Unsolved The Family Murders

[Kurve]

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The Who's Who List

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

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[Kurve]

I have met with Bob and I must say he is a very impressive person. He was not part of the 'boys club' in SAPOL - an independent thinker. He was adamant Von Einem was the main perpetrator and all the other people named as mainly spectators.

I've come around to the girls and Turtur not being involved at all in the murders. They cooperated with the police, iirc Turtur actually reached out to them, they showed up at court, even Denis St Denis, when they could have run and made themselves scarce.

And they didn't try to change who they were, they carried on trying to live their lives.

Also, zero evidence they were involved.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

what exactly did they do with the boys? We've never heard from any autopsy reports of semen traces which you would assume would have been intensively searched for. All reports describe the anal injuries as being the result of a blunt instrument, and the rest of the injuries (excluding Muir naturally) seem not quite in the realm of slow sadistic torture. We don't seem to have evidence of handcuffs or rope bindings, etc... I'm gonna guess that enemas leave some sort of trace if they were used to clean up after a rape?

 

[Kurve]

I've come around to the girls and Turtur not being involved at all in the murders. They cooperated with the police, iirc Turtur actually reached out to them, they showed up at court, even Denis St Denis, when they could have run and made themselves scarce.

And they didn't try to change who they were, they carried on trying to live their lives.

Also, zero evidence they were involved.

Sorry, quoting myself.

Except for Didi, I think it's possible Didi was involved somehow in Peter Stogneff's murder.

 

[bobk1988]

Does anyone know why all the Transgender people died at relatively young ages (fourties and fifties)?

hiv?drugs?

 

[bobk1988]

what exactly did they do with the boys? We've never heard from any autopsy reports of semen traces which you would assume would have been intensively searched for. All reports describe the anal injuries as being the result of a blunt instrument, and the rest of the injuries (excluding Muir naturally) seem not quite in the realm of slow sadistic torture. We don't seem to have evidence of handcuffs or rope bindings, etc... I'm gonna guess that enemas leave some sort of trace if they were used to clean up after a rape?

perhaps they used condoms?

 

[Kurve]

perhaps they used condoms?

Or there was no "they". Von Einem also bathed his victims.

Some might think bathing young men after an assault or death is really hard work but I think we need to remember that Von Einem is a mountain of a man at 6'6". He'd also know how to handle himself in a real dirty fight.

 

[bobk1988]

Mr R must not know about Reddit, his name and business name and location are revealed in full detail in a post made three years ago. I read Mr B's fist name is Colin but now told it begins with R. Any truth to the comment that he resides in Toowoomba? Toowoomba is almost as shady as Adelaide. Most here concede B is in the Barossa working at a pizza shop? BVE was once seen giving a boy an enema, whether this was to douche before rape or afterwards to clear out any residue wasn't explained.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Or there was no "they". Von Einem also bathed his victims.

Some might think bathing young men after an assault or death is really hard work but I think we need to remember that Von Einem is a mountain of a man at 6'6". He'd also know how to handle himself a real dirty fight.

condoms is a possibility. I would say by all statements by Turtur, Mr B etc that there was definitely a 'they' as they all refer to Mr R getting in on it as well. Some of the wordings almost indicates that the boys were "given" to Mr R afterwards which has always made me wonder if he's the actual murderer?

It doesn't take a man mountain to bathe a body either - Dennis Nilsen used to clean his victims in the bath and he was a pretty weedy looking guy.

While we're on the topic of cleaning - there's not much reason to believe the 'no blood' clothes the boys were dumped in where actually worn much during their confinement - horrible mental image, but once you've removed the clothes to keep from getting blood on them you're unlikely to bother redressing and undressing them. Potentially Richard's clothes weren't on Richard when they gathered the fibres from Von Einem's house. Also, the police supposed by the foetal position of Richard's body that he may have been carried by one person with arms under knees and under arms - surely that'd produce a pretty distinctive fibre trace pattern that they could guarantee that was the case?

Similarly, if he was in the boot of Von Einem's old car the trace paint chips would also only be one side of his clothes as he lay? It seems safe to assume that if you're doing trace evidence testing that they record exactly where each trace element was located on the clothing/body.

 

[Kurve]

condoms is a possibility. I would say by all statements by Turtur, Mr B etc that there was definitely a 'they' as they all refer to Mr R getting in on it as well. Some of the wordings almost indicates that the boys were "given" to Mr R afterwards which has always made me wonder if he's the actual murderer?

No doubt they partied and I accept that von Einem took some young men to Turtur's house, how many? Maybe a heap of them.

But that's still a long way from mutilation and surgeries to some dying and being disposed of the way they were.

