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[Topkent]

Rarely, if ever, a perfect victim and perfect story with a rape case.

Again, the jury heard alllllll of those inconsistencies and still found him liable, I say this genuinely, you’re a smart dude and a good poster, so I’m gonna assume you’ve also read all the expert evidence and medical evidence that makes him look extremely ****ing guilty (or liable for this convo).

In any event, again, this really isn’t the place for the “is she lying” convo. Everyone is entitled to their opinion I just don’t think this is the place for that.

That's fine but if you're gonna post as it's extremely certain he did it, I think people are entitled to question it aswell. Like i said, it was also thrown out of 2 other courts so it's not a cut and dry matter. If this was a criminal court and it was beyond reasonable doubt then yes that's different. Also you're not quite reading what I'm saying, I'm not saying she's lying about the sexual assault, I'm saying there's parts of the overall story that really don't make alot of sense.

 

[phantom13]

That's fine but if you're gonna post as it's extremely certain he did it, I think people are entitled to question it aswell. Like i said, it was also thrown out of 2 other courts so it's not a cut and dry matter. If this was a criminal court and it was beyond reasonable doubt then yes that's different. Also you're not quite reading what I'm saying, I'm not saying she's lying about the sexual assault, I'm saying there's parts of the overall story that really don't make alot of sense.

I have my opinion, I’m not denying that, but the fact is that the case that did go to court he was found liable, I’m not stating anything as fact, I’m presenting the facts.

My understanding is that it was never brought to trial criminally but that prosecutors determined there was insufficient evidence for a criminal case (I stand to be corrected on that) but frankly either way if you know the conviction rates and process of criminal rape cases than you’d also know that it not going to trial proves absolutely nothing except that it’s remarkably difficult to get a conviction in rape cases, especially ones that aren’t as cut and dried as most people think when they think rape.

I’m not too sure what relevance an inconsistent drunken night out has on whether she was r*ped or not? It’s not like she’s denied being drunk or high. This sort of stuff is why a lot of women (and men) don’t report or pursue rapes, because every single detail has to be spot ****ing on otherwise the whole story is brought into question. That’s your right to do obviously but it’s a problematic view of it imo.

I’m not gonna post about this again because I’m just entering into the exact convo I really don’t think this board should be having and I’m only noting what I’ve actually said and responded to.

 

[Topkent]

I have my opinion, I’m not denying that, but the fact is that the case that did go to court he was found liable, I’m not stating anything as fact, I’m presenting the facts.

My understanding is that it was never brought to trial criminally but that prosecutors determined there was insufficient evidence for a criminal case (I stand to be corrected on that) but frankly either way if you know the conviction rates and process of criminal rape cases than you’d also know that it not going to trial proves absolutely nothing except that it’s remarkably difficult to get a conviction in rape cases, especially ones that aren’t as cut and dried as most people think when they think rape.

I’m not too sure what relevance an inconsistent drunken night out has on whether she was r*ped or not? It’s not like she’s denied being drunk or high. This sort of stuff is why a lot of women (and men) don’t report or pursue rapes, because every single detail has to be spot ****ing on otherwise the whole story is brought into question. That’s your right to do obviously but it’s a problematic view of it imo.

I’m not gonna post about this again because I’m just entering into the exact convo I really don’t think this board should be having and I’m only noting what I’ve actually said and responded to.

I didnt equate her lying about being on drugs to to lying about being r*ped, I said there's very clear inconsistencys in her story which means it's open to question things. If you're capable of lying to your own husband and daughter then others have the right to not believe everything you say

 

[the_interloper]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was bs.

So you’re not surprised mother****er?

 

[Topkent]

Back to MMA, here's the other side of the coin. Bunch of PFL and Bellator fighters complaining the can't get fights now because they've spent all their money paying Ngannou for a shit PPV return.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

So you’re not surprised mother****er?

 

[Ry009]

If TKO's WWE & Brock Lesnar is any guide, it'll be a while

I'm a massive WWE fan, and while WWE have a less than sparkling past - they have at least some record of firing/suspending people over stuff.

As long as you make $, doesn't matter if you're a drug cheat or shit human - Dana forgives and forgets pretty quickly.

Providing Conor doesn't do something stupid again in the next 12 months, I reckon we'll probably see him again. If anything it's probably given more leverage to UFC to pay him less (not that in anyway is the main point of all this - Conor has managed to demonstrate pretty regularly he's a narcissistic POS)

 

[phantom13]

I'm a massive WWE fan, and while WWE have a less than sparkling past - they have at least some record of firing/suspending people over stuff.

As long as you make $, doesn't matter if you're a drug cheat or shit human - Dana forgives and forgets pretty quickly.

Providing Conor doesn't do something stupid again in the next 12 months, I reckon we'll probably see him again. If anything it's probably given more leverage to UFC to pay him less (not that in anyway is the main point of all this - Conor has managed to demonstrate pretty regularly he's a narcissistic POS)

Dana did wrist slap Jones for some of his criminal stuff with a suspension. We really don’t have another comparison for a BIG star and indiscretions.

It feels very PR driven and Jones cases seemed to get a lot more press than Conor’s.

Between that and being a civil case and not a criminal case I suspect the UFC won’t action it at all.

