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the bailleu myer establisment going strong. shorten beale less so. jesuits
Actovegin is not prohibited, being in contact with someone means nothing, how do you know he was in daily contact? Robinson had absolutely nothing to do with any medical issues at Geelong. Robinson was Geelong's strength and conditioning coach. Paul Haines was the guru down there and was his boss. No player ever met Dank, Geelong have completely complied with all requests after a thorough investigation in 2013. Your searching for something that isn't there, the Herald Sun are a disgrace with sensationalist headlines looking for a cheap grab knowing the average football fan loves a scandal and the truth matters not. Journalism schools teach writers to format articles like a backwards version of an M. Night Shyamalan movie: The only part worth seeing comes first. So, you have the headline which is written to grab you, they don't care about the substance of the story, the truth of the story or whether or not it's an old story. The media preys on the gullibility of the scandal hungry football fan, it was a slow news week and i'm sorry that the Herald Sun sucked you in on a non story that should never have been written.
Geelong are a perfect target because they won premierships, that happened because they had the best players, the Demons have a connection also, but nobody gives a stuff about that.
As for 2007: Well publicised at the time, open and transparent.
In 2007 Max Rooke was sent to Germany to undertake treatment on his hamstring injury. He visited Dr Hans-Wilhelm Muller-Wohlfarth, a world leader in the treatment of soft-tissue injuries. Part of that treatment was the injecting of Actovegin to treat the injury, a fact that was widely reported in the media at time. The treatment was successful and Rooke was able to return more quickly than previously thought.
The success of this treatment led the club’s medical staff to use Actovegin to treat other soft tissue injuries. Members of our medical staff travelled to Germany to meet with Dr Muller-Wohlfarth to gain a greater insight into his methods. This treatment was approved in 2009 by the AFL’s chief medical officer, Dr Peter Harcourt and is approved by ASADA and WADA.
Dr Muller-Wohlfarth at 69 doesnt look a day over 50, wonder if he's been tapping into the good stuff
Red_Emperor
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How do we know? Weapon told the world. Looks like Weapon expanded his duties into, other areas too. Why else would he be on the phone on a daily basis to a self anointed sports scientist.
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Apparently the idea of an organisation structure, clear reporting lines, and clearly defined roles are still new at Essendon...
Apparently Bomber Thompson tore Robbo a newy on AFL 360 tonight. Onya Mark!
Robinson was in no position of authority at Geelong to make any decision regarding supplements, he reported to Paul Haines at Geelong whereas at Essendon he was the main man. Geelong have done nothing wrong, their compliance and governance has been impeccable. People are clutching at straws here looking for something that is non existent.
Red_Emperor
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Actually Weapon wasn't the main man at Essendon but we can overlook your knowledge on that point.
The question stands; why would Weapon, in your words with no authority over supplements, need to be in daily contact with Dank during 2007 at Kardinia Park.
2007 of course being eight years ago and under a lot less scrutiny than now. Quite conceivably more risks were taken with a whole range of product when Weapon was conditioning and building up those Cats with daily input and guidance from sports medico Dank.
Not bad, looks like he walked straight off the set of Inspector Rex.
Can someone post and highlight the article where Weap is quoted as saying he is in daily contact with Dank?
Red_Emperor
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Can't you?
Yep well that what they want you to believe, very believable story isn't it.
Were you there looking over Rookes shoulder to witness what actual treatment he received or just believed the media like the masses do.
Drug laws are allot different in Germany, Actovegin was the smokescreen for real stuff he recieved, I'm guessing some DES IGF combined with IGF LR3 & or MGF that works almost instantly & is undetectable in blood or urine samples.
Calfs blood, yeah right!
Dank would have his contacts over seas being a bio-chem order peptides etc from all over the world.
Red_Emperor
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Good point- who actually went over to Deutschland with Rooke to make sure he got the right gear.
So a guy who wasn't that important in the Essendon saga and had no power over supplements at Geelong spoke to Dank, a guy who he knows who was important in the Essendon saga, while he was at Geelong. And Geelong used something that was approved by the AFL, ASADA and WADA via the proper avenues. Definitely front page news...
Red_Emperor
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While you're at it, can you give us the oil on why Weapon was chatting to Dank on a daily basis during 2007 and gives him credit for having a huge input into the club.
I reckon you should go to ASADA with this evidence. Surely they'll reopen the investigation when this fascinating, new imformation comes to light.
bruce has more work
What has Bruce been up to, have we heard from him lately?
Writing to acb no doubt
No. That's why I asked.
Red_Emperor
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No. That's why I asked.
OK, you must have a deficiency. Here it is, Dank has serious input into Geelong during 2007 but nobody can tell us whether Geelong did their due diligence and background checks on the architects of the Essendon supplements regime prior to 2007, for which Essendon paid a huge price.
