FTA-TV The Footy Show - 22/7/2010

[LongBomb]

Re: Aker - The Footy Show Thread

Obviously. I thought he did a good job in a difficult circumstance. Despite Garry Lions protestations, it was a Kangaroo court. He calmly told his side without resorting to slagging off anybody. Good work.

Yes he did an ok job. That is not the point.

The issue is he should not have been on the footy show in the first place!
The bulldogs have nothing to answer and throwing Rose to the bogans on the footy show was always going to end badly.

PR-101.

 

[Leon]

Re: Aker - The Footy Show Thread

The issue is he should not have been on the footy show in the first place!
The bulldogs have nothing to answer and throwing Rose to the bogans on the footy show was always going to end badly.

Yep

This is what I'm angry about too.

 

[manureid]

Re: Aker - The Footy Show Thread

Rose was a pure politician. Said lots without saying a thing. Even my misses was getting fed up with him repeating himself over and over again. He clearly could not/would not say anything in regard to the reasons, so he just kept sprouting the same 'party line' about 'trust yadayada' over and over. Made the whole interview a bit farcical when one side won't say anything, and in my eyes actually made the Dogs look worse.

And i am not particularly a fan of Akers either, and can imagine he may have done 'things', but the whole episode on the show left me with the opinion that the Dogs are full of shit and Brad Johnson and David Smorgan are tools.

This is probably not correct, but from an impartial point of view it is how it left me feeling rightly or wrongly.

 

[good4footy]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

The only people in this thread thinking Rose did "a good job" are bulldogs supporters. Hilarious. He came across as a know-nothing clown. "I won't get into a tit for tat" yeah because he knows nothing, has nothing on Aker.

I didn't think it could get so much worse for Footscray prior to the footy show but wow. There you go. Aker should sue for unfair dismissal and brand damage.

Rubbish. Rose handled himself with grace and professionalism. Acker handled himself like a tosser.

My favourite bit was when Acker was going on about he doesn't care what happens off field with his teamates and that therefore they shouldn't either. Wasn't he the one that said he wouldn't want to play wirth Carey after what happend off field!

Everything he says and does is to suit Acker. That's okay but don't start crying when the consequences of those actions lead to being given the boot from 2 clubs.

His final act of telling rose to Pi** Off after Rose had offered his hand to him was typical of the type of person Acker is.

 

[Ando727]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

His final act of telling rose to Pi** Off after Rose had offered his hand to him was typical of the type of person Acker is.

Aker was just calling the handshake for what it was. He did it in a joking way, but let's face it, it wasn't a sincere gesture from Rose. Why pretend that it was in any way friendly or sincere after what had been said by both parties on the show? Rose looked stupid even offering the handshake. He is a typical business school drone that thinks in terms of cliches and symbolism. If he thought that offering to shake Aker's hand had wrapped up the issue in a neat little bow, he is a bigger fool than he looked when he was speaking last night. This issue has passed the point of putting a nice face on it.

 

[db swannie]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

Rubbish. Rose handled himself with grace and professionalism. Acker handled himself like a tosser.

My favourite bit was when Acker was going on about he doesn't care what happens off field with his teamates and that therefore they shouldn't either. Wasn't he the one that said he wouldn't want to play wirth Carey after what happend off field!

Everything he says and does is to suit Acker. That's okay but don't start crying when the consequences of those actions lead to being given the boot from 2 clubs.

His final act of telling rose to Pi** Off after Rose had offered his hand to him was typical of the type of person Acker is.

I tend to agree on the final two points, especially the last. Aker stood up and shook the bloke's hand, then told him to piss off behind his back. His actions lacked a certain degree of grace, or diginity.

 

[Subprime]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

Really, so at the end of the interview with Cam, the reasons that Aker was sacked were still being restated patiently. The fact that it was very apparent that Sam and Aker were liars about the so called 'overhead another conversation' bullshit seems to be getting ignored by other supporters. A little less bias if you please

Can you elaborate/link to an article on this (sorry haven't followed closely enough), ta.

 

[BACCS]

Re: Aker - The Footy Show Thread

He said Aker was sacked for the club not being able to trust him, that is a perfect example of betraying trust.