Mr. R showed up at court too, he actually made a police statement which was surprising, no doubt was interrogated by the cops, he must have passed because there were no charges. No evidence.

 

[Tanned]

condoms is a possibility. I would say by all statements by Turtur, Mr B etc that there was definitely a 'they' as they all refer to Mr R getting in on it as well. Some of the wordings almost indicates that the boys were "given" to Mr R afterwards which has always made me wonder if he's the actual murderer?

It doesn't take a man mountain to bathe a body either - Dennis Nilsen used to clean his victims in the bath and he was a pretty weedy looking guy.

While we're on the topic of cleaning - there's not much reason to believe the 'no blood' clothes the boys were dumped in where actually worn much during their confinement - horrible mental image, but once you've removed the clothes to keep from getting blood on them you're unlikely to bother redressing and undressing them. Potentially Richard's clothes weren't on Richard when they gathered the fibres from Von Einem's house. Also, the police supposed by the foetal position of Richard's body that he may have been carried by one person with arms under knees and under arms - surely that'd produce a pretty distinctive fibre trace pattern that they could guarantee that was the case?

Similarly, if he was in the boot of Von Einem's old car the trace paint chips would also only be one side of his clothes as he lay? It seems safe to assume that if you're doing trace evidence testing that they record exactly where each trace element was located on the clothing/body.

Clean the body and then redress it? Perfectly set up, Von Einem took the fall. The body barely hidden, near where he would pick up his mother and the clothing loaded with fibres from various parts of his house to make it undeniable.
No one that cunning could be that stupid. His ability to supply males made him useful until political pressure on the police demanded a conviction. Took the rap for all of them.

 

[jason_recliner]

Clean the body and then redress it? Perfectly set up, Von Einem took the fall. The body barely hidden, near where he would pick up his mother and the clothing loaded with fibres from various parts of his house to make it undeniable.
No one that cunning could be that stupid. His ability to supply males made him useful until political pressure on the police demanded a conviction. Took the rap for all of them.

What's the evidence for these statements? And what is BVE's motivation for not informing on the others, which would almost certainly have resulted in a reduced sentence?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Clean the body and then redress it? Perfectly set up, Von Einem took the fall. The body barely hidden, near where he would pick up his mother and the clothing loaded with fibres from various parts of his house to make it undeniable.
No one that cunning could be that stupid. His ability to supply males made him useful until political pressure on the police demanded a conviction. Took the rap for all of them.

Killers have been making dumb decisions for eternity. At that point in time getting busted for fibre evidence was pretty new so he wouldn't have been expecting it. Claiming that it is something that he could have thought of and avoided is like saying that the Zodiac got other people to lick stamps for him so he wouldn't get DNA checked. These weren't really known processes at the time so nobody is planning to dodge them.

 

[Vino44]

I’ve always wondered whether confronting R at his shop in his older age would result in him cracking. Not encouraging that but surely they won’t all die with their secrets

 

[John Barnes]

serial rapists, but spectators. I'm not sure I buy that though - Mr B seemed pretty specifically scared of Mr R (even saying so specifically out loud at the court case).

Looking at the whole situation they're a pretty pathetic lot, a mama's boy, a trust fund private schooler and a bunch of drug addict hangers on who don't even have the guts to brag about their deeds. Kind of an embarrassing lot of baggage to take to the grave. A nice reminder to the rest of us that for any self doubts we might ever have we'll never come halfway to being as pathetic as this bunch.

That is about the best thing written in the history of this thread . They are a bunch of losers and that is about the long and short of it all . Marks dad once said what do you call them ??? But you summed it up perfectly .


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[John Barnes]

what exactly did they do with the boys? We've never heard from any autopsy reports of semen traces which you would assume would have been intensively searched for. All reports describe the anal injuries as being the result of a blunt instrument, and the rest of the injuries (excluding Muir naturally) seem not quite in the realm of slow sadistic torture. We don't seem to have evidence of handcuffs or rope bindings, etc... I'm gonna guess that enemas leave some sort of trace if they were used to clean up after a rape?

All the boys were washed and there was same trace of bruises on arms and legs . All the boys were drugged and Alan had a lot of pre marital bruises on his face ( punching) . Because it’s an unsolved crime not all is available to the public but the photos showed a lot more than what was said in court .


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[Nemisis]

Mr R must not know about Reddit, his name and business name and location are revealed in full detail in a post made three years ago. I read Mr B's fist name is Colin but now told it begins with R. Any truth to the comment that he resides in Toowoomba? Toowoomba is almost as shady as Adelaide. Most here concede B is in the Barossa working at a pizza shop? BVE was once seen giving a boy an enema, whether this was to douche before rape or afterwards to clear out any residue wasn't explained.

