Unsolved The Family Murders

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VICTIMS
AB - Alan Barnes 16yo
NM - Neil Muir 25yo
PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo
ML - Mark Langley 18yo
RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo

• DS - Derrance Stevenson high risk lifestyle pornographer and criminal lawyer shot to death
• DS - David Szach convicted for the murder of criminal lawyer Derrence Stevenson

DECEASED
DSD - Denis St Denis hairdresser
RBD - Richard Dutton Brown the magistrate
PF - Pru Firman
SN - Sarah Novak
BG - Brian Gant
NB - Noel Brook also known as Di Di
TP - Trevor Peters of the diaries
PM - Dr. Peter Leslie Millhouse acquitted for the murder of Neil Muir
GG - Gino Gambardella chiropractor fled to Italy

LIVING until further notice
BVE - Bevan von Einem also known as 'Bevbang' to inner circle and 'Vonnie' in the prison system
Mr R - The businessman name suppressed
SGW - Dr Stephen George Woodards
Mr. B - Teenage prostitute and informant name suppressed
JL - Jacquie the nurse mentioned in the ebook as a good friend of and who rented a unit close to BVEs unit we assume name suppressed?
LT - Lewis Turtur also known as 'Louie'
A - The older teenage boy Peter Stogneff's parents feel may have had something to do with their son's abduction
RR - Raymond Rozankowski who was a friend of BVE and lived in the same street as A

DK - Darko Kastellan assistant to Gambardella

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[John Barnes]

Going out on a limb here but is it possible that Neil Muir was actually a part of The Family, albeit not necessarily involved in the murders. We know he was most probably a rent boy giving sexual favors to Millhouse and BVE in exchange for money /drugs. The expensive antique ring he was seen wearing we can assume came from Mr. R., so that's three suspects he knows and, apparently, he had been friends with one of the transgender girls for a few years. Their connection could have been drugs, however, it seems strange that a young straight man in the 70s would be friends with a transgender woman. Remember at the time these trans women were considered social outcasts.

Was Muir straight? He had a seven- year- old daughter when he was killed and apparently he was engaged to be married, but that doesn't necessarily make him straight. Was he bi? Was Neil Muir transgender? We've heard from his sister and friends that he had an androgynous, even effeminate appearance; long hair and slight of body, a 'pretty' man etc. Did BVE use Muir dressed as a woman to lure young guys into his car?

Muir was older than the other victims, they being in late adolescence, he a young man. It has been suggested he was killed for snitching to cops, does that explain why his was the most brutal of the murders, one of their own had done the dirty on them? Was the mutilation an attempt at post-mortem sex change? Was he just providing sexual services for Derrance Stevenson or was he a part of his deviant hobbies? Food for thought.

I have said it before that I do believe Neil could have been involved including with Alan . There was a meeting with bve , r and b in Rundle mall before Neil was killed . Bve said in this meeting that someone had talked to the police . This was said by b in court at the committal hearing and there are people on this site that have it . So yes I do believe Neil was one of the family members and I believe b throw him under the bus so to speak . And yes the cops rang bve well before they went to his house to talk about Alan’s and Neil’s deaths .


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[John Barnes]

So is Christopher Worrell not legally guilty of his crimes? And it can't be slander to call him a murderer because he's dead? Just wondering about what they'll be legally able to say about the members of the family in 30 years time.

The second this lot pass away everything will be said about them .


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[PenfoldsFan]

That’s a pretty long bow saying that Darko knew Stevenson . I don’t know where you got that from but from what I know there’s no link between Darko and Stevenson directly . Gambo could have known Stevenson but not one reliable source has said it , only conjecture and speculation . As for Alan he really didn’t hang out with Darko that much and it was the first time Alan ever stayed at darkos house . Darko was not a very close mate of Alan’s and didn’t spend much time together before that weekend . Please don’t try to put Darko down as a close friend of Alan’s he was more of a person Alan knew .


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Never said they were close friends John.
They dont have to be.
They are connected though, as is DK to Gambo and Gambo to DS.
Some might say thats a coincidence, im not so sure myself.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Question for the day: Nurse Jacqui is mentioned as being in the car with BVE during the Richard Kelvin kidnapping. The reference isn't made in Dissection as a 'suppose she was there' but as a fact. Considering she's not really referenced anywhere else as a person to be expected to be involved (she seems to have only been referred to in this instance and as being Mr B's housemate in 1979 when Mr R threatened Mr B at their house (is this the time when MGL pulled a gun?)) so by mentioning her in the car can one assume that either she testified as such in court, or spoke to the police and somehow Greg McInerney received some spilled info from the police? The fact that PeeJay is also mentioned at this time (and no other time) and also has a small smattering of background facts about makes me think that they must have testified in court or to the police and that the police have a pretty much exact idea of what happened at the kidnapping.

