Unsolved The Family Murders

[Kurve]

* Slurs against any group and hateful content will be removed in accordance with the rules and warnings issued.

The Who's Who List

• #2,647

VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

Out of Sight - The Untold Story of Adelaide's Gay Hate Murders

The Cases of Forensic Pathologist Colin Manock

Use this thread below to lodge media, maps and photos for quick reference.

Unsolved - The Family Murders - MEDIA

This thread may be used to post the Family Murders media related content. To include press and gathered photographs from various sources. Please feel free to post but as this is a no discussion thread, comments will be deleted or moved at discretion. WHO'S WHO VICTIMS AB - Alan Barnes 16yo...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Wooden Robot]

Been there and done that . R has the blackest eyes you would ever see . He called the cops on me as I went there with a couple of people and they dropped bve name . I have to say the first time I saw him I was intimidated but I have been back a number of times and from the second time on woulds he was scared shitless . The shop on unley rd quickly filled with his * friends as I sat across the road at a coffee shop . I was taken away by the police and told to stay away . I listened to the police and went back a day later . The cops said that they would arrest me if I kept going back so I told them “ that’s ok put me in a cell with bve “ . I just stopped going there as my dad was dying and I couldn’t shake him up . Ps I did take my mom there after dad was dead and the same thing happened .


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

Black eyes As in devoid of sleep from always looking over his shoulder?!

I’d like to think he’s never had a days peace despite not being held to account.

 

[bobk1988]

Black eyes As in devoid of sleep from always looking over his shoulder?!

I’d like to think he’s never had a days peace despite not being held to account.

Probably black eyes because he's narcissistic/sociopathic/psychopathic etc. His only feelings would be for himself ie. fear of being held accountable. As for the victims, people like Mr R don't have a conscience or ability to feel remorse or empathy. I've met a few people with truly black eyes, they were sinister, almost as if they were soulless

 

[Tanned]

Killers have been making dumb decisions for eternity. At that point in time getting busted for fibre evidence was pretty new so he wouldn't have been expecting it. Claiming that it is something that he could have thought of and avoided is like saying that the Zodiac got other people to lick stamps for him so he wouldn't get DNA checked. These weren't really known processes at the time so nobody is planning to dodge them.

"Locard's Principle", that holds that when two things come into contact each object will leave trace amounts of itself on the other. In 1920. And used in Forensic science since. Not that new. Putting potential evidence back on a body for no reason is way beyond dumb.

 

[johnymac1]

Probably black eyes because he's narcissistic/sociopathic/psychopathic etc. His only feelings would be for himself ie. fear of being held accountable. As for the victims, people like Mr R don't have a conscience or ability to feel remorse or empathy. I've met a few people with truly black eyes, they were sinister, almost as if they were soulless

I've tried to access his "place of work" on a few occasions. so far I've not laid eyes on him.
With Mr B, he's more out in the public domain. I've ran into him at different venues. Country settings!

I do have a pretty good memory, I do recall seeing a carload of ladyboys in the mid 80s.
Once on Main North Road at Medindie and the second time near Pizza Hut on Anzac Highway

 

[Macka_321]

Mr R would be a coward like the rest of them. They certainly had knowledge of forensics though as bodies washed very little evidence left behind.

 

[AdelaideGT]

Mr R would be a coward like the rest of them. They certainly had knowledge of forensics though as bodies washed very little evidence left behind.

Ummm.. any proof of?

Or you just yapping on with conspiracy theoris like so many amateur Miss Marples seem to do in here?

 

[bobk1988]

Why go to the trouble of cleaning the bodies of suspected dna just to dispose of them so haphazardly and sloppily. I can never understand the way the bodies were so carelessly disposed of, like they wanted them to be found.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Why go to the trouble of cleaning the bodies of suspected dna just to dispose of them so haphazardly and sloppily. I can never understand the way the bodies were so carelessly disposed of, like they wanted them to be found.

The drop points are definitely odd. Richard was dropped in a semi obscure spot but from memory it was 50 metres from the road (pretty sure that was what they said in Young Blood which was pretty specific when it gave details). Why not dump literally at the roadside if just getting rid of the body?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Ummm.. any proof of?

Or you just yapping on with conspiracy theoris like so many amateur Miss Marples seem to do in here?

