his obligations under the code. Any understanding of the code would indicate this was a correct assessment. Not liking it simply is not good grounds for appeal, however he is entitled to exercise that right.

As for your comment that you have 'never known of a court anywhere that considers sworn statements inside of it or out to be treated with such disdain', I'd question how many courts you've ever been in during a hearing. ALL evidence given, and sometimes written statements are allowed to be presented as evidence when they are not being subject to cross examination. It is only done under normal circumstances when all parties agree to that occurring, otherwise if the evidence is to be tested then it is done orally and subject to cross examination.

Even so, all evidence has to be weighed by those sitting in judgement. Just because it is a written statement does not make it true, complete or entirely accurate and so must be assessed. Failure to assess any statement and taking it on face value without that assessment would be a failure in the duty of those sitting in judgement.

On a particular note, please detail which sworn statements were actually treated with disdain. You will need to show the contents of the statements and evidence that the arbitrators did actually treat it with disdain rather than making an assessment of it otherwise you will have to admit that you have no idea what actually happened in the adjudication of this matter, just like everybody else outside the CAS arbitrators.
 
The sporting world has been watching for three years now, and are now comfortably satisfied that Australian sportspeople are the biggest hypocrites in the world. Happy to sink the slipper for those cheating foreigners, but our boys are good blokes who have been treated unfairly.

spot on mate well said.
 
Doesn't mean they are right.
They may just be hiding behind higher walls.

They are not hiding, they are out there, front foot forward....... bearing the truths of nasties past.

The burrow is calling scabby, you have work to do, Mrs Scabby is crying out for a Buck...

...can you be that buck?

....can you?

The truth is out there scabalicious
 
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"But admiration goes to the players. They could’ve laid down and accepted the CAS finding or stood up and fought for their lives"

Absolute gag.

Making drug cheats out to be heroes, what an embarrassment.

Let me guess even without reading the article that its Robbo writing it. lol
 
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the cheats just never seem to learn
 
It was the players decision, not the club.

Why shouldn't they appeal to clear their names if they feel they are innocent.
Sure it was the Club had nothing to do with it the players came to this decision as a unit all by themselves, and Dank injected them with magical pixie dust.

They aren't innocent they know they aren't innocent, they are trying to get off on a technicality and it will fail.
 
Appeal to be hird in French ?

That will double the lawyers cost
That will piss off a few journos expecting a junket overseas
And it will cause the likes of Brucie to claim discrimination etc
I heard it on good authority that Hird will be doing the translation due to his french lessons while studying
 
I think the question is going to be asked as to whether CAS should be ruling on an Australian sporting competition in a sport largely limited to Australia.
Be funny if the Gaelic hybrid game and the international rules cup (where many countries sent teams to Melbourne) get used as evidence of international significance.
 

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Yeah unfortunately the 500k cost of this appeal is being borne by essendon... But ultimately the AFL have decided to bail them out of every stupid decision they make because they are too big to fail it seems.

Pathetic.
So true.

It would be interesting to see the resolve by the AFL to protect the integrity of the competition if this had happened under the watch of the Bulldogs, Roos, Demons or your mob.

Relocation or death ala Fitzroy.

There are already murmurs of a new team in the Perth northern suburbs.
 
Not meant to be taken seriously / cause offence, but Cerberus's picture got me wondering how some sentiments would sound in the words of Charlie Sheen.

Cerberus will destroy CAS in the air and deploy his ordinance to the ground.
He's got tiger blood, man. His brain...fires in a way that is - I don't know, maybe not from this particular terrestrial realm.

Look what he's dealing with, man. He's dealing with fools and trolls. He's dealing with soft targets, and it's just strafing runs in his underwear before his first cup of coffee ... There's a new sheriff in town. And he has an army of assassins - vatican assassin warlock lawyers. Boom.

If you love with violence and you hate with violence, there's nothing that can be questioned. People say, 'Oh, you'd better work through your resentments.' Yeah, no. He's gonna hang on to them, and they're gonna fuel his attack. And they're going to fuel the battle cry of his deadly and dangerous and secret and silent soldiers. Because they're all around you. Sorry, CAS thought it was just messing with one dude. Winning.

One thing's for sure, if they ever make a movie of this saga... If they want Cerberus in it, it's a smash. If they don't, it's a turd that opens on a tugboat.
 
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Remember the last time the Bombers got laughed out of court? To think I'll get to see that twice in my lifetime!!

Surely if you counting the players being laughed out of the Swiss Surpeme court, you need to count Hird's solo effort, and the Hird and EFC joint case...making this the third time.

I certainly looking to third time it happens in my life...
 
Sam McClure ‏@sam_mcclure 6h6 hours ago
Staggering that Swiss court could agree with the AFL Tribunal, but then WADA could appeal again. Haven't the players been through enough?


This is the crap that annoys me.

Players appeal and drag it out it's all good but if the Governing body wants to appeal it's "Haven't the players been through enough"

What a load of pure bollocks
 

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