I wish the court case notes were all available online. Or they could publish them as a book and I can guarantee a bunch of people here would be purchasing.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

does anyone know if MGL (Mr R's partner) is actually a suppressed name? I noticed that Dissected drops his name(s) a couple times but weirdly calls him once by his first name, once by his middle name but doesn't go for the trifecta and use his last name as well which could be a first name.

 

[diorama]

Dissected also refers to her playing down BVE's behaviour with other girls or young women he used as lures. And claims she was a friend of BVE since at least 1973, when she would have been 19. If their information is right, she seems to have been consistently involved with him throughout the relevant period.
She died in 2020, age 65.
She probably had some common ground with Suspect B, having arrived in Australia as a pre-teen in the mid 60s, and being the eldest of 7 children (he was the third of six, though there are two other children's names on his mother's gravestone - it's not clear if they were stillbirths, miscarriages, or children to another father).
From about 1970, her family lived 450m from Mark Langley's family in Campbelltown. Not so close that there's any certainty that they knew each other. There's a possible common bus stop, and likely one of her younger siblings would have been around Mark's age.
Would be interesting to know if her experience or skills as a nurse would enable her to do to the boys what's been largely assumed to be the work of a doctor. Also whether she had access to drugs and surgical equipment that were used.
All three boys who were mutilated were taken on the 27th - two in August, one in February. James Crocker also went missing May 27, and went to a hospital at least once that night. Could it be linked to a quarterly hospital stocktake/audit?
1973 was about the time MGL bought his mansion, what seems (on Google maps) a narrow street from what was then (according to Sands McDougall) a private hospital.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Also knowing that she and Mr B were trained/training to be nurses makes you wonder whether they saw it as an easy job as they clearly wouldn't have been seeking the job out of an abundance of empathy for helping people.

 

[diorama]

There's something quite odd about her involvement. A professional whose behaviour - at least 8 hours a day - needs to be seen as calm, empathic and caring in a stressful environment, and with a father in the military, hanging around a group of drug addicted sex workers, drag performers and a not-quite-accountant who doesn't understand that inserting a pencil in his genitals is well beyond weird... there seems to be a strange power dynamic at play, she'd surely have dirt on everyone, she seems to have had control over the other female "lures".

 

[FAPope]

Also knowing that she and Mr B were trained/training to be nurses makes you wonder whether they saw it as an easy job as they clearly wouldn't have been seeking the job out of an abundance of empathy for helping people.

Perhaps they were inclined towards Nursing for the easier access to drugs?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

She died in 2020, age 65.

First I've heard that nurse jackie is dead. Where did you find that out? It seems like all the other girls ended up giving statements and evidence later in their lives, I believe Jackie must have given up info as well at some point to have been so strongly linked with the kelvin kidnapping.

 

[Anonjym]

I uploaded these in case they were of any interest to anyone.

ABC - Body in the Freezer - 18-9-2016

ABC - SA Govt doubles reward for 'Family murders' - 28-10-2008

Also came across this news snippet (10-02-85) which touches on the black market of X rated tapes back then. Makes me wonder about the close lipped groups that would have been operating back then and the dealing of illegal pornography between themselves. This day in age the groups are online in forums while making use of Tor (Darknet) and most of them having a rule where one must upload an original piece of abuse material to be considered able to join.
Two quotes from 'Dissected':

From the information available in court documents and media reports it appears that The Family originated in a small Adelaide bookshop in 1960. A group of Adelaide men had been importing hard core homosexual pornography in the form of magazines and films from Europe. At the time, the group allegedly consisted of two journalists, two prominent members of the legal profession and a young lawyer named Derrance Stevenson.
During the day these men went about their relative professions and were respected members of the community. At night however they would gather at the bookshop where their attention would turn to more sordid interests such as books, magazines and films that depicted the sexual abuse of boys in a variety of forms.

Dr Millhouse frequently purchased pornographic magazines, one particular magazine found in his possession being a very violent and aggressive under the counter issue entitled ‘Two Bulls in Debauchery’.

I am curious to know who the two journalists and the two prominent members of the legal profession are?
Richard Brown possibly being one?