This place seems to only make you cranky, you should probably avoid it. The cleaning of a body that's then pretty carelessly discarded and the recently discussed apparent lack of semen internally or externally seems to indicate a reasonable amount of thought put into making the bodies 'clean' of evidence. Hardly on the conspiracy field, more just a reasonable theory.

 

[Kurve]

The drop points are definitely odd. Richard was dropped in a semi obscure spot but from memory it was 50 metres from the road (pretty sure that was what they said in Young Blood which was pretty specific when it gave details). Why not dump literally at the roadside if just getting rid of the body?

50 metres from the road is quite a bit further than the average, which I'm pretty sure is 15 metres.

It seems significant if I'm not quite sure how.

 

[Kurve]

The drop points are definitely odd. Richard was dropped in a semi obscure spot but from memory it was 50 metres from the road (pretty sure that was what they said in Young Blood which was pretty specific when it gave details). Why not dump literally at the roadside if just getting rid of the body?

They're usually dragged as well and left 15m from the roadside. I can't say it's never happened before, but I've not heard of anybody being left in the bush in the foetal position with both arms neatly tucked each side.

I can't yet find Richard's height and weight but 50m from the road, no apparent dragging also seems significant.

 

[John Barnes]

I can’t imagine the frustration in your situation. I would love peace for you and your family

I have peace right up to when I close my eyes ! I will never get peace simple from the things I have seen from all of this . Even if Alan was not killed the things I saw aka photos and know I would still have trouble finding peace . Shit runs around in my head all the time and to get some sort of an idea of it watch the movie law abiding citizen were he said I have killed him in my head over and over again . That’s what I have running around in my head nonstop .


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[John Barnes]

Mr R would be a coward like the rest of them. They certainly had knowledge of forensics though as bodies washed very little evidence left behind.

Yes he is a coward as he shit himself the second I come knocking . As far as washing the bodies they did do a very good job of it . Remember DNA and the kind of trace evidence we have today was not around in 1979 . The corner was a joke and the cops kept a lot of the evidence in a little tin shed in South Australian summers so a lot of evidence in now no good . Every time they reopen the case they pull it all out and try to find things that can help like when they tried the DNA . The cops stuffed it up from the start !!!


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[John Barnes]

The drop points are definitely odd. Richard was dropped in a semi obscure spot but from memory it was 50 metres from the road (pretty sure that was what they said in Young Blood which was pretty specific when it gave details). Why not dump literally at the roadside if just getting rid of the body?

Please don’t take everything in young blood as fact . The body’s were dumped in most cases in places where it would not be easy to find . 1 Alan if they just dropped his body 4 metres over he would have gone into the water/ mud and maybe never found . A bush walker seen him the next day but if the bush walker had followed the law he would not have seen Alan . He was walking in a place where he was not allowed to so he seen Alan under the bridge . 2 Neil if they had an understanding of the tied and how they worked Neil might not have been found . If they had dropped him at Torrens island the dags would have drifted out to stkilda not just float around where he was dumped . 3 Mark the blokes who found him where ment to have finished working where he was found weeks before but where running way behind on that job . Even in court they said that they should not have been there . 4 Peter well we all know that it was just luck that Peter was found . 5 Richard again it was just luck he was found . The body was not in a place many people at that time ever went to . So they did try to place the body’s where they wouldn’t be found easy and some of it was luck that all 5 boys were found .


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Scarily enough it's not inconcievable that there might be other unfound bodies.

 

[John Barnes]

[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji6]" data-quote="Soldier Of Misfortune" data-source="post: 0" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">

Scarily enough it's not inconcievable that there might be other unfound bodies.

That’s what I said the other week , there could well be more as hitch hikers where there main targets and there are a lot of missing people around that time that have never been seen since . Why do you think bve is keeping his mouth shut ? He can only dig himself in deeper .


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[John Barnes]

[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji6]" data-quote="Soldier Of Misfortune" data-source="post: 0" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">

Scarily enough it's not inconcievable that there might be other unfound bodies.

That’s what I said the other week


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[AdelaideGT]

This place seems to only make you cranky, you should probably avoid it.