That post makes zero sense, read it again and you might realise that too. It seems Aker was sacked because pretty much, the Bulldogs didn't want him playing there anymore, so they had to come up with some piss poor excuse to sack him. Unless Smorgon or Eade or whoever come out and say the exact details behind his sacking, proving Aker wrong, then we can only take Aker's word for it, which is making the Bulldogs look pathetic atm.

 

[hoggy34]

Footy Show viewers in Melbourne 15/7/2010 - 315,000

Footy Show viewers in Melbourne 22/7/2010 - 453,000!!

 

[BACCS]

Clearly the sacking. They ****ed up majorly in the other departments.

The Bulldogs definetley had to part ways with Aker, but it is the way it has been handled that is the problem. All they had to do was leave Aker in the VFL for the rest of the year, or come up with some dummy injury excuse, and left it at that, without any of this media bullshit. Allowing Aker a calmer exit, and the Bulldogs more respect than they have from many of the wider footy public right now. Brad Johnson has been an awesome player, but he sounds like one hell of a shit bloke.

 

[Mat the Cat]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

My favourite bit was when Acker was going on about he doesn't care what happens off field with his teamates and that therefore they shouldn't either. Wasn't he the one that said he wouldn't want to play wirth Carey after what happend off field!
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This is exactly right. I wish someone on the panel would have brought the Carey situation up. Aker's thoughts on that would have been interesting. Sure it was different, but it was still off field.

Rose was the perfect man for that situation. Smorgan and Aker would have been too emotional and it would have been embarrassing for the dogs.

 

[100action]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

This is the truth of it all, and that's the query I have with why the Bulldogs would even entertain the thought of sending their CEO on to try and give some balance.

His hands were tied before he even left Whitten oval.

No amount of rhetoric and party lines were going to answer the questions that the viewers or Aker wanted answered.

It bewilders me that the Bulldogs would not have just said "We terminated Jason's contract on the basis of what has already been discussed by the club, and while we appreciate the opportunity to state the reasons for his termination on your program we respectfully decline the invitation, and look forward to the weekends match".

PR Disaster averted.
Aker is left to tell the world he was wronged, and with no one talking back we all get sick of it and move on.

But they allowed the fire and all the ins and outs of what exactly happened to be stoked on national television tonight.

Did they honestly think Aker would just take the sacking in his stride, and disappear without voicing his opinion on it all to anyone who will listen......I just can't understand how they planned for or allowed it to get to the point it got to tonight on TFS.

I think the bulldogs were forced to send someone on to compensate for Hall ditching the show.

Might have been better off with Hall on anyway as some of those questions you cant even ask him, although Hall does deal poorly with sensitive questions ie "did you vote against having aker".

 

[Defacto]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

I think you'll find hall is supportive of aka.

Why didn't the bulldogs board tell the coach and players to HTFU and just keep aker in the vfl until the end of the year. After that he's gorn.

 

[twentytwo]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

Longbomb is on the money. Aker had home court advantage and played the audience. Channel 9 set the Bulldogs up for a fail, and they compounded it by sending in the wrong guy. Rose was clearly out-gunned and out-staged.

And who sends in someone with no knowledge of the issue at hand? Maybe they should have sent in Senator Conroy.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Re: Why was Rose speaking for the bulldogs on the footy show

Rubbish. Rose handled himself with grace and professionalism. Acker handled himself like a tosser.

My favourite bit was when Acker was going on about he doesn't care what happens off field with his teamates and that therefore they shouldn't either. Wasn't he the one that said he wouldn't want to play wirth Carey after what happend off field!

Everything he says and does is to suit Acker. That's okay but don't start crying when the consequences of those actions lead to being given the boot from 2 clubs.

His final act of telling rose to Pi** Off after Rose had offered his hand to him was typical of the type of person Acker is.

Couldn't agree more - thought it was one of the most insulting cowardly ambushes I'd seen on TV.

The point where Sam offered to go out and show Campbell Rose the text messages Aker from other players got was one of the most pathetic things I've seen him do - and he's done a lot of pathetic things over the years.


