Boxing The General Boxing Discussion Thread

[whiskeytown]

seven rounds to five was a fair call. it's not a tally of punches but of rounds, and it's not the number of punches in any round but the impact. add horn being more aggressive in most of the tight rounds and it's a fair result from two of the judges. well done jeff!

Couldn't agree more. I had it as a tight decision either way. 7 rounds to 5 is easily 6 rounds to 6 on another scorecard . I can't believe some of the judges scores... but punch stats don't capture the impact of a punch or which punch was cleaner or how a fighter was rocked or retreated after a punch. That's why we have judges (as shit as they can be) judging rounds and not total computerised punch stats deciding a fight

 

[Macpotata]

Thinking horn lost shows you guys don't know how to score it. Horn was cruising and could have been up 5 points at one stage. As for the ref saying he'd call the fight off that was one bad round for Horn and granted it could have been given 10-8 to PAC but there is no way this fight was a scam.

PAC came on strong late, but by then the fight was gone. Even some of the later rounds which could have gone his way could also have gone to Horn.

 

[Mead]

Boxing keeps bringing the lolz.

This result makes me feel bad for Horn. The fact that he battled hard all fight and won a lot of credibility as a fighter is going to get completely lost in the media shitfight which will now ensue.

 

[Infamy]

I wanted Horn to win, but not on a bullshit decision like that.
I had him winning no more than 4 rounds
At least we get a rematch though, it was an exciting fight to watch

 

[Beavis07]

That's why we have judges (as shit as they can be) judging rounds and not total computerised punch stats deciding a fight

The ironic part is that these computerised punch stats are simply people (less qualified than judges) pushing buttons based off what they see. It's completely subjective.

 

[Furn2]

http://www.boxingscene.com/scorecards

Fans mostly from US had Pac 116-112.

 

[flamethrower]

Seppos sooking it up big time. Wilbon should stick to commenting about his underachieving Chicago sports teams.

 

[Gigantic]

Boxing keeps bringing the lolz.

This result makes me feel bad for Horn. The fact that he battled hard all fight and won a lot of credibility as a fighter is going to get completely lost in the media shitfight which will now ensue.

Aussie media are eating his victory up, no problems there. It's probably the boxing fraternity and the die hard fans who are infuriated

But either way, he got a massive pay day and a belt to show for. He'll be fine

 

[maryjames]

manny beat mayweather. That was a rigged fight.

 

[Furn2]

manny beat mayweather. That was a rigged fight.

That's a small minority's point of view tho.

 

[zahoorahkis]

The worst robbery in Australia since another Asian legend, Fighting Harada, got worked in 1969 by Johnny Famechon in NSW.

Seriously, I know Horn was the busier fighter and and walked forward most of the fight, but effective aggression does not include headbutts and holding and hitting.

As to clean punching, come on now...

Horn's defense was also pretty shabby. He got countered continually.

I don't see how you could call him the ring general, Pac slowly broke him down and dissected him down the stretch, but he was walking forward and taking Manny's best, so yeah credit for that.

 

[zahoorahkis]

manny beat mayweather. That was a rigged fight.

Anyone that thinks Horn beating Pac was a fair decision should have Manny shutting Floyd out.

 

[Warsaw]

lmao. Just watched it, fight was closer than Atlas made it out to be but still no where near enough where you can reasonably justify Horn winning it.

The judge who scored it 117-111 needs to never score another fight again. Judging as a whole needs to be rectified before the sport turns into WWE. Sequester the judges, or add more of them. Something, because you can't have fights being judged on handicaps...

Fairplay to Horn though, came out with gusto and got back into it after looking dead on his feet. Shoutout to Argentina as well, it looked and sounded great.

 

[Bazzar]

The worst robbery in Australia since another Asian legend, Fighting Harada, got worked in 1969 by Johnny Famechon in NSW.

Seriously, I know Horn was the busier fighter and and walked forward most of the fight, but effective aggression does not include headbutts and holding and hitting.

As to clean punching, come on now...

Horn's defense was also pretty shabby. He got countered continually.

I don't see how you could call him the ring general, Pac slowly broke him down and dissected him down the stretch, but he was walking forward and taking Manny's best, so yeah credit for that.

You obviously missed Fenech v Nelson, and "effective aggression does not include headbutts" who are you referring to with headbutts, Horn or Pac? Head clash count was about even.