I always thought his first name was Colin who moved to Queensland but obviously I seem to have got that wrong.

 

[Kurve]

While we're on the topic of cleaning - there's not much reason to believe the 'no blood' clothes the boys were dumped in where actually worn much during their confinement - horrible mental image, but once you've removed the clothes to keep from getting blood on them you're unlikely to bother redressing and undressing them. Potentially Richard's clothes weren't on Richard when they gathered the fibres from Von Einem's house. Also, the police supposed by the foetal position of Richard's body that he may have been carried by one person with arms under knees and under arms - surely that'd produce a pretty distinctive fibre trace pattern that they could guarantee that was the case?

IMO when Richard was left in the bush, he was still half frozen. He had to be folded to go in to the freezer and he came out the same way.

Agree there may have been some fibre transfer from carrying him.

 

[John Barnes]

I’ve always wondered whether confronting R at his shop in his older age would result in him cracking. Not encouraging that but surely they won’t all die with their secrets

Been there and done that . R has the blackest eyes you would ever see . He called the cops on me as I went there with a couple of people and they dropped bve name . I have to say the first time I saw him I was intimidated but I have been back a number of times and from the second time on woulds he was scared shitless . The shop on unley rd quickly filled with his * friends as I sat across the road at a coffee shop . I was taken away by the police and told to stay away . I listened to the police and went back a day later . The cops said that they would arrest me if I kept going back so I told them “ that’s ok put me in a cell with bve “ . I just stopped going there as my dad was dying and I couldn’t shake him up . Ps I did take my mom there after dad was dead and the same thing happened .


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[Soldier Of Misfortune]

That is about the best thing written in the history of this thread . They are a bunch of losers and that is about the long and short of it all . Marks dad once said what do you call them ??? But you summed it up perfectly .


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All of our great achievements we can smile and tell friends, family and lovers about and they will share in our joy - these folks literally have to hide and can never admit to what they might have 'achieved'. The more I think about it the less and less powerful these people are. Epic level failure when you can't treat people with love and respect.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

All the boys were washed and there was same trace of bruises on arms and legs . All the boys were drugged and Alan had a lot of pre marital bruises on his face ( punching) . Because it’s an unsolved crime not all is available to the public but the photos showed a lot more than what was said in court .

thanks for your reply Charlie - and sorry for asking about horrible details. Were the arm/leg bruises indicative of restraint?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I’ve always wondered whether confronting R at his shop in his older age would result in him cracking. Not encouraging that but surely they won’t all die with their secrets

All evidence is that he's not likely to ever spill and doesn't have enough grasp of reality to have remorse. Pestering and bothering these people feels like it's almost a civic duty if they're going uncharged. I'm surprised that there isn't more broken windows given the easy public knowledge of both business and home addresses. Not that I would ever encourage anyone to do that. Especially unless they took care to wear a hat, covid mask and clothes they don't usually wear, etc in case of cameras, etc.

 

[John Barnes]

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thanks for your reply Charlie - and sorry for asking about horrible details. Were the arm/leg bruises indicative of restraint?

I don’t mind any questions as long as there not loaded . Yes I seen some bruises around the arm and legs . I could not tell you if it was post mortal or not but Alan’s face was bruised and it had been eaten by rats in places .


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[John Barnes]

All of our great achievements we can smile and tell friends, family and lovers about and they will share in our joy - these folks literally have to hide and can never admit to what they might have 'achieved'. The more I think about it the less and less powerful these people are. Epic level failure when you can't treat people with love and respect.

Love and Respect is what my wife and I have on our wedding rings lol


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[bobk1988]

An interesting tidbit, the comments on Dr Peter Millhouse' death notice in 2015, a Kylie Muir makes a comment: 'Hope he suffered just like his victims did in THE FAMILY MURDERS in ADELAIDE.. He is now in HELL!!!!'

So Neil Muir's family believes Millhouse was involved.

 

[Vino44]

Been there and done that . R has the blackest eyes you would ever see . He called the cops on me as I went there with a couple of people and they dropped bve name . I have to say the first time I saw him I was intimidated but I have been back a number of times and from the second time on woulds he was scared shitless . The shop on unley rd quickly filled with his * friends as I sat across the road at a coffee shop . I was taken away by the police and told to stay away . I listened to the police and went back a day later . The cops said that they would arrest me if I kept going back so I told them “ that’s ok put me in a cell with bve “ . I just stopped going there as my dad was dying and I couldn’t shake him up . Ps I did take my mom there after dad was dead and the same thing happened .


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I can’t imagine the frustration in your situation. I would love peace for you and your family