Robinson who bucked the fitness trend
- by: Jenny McAsey
- From: The Australian
- September 28, 2007 12:00AM
Robinson, a hulking former rodeo rider, is one of the figures behind the revolution in Geelong's fitness regime, which has helped transform last year's unfit also-ran into grand final favourite.
But he has done it as a complete outsider to the game. Before he moved south last October to a foreign town and foreign football code, Robinson, 33, spent two years at the Manly Sea Eagles and wrote the program which has the team primed for Sunday's NRL grand final.
From his office at Skilled Stadium, Robinson, the club's strength and rehabilitation manager, is in almost daily contact with Sea Eagles' fitness consultant, Steve Dank.
"It is satisfying to have had a hand in both and Steve has also had a big input here, even though he is not on the payroll here and never has been," Robinson said.
"We discuss ideas and philosophies and a lot of them are common to both the Sea Eagles and the Cats."
Robinson says the emphasis is on recovery, to be ready for games that are equally gruelling whether you are Geelong midfielder Gary Ablett or Manly fullback Brett Stewart.
"We make sure the players are not overloaded. People think that you have to continually train them hard, whereas, if you really consider it, a game is a training session," he said.
Now he has worked with both codes, Robinson says AFL athletes are aerobically fitter but rugby league players win out in the speed and agility stakes.
He contends a number of Geelong players, including Ablett, Brownlow medallist Jimmy Bartel and defender Max Rooke have the physical attributes to have been top league players. His knowledge is not restricted to football -- Robinson has worked with athletes in 31 sports, ranging from gymnastics to rodeo.
He grew up on a horse stud in Camden on Sydney's outskirts and the buckin' bronco world was his first sporting love.
"I was a steer wrestler and a rodeo clown," he said.
Robinson made it as far as the 1997 World Steer Wrestling Association titles in Oklahoma and spent several years training rodeo athletes.
"You need to be agile, you need to be powerful and you need good reaction time, and I probably don't have any of that any more," he said.
He worked at the NSW Institute of Sport and then at the Sea Eagles, where he is credited with introducing a more scientific approach to training.
He has family connections in league -- his brother is an assistant coach at the Newcastle Knights -- but harboured a desire to work for an AFL club.
"In my mind, and it is not trying to knock any other code here, but AFL is the most professional code in Australia and probably the second most in the world as far as preparing athletes, behind the (American) NFL."
He was interviewed by coach Mark Thompson and Geelong medical staff last October. The club had endured a miserable 2006 season, parted ways with its long-time fitness coach early in the year and was undergoing a review of all operations.
Fitness and conditioning needed to be radically overhauled and the club took a gamble with Robinson, appointing him along with 26-year-old fitness manager, Paul Haines.
"It was a huge risk, but as the club and Mark say, it is actually what I don't know about AFL that has been able to help them," Robinson said yesterday after Geelong's final training session.
"I looked at it with a different set of eyes. I can pick things we can improve that someone who has been in the game for many years will never pick."
One of the first things he introduced was a grapple wrestling program, using Melbourne Storm's wrestling coaches, John Donehue and Chris Brown.
The aim was to improve tackling and evasive skills while improving players' strength.
"In the contested situation, you have to be able to control your body ... to control your space to get the ball and effectively tackle the person."
He says the effect has been measurable as Geelong has won 20 of 24 games this season.
"The feedback we have had from opposition coaches, they have said it is like men playing boys. That was what Dean Laidley said after we beat the Kangaroos two weeks ago," he said. "The guys here had a lot of improvement within them, they saw that and their attitudes to training this year has shown that. All our monitoring shows the boys are right where they should be."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...he-fitness-trend/story-e6frg7mx-1111114519497
Anyone who heard Robbo on SEN just before will know how much BS this is.
He pretty much admitted that the Cats did nothing wrong and this was all a headline-grabbing beat up.
And despite a half-arsed attempt at denying it, it was bleeding obvious that this was an attempt at deflection and defense for his beloved Bombers.
"Geelong and Melbourne worked with Dank and we accept they did nothing wrong...SO WHY DON'T PEOPLE BELIEVE THE SAME ABOUT ESSENDON??"
He pretty much admitted that the Cats did nothing wrong and this was all a headline-grabbing beat up.
And despite a half-arsed attempt at denying it, it was bleeding obvious that this was an attempt at deflection and defense for his beloved Bombers.
"Geelong and Melbourne worked with Dank and we accept they did nothing wrong...SO WHY DON'T PEOPLE BELIEVE THE SAME ABOUT ESSENDON??"
So it's not actually daily contact. And Weap never actually says that either, it's just what the journo puts in.
It always sounded like Weap pumping his mates tyres up. I guess it didn't work, as Dank didn't get a job.
Thanks for clearing up the growing misnomer about daily contact.
TheGreatBarryB
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He said Dank "had a big input here" , what else could that mean? What was he helping with...tha laundry? Get your head out of the sand.
