Unsolved The Family Murders

[Kurve]

The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

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[Kurve]

Nearly every house on Prince Street is listed on the SA Heritage database, except for numbers 25 and 27. Number 5 is on it.

A sample.

2806	15 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2807	17 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2808	19 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2809	21 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2810	23 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2811	29 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2812	31 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2813	33 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2814	35 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory

http://maps.sa.gov.au/heritagesearch/SearchResultPage.aspx?p_searchtype=LOCATION&p_suburb=ALL&p_lga=ALL&p_class=C

 

[jason_recliner]

Here's 25 Prince Street Alberton. And the driveway in to 25A Prince Street Alberton behind, lined with those awful pencil pines or Cypressus for the botanists among us and which we all know probably weren't there back in the late 70s. That great big conifer in the rear of number 5 probably was though.

Beautiful house. I had no idea Alberton was that nice. I always considered it somewhere I would never live.

 

[John Barnes]

Nearly every house on Prince Street is listed on the SA Heritage database, except for numbers 25 and 27. Number 5 is on it.

A sample.

2806	15 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2807	17 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2808	19 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2809	21 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2810	23 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2811	29 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2812	31 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2813	33 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory
2814	35 Prince Street ALBERTON	Port Adelaide Enfield		Contributory

http://maps.sa.gov.au/heritagesearch/SearchResultPage.aspx?p_searchtype=LOCATION&p_suburb=ALL&p_lga=ALL&p_class=C

You can see in the photos the whiteish house I was talking about and yes looks like it is 25


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[Kurve]

Historical imagery of 25 Prince Street, I searched for 23 so the address didn't go over the top of it. It shows a rough idea of what was there before, looks very similar to 23 in shape if far smaller. Landgate might have a clearer image.

 

[bth18]

number 25 in 2002

 

[Kurve]

number 25 in 2002

Much clearer, thanks bth. And so fast, have you got anything else there, you're not holding out on us are you?

 

[bth18]

i had already had a look at them and saved it!

 

[John Barnes]

i had already had a look at them and saved it!

Looks like everyone is now chasing rental records lol


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[Dell43]

Hi Charlie
I have another question about the list which appeared on Frozen Lies. Are you able to confirm the first name and what you think their involvement was
with Alan's abduction and/or captivity.

 

[John Barnes]

Hi Charlie
I have another question about the list which appeared on Frozen Lies. Are you able to confirm the first name and what you think their involvement was
with Alan's abduction and/or captivity.

View attachment 1056533

I was not there when Mandy pend it . The list I gave her she rewrote . I did not see nor do I want to see Debbie Marshall and her bull crap book or tv program .
Note Mandy dose not have all the names just the ones I gave her . The first name is Brown by the way


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[Dell43]

I was not there when Mandy pend it . The list I gave her she rewrote . I did not see nor do I want to see Debbie Marshall and her bull crap book or tv program .
Note Mandy dose not have all the names just the ones I gave her . The first name is Brown by the way


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Thanks for confirming Charlie. How do you think he was involved with Alan?

 

[John Barnes]

Thanks for confirming Charlie. How do you think he was involved with Alan?

He was in on rape but as far as killing no . He would walk his pink puddle in a Toto in the parade Norwood . He is one of the members but not inner group . Mandy would name him because I went to kill him and was stopped.


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[bth18]

“High profile lawyer” = Richard Brown was dating Woodward at the time

 

[Gayspie2020]

Does anyone here know what age Pru Firman, and the other transgenders if possible, first contemplated or began their sex changes from male to female?

 

[Bits]

According to the ebook Sarah was already taking hormones from around 15 and Pru was in her mid teens also.

 

[Dell43]

I can confirm Turtur & Firmann lived at 59 Prince St. Alberton.

 

[John Barnes]

“High profile lawyer” = Richard Brown was dating Woodward at the time

He was a judge


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[John Barnes]

I can confirm Turtur & Firmann lived at 59 Prince St. Alberton.

Were did you get that from ? I was told 25
Don’t get me wrong I’m happy if you are right the person I got my information from was a reporter . I had been there today and drove down the street. When I first went there number 25 was still there then when I started working around the corner it was gone .
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[Dell43]

Were did you get that from ? I was told 25
Don’t get me wrong I’m happy if you are right the person I got my information from was a reporter . I had been there today and drove down the street. When I first went there number 25 was still there then when I started working around the corner it was gone .
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I spent a few hours this afternoon going through Electoral Rolls and discovered the following about LT;

1977 to 1980 - Millicent St. Athol Park
1982 to 1985 - 59 Prince St. Alberton.
1984 - First record of Pru Firmann living at 59 Prince St. Assuming she moved there between 1982 & 1984.

 

[JezMez]

I spent a few hours this afternoon going through Electoral Rolls and discovered the following about LT;

1977 to 1980 - Millicent St. Athol Park
1982 to 1985 - 59 Prince St. Alberton.
1984 - First record of Pru Firmann living at 59 Prince St. Assuming she moved there between 1982 & 1984.

He took over Brian Gant's lease at Chatham St, Adelaide CBD when Brian moved to Perth. I was under the impression that this was immediately before they moved to Alberton.

Athol Park could be his parents' address? Or maybe Chatham was 1980-1982?

 

[John Barnes]

I spent a few hours this afternoon going through Electoral Rolls and discovered the following about LT;

1977 to 1980 - Millicent St. Athol Park
1982 to 1985 - 59 Prince St. Alberton.
1984 - First record of Pru Firmann living at 59 Prince St. Assuming she moved there between 1982 & 1984.

Cool like I said my information was from a reporter


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[Dell43]

He took over Brian Gant's lease at Chatham St, Adelaide CBD when Brian moved to Perth. I was under the impression that this was immediately before they moved to Alberton.

Athol Park could be his parents' address? Or maybe Chatham was 1980-1982?

Lewis was the only Turtur living at Millicent St. however a number of other Turtur's living Port/Cheltenham area.

 

[QLander]

Lewis Turturs parents lived in the Wattle Park area from around 1980 that I know of. They could have been there earlier but I don’t know for sure. His fathers name was Don, short for his Italian name Domenico. I used to do work for Don that’s how I know where he lived.

 

[Punk Rooster 16]

The red line was the original , theoretical route taken to get to Grand Junction- but the green would be the more likely route.
Probably not hugely relevant, but just some local knowledge.

 

[Kurve]

I spent a few hours this afternoon going through Electoral Rolls and discovered the following about LT;

1977 to 1980 - Millicent St. Athol Park
1982 to 1985 - 59 Prince St. Alberton.
1984 - First record of Pru Firmann living at 59 Prince St. Assuming she moved there between 1982 & 1984.

That's great, thanks.

So the Prince Street Alberton address might only be relevant to Mark Langley who was taken in February 1982 and Richard Kelvin in mid 1983.