Thought Campbell Rose handled the situation with dignity and professionalism which is more then I can say for Gary Lyon and James Brayshaw who allowed Newman and Aker to continue the stitch-up. No doubt we'll get one of Gary's heartfelt speeches of apology over the next few days. Eddie McGuire would have stopped this debacle in its tracks.


Sam is always the one spouting the word 'logic' and commonsense and yet he's trying to present some rambling forensic bullshit about whether Aker was or wasn't sent letters, had a clean slate etc etc.

Here's the situation summed up for you Sam !!

Aker's a prick, the players didn't like him and they told him to piss off !!

 

[King Elvis]

A Smorgon tautology ... "all of the playing group voted unamiously"

Where's the players association in all this?.....

Same as the Power Board with Williams last year.

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Aker - The Footy Show Thread

Rose did a great job, spoke calmly and coherently, and made Aker look immateur.

He did a decent job of fronting up and saying very little; but it wasn't a good job.

And he spoke like somebody who wasn't emotionally attached to the entire saga; it's not hard to speak calmy and dispassionately when you aren't at the centre of it.

I also question whether the revelation that Akermanis had to sit at the front of his group being grilled is such a terrible thing to be revealed. Gary Lyon said that the Leading Teams concept was a big instigator in the cats winning their premierships. I distinctly remember an interview with Gary Ablett at the start of 2007 where he said exactly that, that he had been confronted by all the players who told him that he was not doing all he could for the team etc. This was viewed as a positive thing, noone chastised him for leaking confidential information. Ablett was happy with the whole arrangement, so we were too. Likewise when Chapman criticised his teammates publicly several weeks into that season.

It's a good concept, but it's not a 'one size fits all' program.

And that part of it, is extremely valuable, if done in the correct method.

If it isn't, and it's designed more as a witch-hunt than a method of delivering constructive criticism, then it's divisive and negative.

 

[stevebull]

Re: Aker - The Footy Show Thread

Gary's taken a side because he knows some Dogs players and he's heard their version of events..... TRUST!

So who are these leakers talking to Lyon? Bulldogs must find & sack them.

 

[Bazzar]

I think it was mentioned on MTR this morning that Campbell Roses son had a stroke yesterday and the Bulldogs still insisted he go on the Footy Show. Does anyone know if this is true?

 

[Plugger35]

Have to feel a bit sorry for Campbell Rose. The guy got ambushed big time and was never going to come out of it looking good, especially with Aker and Sam sitting there berating him. You wonder why Smorgon or Eade weren't there to take the heat since they are the ones responsible for sacking him.

Hard to know which side of the story to believe. Have a feeling we haven't heard the last of it though, Akermanis is not the sort of bloke who will just go quietly into the night. Could end up being a bigger distraction for the Bulldogs now than it would have been if they kept him until the end of the year.

 

[lions_den]

All they had to do was leave Aker in the VFL for the rest of the year, or come up with some dummy injury excuse, and left it at that

You really think Aker would have gone quiety that way?

 

[Ant_]

You really think Aker would have gone quiety that way?

Agree with this, no way this was going to end well.

 

[AC for PM]

I think it was mentioned on MTR this morning that Campbell Roses son had a stroke yesterday and the Bulldogs still insisted he go on the Footy Show. Does anyone know if this is true?

Surely not...??

 

[Bazzar]

Surely not...??

Same here. I have been looking at the various news sites but nothing is there. So i hope it was just a bad rumor.

 

[Turkey Tom]

My take on it (having just finished watching the show).
- Sam was his normal blustering incoherent self and Aker contradicted his version of events.
- Aker made some good points. Especially about the "unanimous" Smorgan comment. Also if you are a fringe player with your contract coming up for renewal it is not worth the risk of going against the "Leadership" system they have in place.
- Aker's understanding of the meaning of 'leaking' is different to clubs. Club = don't talk about it with anyone outside the club. Aker = it is ok to talk about it with friends.
- Campbell Rose was on a hiding to nothing, and did ok in the circumstances, but it should have been someone from the football department to answer the questions, not the CEO.
- The "Hulk" failing at the world record and then attacking Sam was the most entertaining part of the show.