Play Nice The CAS Appeal thread - update: appeal fails (11/10/16)

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Sigh, here we go again http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/7173f7b5995d75b43e1cc13ac3571ab0

YET another appeal in the never-ending 1345-day Essendon drug saga is not out of the question despite ASADA’s insistence that the case is closed.

Today’s Herald Sun revealed lawyers in the case were exploring taking the players’ fight to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France.

The move would require one of the Essendon 34 agreeing to push on in the fight to clear his teammates’ names.

Representatives of the players have indicated that most, if not all 34 players, are exhausted by the four-year saga and unlikely to agree to a last-ditch appeal. But lawyers are in talks over their next move.

If a final appeal was launched the AFL would again be forced to delay a decision on stripping Jobe Watson on his 2012 Brownlow Medal.

Now they are talking of appealing to the European court of human rights. Odd as they are not European?
 
Linda_Lovelace said:
Sigh, here we go again http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/7173f7b5995d75b43e1cc13ac3571ab0

YET another appeal in the never-ending 1345-day Essendon drug saga is not out of the question despite ASADA’s insistence that the case is closed.

Today’s Herald Sun revealed lawyers in the case were exploring taking the players’ fight to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France.

The move would require one of the Essendon 34 agreeing to push on in the fight to clear his teammates’ names.

Representatives of the players have indicated that most, if not all 34 players, are exhausted by the four-year saga and unlikely to agree to a last-ditch appeal. But lawyers are in talks over their next move.

If a final appeal was launched the AFL would again be forced to delay a decision on stripping Jobe Watson on his 2012 Brownlow Medal.

Now they are talking of appealing to the European court of human rights. Odd as they are not European?
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If we can perform at eurovision why not?
 

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Linda_Lovelace said:
Sigh, here we go again http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/7173f7b5995d75b43e1cc13ac3571ab0

YET another appeal in the never-ending 1345-day Essendon drug saga is not out of the question despite ASADA’s insistence that the case is closed.

Today’s Herald Sun revealed lawyers in the case were exploring taking the players’ fight to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France.

The move would require one of the Essendon 34 agreeing to push on in the fight to clear his teammates’ names.

Representatives of the players have indicated that most, if not all 34 players, are exhausted by the four-year saga and unlikely to agree to a last-ditch appeal. But lawyers are in talks over their next move.

If a final appeal was launched the AFL would again be forced to delay a decision on stripping Jobe Watson on his 2012 Brownlow Medal.

Now they are talking of appealing to the European court of human rights. Odd as they are not European?
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Never get between a lawyer and a potential source of money.
 
Satan said:
If we can perform at eurovision why not?
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Does not make any sense:

1. The players are not European so how could that appeal to a court that is not in their jurisdiction.

2. Switzerland, where the appeal was heard, is not a Euro zone member, so once again how does a European union court intervene in a non EU matter?

Still there is always the UN.......................
 
Linda_Lovelace said:
Does not make any sense:

1. The players are not European so how could that appeal to a court that is not in their jurisdiction.

2. Switzerland, where the appeal was heard, is not a Euro zone member, so once again how does a European union court intervene in a non EU matter?

Still there is always the UN.......................
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Get kev07 on the job
 
Linda_Lovelace said:
Does not make any sense:

1. The players are not European so how could that appeal to a court that is not in their jurisdiction.

2. Switzerland, where the appeal was heard, is not a Euro zone member, so once again how does a European union court intervene in a non EU matter?

Still there is always the UN.......................
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Switzerland is a signatory to to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms as a member of the council of Europe as opposed to the European union.

Its the only body to which the Swiss court can be appealed to, and was a Swiss decision as such in the jurisdiction of the ECHR
 
Muggs said:
Switzerland is a signatory to to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms as a member of the council of Europe as opposed to the European union.

Its the only body to which the Swiss court can be appealed to, and was a Swiss decision as such in the jurisdiction of the ECHR
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Much appreciated. Seems crazy but we live in strange times.
 

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Linda_Lovelace said:
Does not make any sense:

1. The players are not European so how could that appeal to a court that is not in their jurisdiction.

2. Switzerland, where the appeal was heard, is not a Euro zone member, so once again how does a European union court intervene in a non EU matter?

Still there is always the UN.......................
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Bring back Corckers. He had great UN skills.
 
Laphroaig said:
I certainly chuckled.......



That is at best poorly stated, and quite misleading.

Even in French Law the presumption of innocence stands above the system. And getting back to the case at hand, the same is explicitly true of the CAS. The obligation rests with the "prosecution" to prove it's case.

Take your point on both systems having downsides though. As intuitively appealing as it is to trust a judge to do right more than one would trust a lawyer; it ain't necessarily so.
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Re the bolded - in your opinion. Without getting down into the weeds on this, there are degrees of presumptions which are theoretical. The bop in practice is reversed - from my professional experience in running some cases thru local externals in France and Germany back in the day, and associated prepping etc.

And as for judges and trust - heh. The First Law of Trusts is "trust no-one".
 
Thrawn said:
Hahahahahaha. How much $$ were these people getting paid? This is almost as bad as when Burnside said that James Hird was a hero. It's amazing what a few dollars can do to otherwise rational and intelligent folk.
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Burnside will take anyone's money just like any other silk.

At the moment he is taking Danny Nikolic's and saying nice thing about him.
 
Linda_Lovelace said:
Sigh, here we go again http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/7173f7b5995d75b43e1cc13ac3571ab0

YET another appeal in the never-ending 1345-day Essendon drug saga is not out of the question despite ASADA’s insistence that the case is closed.

Today’s Herald Sun revealed lawyers in the case were exploring taking the players’ fight to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France.

The move would require one of the Essendon 34 agreeing to push on in the fight to clear his teammates’ names.

Representatives of the players have indicated that most, if not all 34 players, are exhausted by the four-year saga and unlikely to agree to a last-ditch appeal. But lawyers are in talks over their next move.

If a final appeal was launched the AFL would again be forced to delay a decision on stripping Jobe Watson on his 2012 Brownlow Medal.

Now they are talking of appealing to the European court of human rights. Odd as they are not European?
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Haha, seriously?

These players are possibly the dumbest people in this country.
 
why should players stop now, all you bush lawyers seem to be happy to keep the dribble going
hope they appeal ;hope they win, cant print the next bit but it involves a table and some exercise
 
Max Caddy said:
Why the actual **** would Mitchell and Cotchin have to make a case?
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In fairness it says they were asked to make "submissions". I guess if Mitchell and Cotchin both said they didn't want to inherit the medal, that would make part of the decision easier for the AFL.

In any case Mitchell declined to make a submission (no mention of Cotchin). He could've simply sent in this tape...

57dd3b10b794286ee13784a37be0cee3
 

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