It makes me shake my head. I was there and knew some of the people mentioned in this thread. People on the interwebz thinking they can solve a crime 40 years later make me laugh and shake my head again

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

It makes me shake my head. I was there and knew some of the people mentioned in this thread. People on the interwebz thinking they can solve a crime 40 years later make me laugh and shake my head again

So you can read a true crime book, put it down without a question in your mind? I guess most people here are just interested, I doubt anyone truly thinks that they're going to crack the crime, they're just discussing things. Having said that - without access to all the details that the police may currently hold, the many people who have contributed and questioned on this site have uncovered plenty of information that wasn't publically available previously. You yourself have helped contribute some great information that has helped paint a fuller picture for people. That's pretty much the biggest thing - people just want to understand it all a little better - it's a series of crimes that have disturbed a lot of people and there's never been a very clear picture as to what exactly happened and who was involved and when. People will wonder and discuss. It's not a bad thing.

 

[John Barnes]

Let’s face it we all know who the main characters were in this and the sad sick individuals around them . With Alan it was B , R and bve who were there at the time . More maybe involved but without anyone talking about it the only thing we have to go by is Bs testimony . With Neil it seems that there was more involved I would say SGW and STD were there maybe even more . Mark we can say that again all of the above were there and from what I understand one of the trans could have been too . Peter no one will know but again all of the above I would say would have been involved . Richard from the evidence given and all the stuff the cops had we can definitely say bve and co without a question were there . The group that was involved in the killing would have been the top 5 suspects which is what was called the family the rest were in and out but only involved in rapping boys and not the killing . The biggest question for me is where dose darko sit in all of this and how much B was involved in the killings . Personally I think B was way more involved then he lets on and I believe if he was not the main killer would have edged bve on . Darko well what can I say you all know how I feel about him and would like to know how much he knew . All of the suspects and low life’s who are nothing but cowards when confronted by the victims families and friends . Just remember that this was not the only group of criminals drugging and rapping young men at the time , so it make it hard to know who was doing the killing . BVE is going to die soon and so is R as both are suffering from the lifestyle that they choose so I look forward to that day and will have a party then piss on there graves .


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[Vino44]

I wish one of the periphery members that you mention was pressed harder with the threat of some kind of charge. Maybe they would have rolled on the key players?

I just feel this case can’t fade into darkness without more answers…

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I wish one of the periphery members that you mention was pressed harder with the threat of some kind of charge. Maybe they would have rolled on the key players?

I just feel this case can’t fade into darkness without more answers…

they did try get Pru on a rape charge but she evaded that. One can only assume that Turtur has an immunity clause to not have ended up on trial for rape charges or even just accessory to rape based on his admissions.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I wonder if the police did a quick scan of their files for recently missing people when Mr R filled in his pool in late 2016?

 

[FAPope]

they did try get Pru on a rape charge but she evaded that. One can only assume that Turtur has an immunity clause to not have ended up on trial for rape charges or even just accessory to rape based on his admissions.

FOR NEWER READERS OF THIS FORUM: Conjecture implies? The information provided by Pru to evade this charge (Another but separate Alberton House drugging/rape) broke the case wide open. PRIOR TO THIS. The leading involvement of BvE, the hierarchy of other key players and the role of the Alberton House wasn't really known.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

a few questions regarding Millhouse - Muir:

- from my understanding of the state Neil's body was in when discovered, the legs had been stripped of flesh - why would the bandaid from his leg have been kept to place in the bag when so many other organs, etc were disposed of elsewhere?

- Millhouse's regular cleaner didn't clean his house that week but then commented the next week it appeared to have been very clean. This is while Milhouse was on a bender. Who cleans their house when they're heavily drinking? Who organises a different cleaner when they're heavily drinking? Other reports say he was looking dishevelled, etc. He wasn't organising anything at this point.

- the claims that there was white hairs on the bandaid - wasn't Bevan regularly dying his hair at this point in time?

- theories that Stephen renegged on his claim of hearing a confession from Millhouse being that he originally lied and then thought he should tell the truth. Didn't he also move interstate in the meantime? Could that be viewed as fleeing after threats? Also, supposedly Stephen denied being at Millhouse's place in court - didn't he get taken in by the police with Alan?

- also re: time taken for the mutilation - "Dr Britten Jones says the job would take a skilled surgeon 4 hours with full resources, 12 hours for a semi-skilled person." however 23.2.80 The Advertiser reported that "[Ross Alexander] James said the dismemberment would have taken between three and six hours, depending on the expertise and instruments involved." Those are two pretty different timescapes so there's clearly not an agreeance.