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[diorama]

First I've heard that nurse jackie is dead. Where did you find that out? It seems like all the other girls ended up giving statements and evidence later in their lives, I believe Jackie must have given up info as well at some point to have been so strongly linked with the kelvin kidnapping.

genealogy websites carry some really useful information if you're willing to pay for the access

edit: keep in mind that there were reports of a group including BVE being seen at a cafe shortly before Richard was abducted - it's not necessarily the case that any of them spoke at all

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

genealogy websites carry some really useful information if you're willing to pay for the access

edit: keep in mind that there were reports of a group including BVE being seen at a cafe shortly before Richard was abducted - it's not necessarily the case that any of them spoke at all

Good point, but would a cafe worker remember specifics like that? Although potentially they could be on first name basis seeing as he was a regular. Did Blue & White give evidence at the court case?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I am curious to know who the two journalists and the two prominent members of the legal profession are?
Richard Brown possibly being one?

Andrew Pearce? Liddy?

 

[Zebo]

genealogy websites carry some really useful information if you're willing to pay for the access

edit: keep in mind that there were reports of a group including BVE being seen at a cafe shortly before Richard was abducted - it's not necessarily the case that any of them spoke at all

Where are the reports of the 'group including BVE being seen at a cafe' that you refer to? That is not in any of court evidence.

 

[Butters and Pepper]

Stevenson was 44 in 1979 when he died, so if they are talking about him being a "young lawyer", I'm assuming they are talking about journalists from the early 1960s so if they are referencing that period in that article that would count Pearce out as one of the journalists.

Ric Marshall was a kids entertainer, and appeared on TV, and would probably be around correct age, but I'm not sure he'd be classed as a journalist. There's been speculation about certain other TV journos who would fit the age range, but I won't speculate here.

Liddy is over 80 now so he's in the age range but Brown would be too young if we are basing it on age in early 1960s.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Zebo you are a master at keeping us all in line so that everything remains factual. I appreciate it!

 

[diorama]

Where are the reports of the 'group including BVE being seen at a cafe' that you refer to? That is not in any of court evidence.

Good question. Dissected refers to it as one of his "pick up locations". Rechecking sources.

 

[Poppy Penny]

Good to see this case more active in this forum. Have nothing to add but reading with interest. Thanks

 

[diorama]

So the source was this earlier in this thread - stuck in my mind - can't find any further verification as yet

Unsolved - The Family Murders

* Slurs against any group and hateful content will be removed in accordance with the rules and warnings issued. The Who's Who List #2,647 VICTIMS AB - Alan Barnes 16yo NM - Neil Muir 25yo PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo ML - Mark Langley 18yo RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo DS - Derrance Stevenson high...

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[Soldier Of Misfortune]

Has Dick Wordley ever stated who BVE named in his prison interview? I'm guessing theyre all legitimate names given his previous hiding in plain sight alibis. Also he knows who police already suspect/know so he wouldn't be adding anything new to the situation.

 

[DeepDiver]

Hia father was born in Australia. Can you cite your source that he went overseas during the war and enlisted for the enemy?

His great grandfather was a premier lieutenant in the war. His family originated from Germany.

 

[Zebo]

His great grandfather was a premier lieutenant in the war. His family originated from Germany.

Could you please explain the relevance of this to the original post?

 

[Zebo]

So the source was this earlier in this thread - stuck in my mind - can't find any further verification as yet

Unsolved - The Family Murders

* Slurs against any group and hateful content will be removed in accordance with the rules and warnings issued. The Who's Who List #2,647 VICTIMS AB - Alan Barnes 16yo NM - Neil Muir 25yo PS - Peter Stogneff 14yo ML - Mark Langley 18yo RK- Richard Kelvin 15yo DS - Derrance Stevenson high...

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It doesn't appear the OP provided any justification or support for their proposition.

 

[DeepDiver]

Could you please explain the relevance of this to the original post?

Apologies, my intention was to reply to the comment you had replied to. I must have replied to yours by mistake

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Can't remember where I heard/read about it, but bve has stated his father (perhaps involved in German army in WW2?) was a particularly brutal person which had a considerable effect on his development in his early years.

(that probably sounds like I'm excusing his behavior, Im certainly not.....but my intent is to just bring up something that I'd heard him say, given not much is discussed/revealed about his early childhood).

I should point out, your comment that he did not attend Pultney Grammar is correct, however the mixed information may stem from that his younger brother is/was a teacher at this school