 

[the_interloper]

Dana did wrist slap Jones for some of his criminal stuff with a suspension. We really don’t have another comparison for a BIG star and indiscretions.

It feels very PR driven and Jones cases seemed to get a lot more press than Conor’s.

Between that and being a civil case and not a criminal case I suspect the UFC won’t action it at all.

The fact it is civil really does give them an out you’re right

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Conor doesn't need the UFC... The UFC doesn't need Conor, but they do love that Conor money.
If I was Conor I'd probably walk away at this point. Been there, done that, made a squillion. There's no easy fights. He's fought bugger all for years. Last fought in July 2021. 36 years old.
Unless he has something to prove to himself he may as well give it away.

 

[Topkent]

Conor doesn't need the UFC... The UFC doesn't need Conor, but they do love that Conor money.
If I was Conor I'd probably walk away at this point. Been there, done that, made a squillion. There's no easy fights. He's fought bugger all for years. Last fought in July 2021. 36 years old.
Unless he has something to prove to himself he may as well give it away.

He can't walk away he's the most ego driven w***er going around, problem is he can't commit to fighting/training either

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

He can't walk away he's the most ego driven w***er going around, problem is he can't commit to fighting/training either

I think he could easily walk away.

 

[Topkent]

I think he could easily walk away.

Mate this the same guy who can't help but insert himself into every potential fight scenario even though he's fought three times in 7 years or something

 

[phantom13]

I think he could easily walk away.

He could in terms of he has the money, means etc. but Topkent is right, even the fact he bounces in and out of it all, he ADORES the limelight and attention

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Mate this the same guy who can't help but insert himself into every potential fight scenario even though he's fought three times in 7 years or something

Yeah and?
He has always tried to, and succeeded, at keeping himself relevant.

 

[the_interloper]

Conor doesn't need the UFC... The UFC doesn't need Conor, but they do love that Conor money.
If I was Conor I'd probably walk away at this point. Been there, done that, made a squillion. There's no easy fights. He's fought bugger all for years. Last fought in July 2021. 36 years old.
Unless he has something to prove to himself he may as well give it away.

I don’t know why he isn’t chasing Jake Paul, that would be massive let’s be honest, makes sense at this stage in his career.

 

[Topkent]

I don’t know why he isn’t chasing Jake Paul, that would be massive let’s be honest, makes sense at this stage in his career.

UFC contract

 

[Joker91]

Conor doesn't need the UFC... The UFC doesn't need Conor, but they do love that Conor money.
If I was Conor I'd probably walk away at this point. Been there, done that, made a squillion. There's no easy fights. He's fought bugger all for years. Last fought in July 2021. 36 years old.
Unless he has something to prove to himself he may as well give it away.

The training, the camps, the fights bring some discipline into his life.

Bloke goes off the rails on benders when he isn’t committed to fighting.

 

[phantom13]

The training, the camps, the fights bring some discipline into his life.

Bloke goes off the rails on benders when he isn’t committed to fighting.

I think a big part of the issue is that he isn’t committed to fighting anymore. Fight camp or not.

He’s achieved just about everything a fighter could (except defending a title) at this point and he doesn’t NEED to do it anymore.

He’s 1-3 in the last 6 years in mma hasn’t fought at all in 3 years (which will almost certainly be 4 years if he took a fight now), he’s on the wrong side of 35 and needs mma about as much as I need a third nipple.

IF he ever fights again it’ll be for ego or some beef with someone, neither is a great motivator and I doubt he’s gonna lock himself away and just train for 8-12 weeks without partying a bit during that time.

I don’t mean any of this as a criticism either, I doubt I’d wanna have someone trying to put me to sleep if I was worth a hundred million.

 

[Topkent]

I think a big part of the issue is that he isn’t committed to fighting anymore. Fight camp or not.

He’s achieved just about everything a fighter could (except defending a title) at this point and he doesn’t NEED to do it anymore.

He’s 1-3 in the last 6 years in mma hasn’t fought at all in 3 years (which will almost certainly be 4 years if he took a fight now), he’s on the wrong side of 35 and needs mma about as much as I need a third nipple.

IF he ever fights again it’ll be for ego or some beef with someone, neither is a great motivator and I doubt he’s gonna lock himself away and just train for 8-12 weeks without partying a bit during that time.

I don’t mean any of this as a criticism either, I doubt I’d wanna have someone trying to put me to sleep if I was worth a hundred million.

Feel like it's guaranteed he'll fight Jake Paul for 50 million at some point, too easy money for **** all risk

 

[phantom13]

Feel like it's guaranteed he'll fight Jake Paul for 50 million at some point, too easy money for **** all risk

And I’ll ****ing watch it too and HATE myself for it

 

[Topkent]

And I’ll ****ing watch it too and HATE myself for it

Might be the first fight I want Jake Paul to win lol

 

[the_interloper]

UFC contract

There'd be a way to negotiate that, Paul v McGregor would probably be as big as Mayweather v McGregor, enough pie for everyone to get a slice.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Nugs don't want that JP smoke

 

[Around the Wicket]

Hopefully Ian Garry wins, refreshing.. he’d make a good champ, won’t dodge anyone.