 

[Furn2]

You obviously missed Fenech v Nelson, and "effective aggression does not include headbutts" who are you referring to with headbutts, Horn or Pac? Head clash count was about even.

Any real boxing fans have Fenech winning that first fight by 4 rounds.

This was closer but Pac won, he landed the telling shots in most rounds.

 

[zahoorahkis]

You obviously missed Fenech v Nelson, and "effective aggression does not include headbutts" who are you referring to with headbutts, Horn or Pac? Head clash count was about even.

Read my post again, I said worst robbery IN AUSTRALIA.

And yeah both clashed heads, but Horn landed the cleaner, more effective headbutts.

Unlike the punches.

Which actually score points.

 

[Furn2]

The scoring system in fighting is broke anyway.

 

[Furn2]

Read my post again, I said worst robbery IN AUSTRALIA.

An yeah both clashed heads, but Horn landed the cleaner, more effective headbutts.

Unlike the punches.

Which actually score points.

Was a close fight tho

Pac won but there where 8-9 close rounds.

 

[Bazzar]

Any real boxing fans have Fenech winning that first fight by 4 rounds.

This was closer but Pac won, he landed the telling shots in most rounds.

Of course Fenech won, he was robbed so bad it was a disgrace ( I was lucky to be ringside that fight 6 rows back) but this today wasn't rigged, it was closer than many here are complaining about. Right from the start the American commentary was massively biased and I felt that gave the impression to a lot of of viewers he was in complete control.
For what it's worth I gave Horn rounds 1, 4, 6, 7 and 12, and Pac 3, 8, 9 and 10 with 2, 5 and 11 to hard to call, or even.

 

[Bazzar]

Read my post again, I said worst robbery IN AUSTRALIA.

Yes, and I said you obviously missed Fenech v Nelson in Australia

 

[zahoorahkis]

The scoring system in fighting is broke anyway.

Not nearly as broken as the corrupt cun#s that apply it.

Of course Fenech won, he was robbed so bad it was a disgrace ( I was lucky to be ringside that fight 6 rows back) but this today wasn't rigged, it was closer than many here are complaining about. Right from the start the American commentary for was massively biased and I felt that gave the impression to a lot of of viewers he was in complete control.
For what it's worth I gave Horn rounds 1, 4, 6, 7 and 12, and Pac 3, 8, 9 and 10 with 2, 5 and 11 to hard to call, or even.

Mate please, there was a judge there that had this 117-111 Horn!

I think Horn's mum had a closer card than that.

This was as cooked as Whitaker-Chavez, Lewis-Holyfield I and Fenech-Nelson I from my perspective.

You can't be the bigger puncher, land the cleaner shots, outland someone 2 punches to 1, have someone on the verge of going (which HAD to be a 10-8 round) and round up losing with a 117-111 decision.

 

[Furn2]

Of course Fenech won, he was robbed so bad it was a disgrace ( I was lucky to be ringside that fight 6 rows back) but this today wasn't rigged, it was closer than many here are complaining about. Right from the start the American commentary was massively biased and I felt that gave the impression to a lot of of viewers he was in complete control.
For what it's worth I gave Horn rounds 1, 4, 6, 7 and 12, and Pac 3, 8, 9 and 10 with 2, 5 and 11 to hard to call, or even.

I was at the fight and everyone was screaming that Horn needed a KO in the last round.

You can make a case for him
Winning but you better call Saul

 

[zahoorahkis]

Yes, and I said you obviously missed Fenech v Nelson in Australia

So you think Fenech was robbed in Australia?

Of what? His senses when Nelson clean clocked him?

 

[Furn2]

Not nearly as broken as the corrupt cun#s that apply it.


Mate please, there was a judge there that had this 117-111 Horn!

I think Horn's mum had a closer card than that.

This was as cooked as Whitaker-Chavez, Lewis-Holyfield I and Fenech-Nelson I from my perspective.

You can't be the bigger puncher, land the cleaner shots, outland someone 2 punches to 1, have someone on the verge of going (which HAD to be a 10-8 round) and round a 117-111 decision.

Yeah but. if have to call a .05, 1, 1.5 round you can't hide like they do now.

Epic historic knowledge tho!!

 

[zahoorahkis]

So you think Fenech was robbed in Australia?

Of what? His senses when Nelson clean clocked him?

Oh hang on are you referring to Fenech-Nelson 3???

Yeah I did miss that one.