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[phantom13]

Rockhold was a guy who’s chin went.

Izzy isn’t (yet I suppose).

 

[phantom13]

Thanks for taking the time to list those things, my comment was

"I haven't seen anybody here quote the specific thing he said which has riled everybody up."

And I still haven't.

I'll have to find a copy somewhere to listen for myself.

This is the problem with the way Dana and others have handled this.

They could have directly quoted Bryce and then explained how or why he is factually incorrect.

Instead they have just done the 'he said [insert bad sounding thing]' and then gone straight to ad hominem.

This just fuels the very same people who saw what happened to Kanye for his wild remarks a couple years back.

You can see this in the comments of Dana's press conference, these are people who feel like there is an agenda behind the scenes.

The easiest way to shut them up is to directly quote the people who are wrong, and show how and why they are wrong.

Wow. I mean me and topkent had a pretty ****ing solid disagreement about all this but he actually did exactly what you asked (Hitler wasn’t a bad guy) and noted allllll the details that quite rightly riled people up.
Hes been directly quoted about Hitler being a good guy and Hitler wanting to stop the Jews from gaying up the kids etc.

There’s no conspiracy cabal here. Mitchell said a bunch of factually incorrect (Holocaust never happened) and wildly racist and homophobic stuff. Anyone trying to claim that’s not biggie or that he’s been censored or whatever is way way way off base.

 

[Topkent]

Wow. I mean me and topkent had a pretty ****ing solid disagreement about all this but he actually did exactly what you asked (Hitler wasn’t a bad guy) and noted allllll the details that quite rightly riled people up.
Hes been directly quoted about Hitler being a good guy and Hitler wanting to stop the Jews from gaying up the kids etc.

There’s no conspiracy cabal here. Mitchell said a bunch of factually incorrect (Holocaust never happened) and wildly racist and homophobic stuff. Anyone trying to claim that’s not biggie or that he’s been censored or whatever is way way way off base.

Not gonna lie I'm a bit confused what his point was, thought I listed most of what was said unless he doesn't find any of that out of line lol

 

[phantom13]

Not gonna lie I'm a bit confused what his point was, thought I listed most of what was said unless he doesn't find any of that out of line lol

The two options here are

- M2F doesnt believe you direct quoted Mitchell (which you did) and thinks that not directly quoting isnt acceptable. Feels pedantic given the points being made (its also false you both directly quoted Mitchell and summarized most of his rambling insanity pretty well).

- M2F has seen your direct quotes and summary and thinks that the information provided by Mitchell is both accurate and acceptable content

Either one isnt great IMO.

 

[00Stinger]

Rockhold was a guy who’s chin went.

Izzy isn’t (yet I suppose).

yeah Rockholds chin was gone for sure

 

[Crimson Azure]

So how's them fights anyway. Make or break for Izzy, think Shara and Sergei get it done pretty easy.

Its break.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Bums me out seeing Izzy stopped like that. He looked good, sharp early.

Decent fight night event.

Think he looked sharp early? I was very concerned with how easily Ima was getting close to him. It just didn't happen years ago.

 

[Dan]

Think he looked sharp early? I was very concerned with how easily Ima was getting close to him. It just didn't happen years ago.

Does anyone know how the 1st round was scored?

I think part of Izzy's problem is his success has come back to bite him. With every fight the competition slowly gets better and better....and the more you fight the more information you give to your opponents on how you do fight ie- patterns, strengths & weaknesses.

 

[the_interloper]

I think MVP might be one of the shittest fighters ever to watch. It's like constantly waiting for something that's never gonna happen.

Kind of like when I saw Adesanya v Silva live, two counter strikers together is often a shit fight. This is the reason I don't want Wonderboy to fight Page, would be lacklustre IMO.

And Bryce Mitchell hey? I've heard him say a lot of unhinged stuff but this takes the cake, doesn't sound like Dana will get rid of him though.

 

[Topkent]

Kind of like when I saw Adesanya v Silva live, two counter strikers together is often a shit fight. This is the reason I don't want Wonderboy to fight Page, would be lacklustre IMO.

And Bryce Mitchell hey? I've heard him say a lot of unhinged stuff but this takes the cake, doesn't sound like Dana will get rid of him though.

Completely agree, not at all interested in watching that one I'm sure it'll be alot of nothing.

I read someone put in perfectly about MVP, you feel like you can never look away when you're watching, but when you do you never feel like you've missed anything

Oh and Bryce lol.
You gotta love someone so confidently be so ****ing stupid lol

 

[the_interloper]

Completely agree, not at all interested in watching that one I'm sure it'll be alot of nothing.

I read someone put in perfectly about MVP, you feel like you can never look away when you're watching, but when you do you never feel like you've missed anything

Oh and Bryce lol.
You gotta love someone so confidently be so ****ing stupid lol

I heard Mitchell on Helwani's pod during COVID, among other things he said Australians were locked up in their houses and not allowed to leave at all, I mean I was driving around listening to the pod at the time. Dude is cooked, he is a helluva grappler though, interesting to see the reception when he fights again.

 

[Topkent]

I heard Mitchell on Helwani's pod during COVID, among other things he said Australians were locked up in their houses and not allowed to leave at all, I mean I was driving around listening to the pod at the time. Dude is cooked, he is a helluva grappler though, interesting to see the reception when he fights again.

He seems to be the type of dumb campaigner who thinks people should do they research and learn more rather than just listening to what you're taught in schools ( not a terrible principal on its own) whilst also doing the absolute bare minimum of research to any subject and taking what he chooses to read at face value lol.

 

[the_interloper]

He seems to be the type of dumb campaigner who thinks people should do they research and learn more rather than just listening to what you're taught in schools ( not a terrible principal on its own) whilst also doing the absolute bare minimum of research to any subject and taking what he chooses to read at face value lol.

Yeah pretty much. And "doing your own research" also means to try and get a decent source of information, you can tell with what he says he's looking at the crackpot websites (a workmate is cooked and shows me his info sources, bit scary)

 

[Topkent]

Yeah pretty much. And "doing your own research" also means to try and get a decent source of information, you can tell with what he says he's looking at the crackpot websites (a workmate is cooked and shows me his info sources, bit scary)

Yeah he clearly refuses to trust any source of mainstream media about anything and probably gets his news of Reddit or something

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Wow. I mean me and topkent had a pretty ****ing solid disagreement about all this but he actually did exactly what you asked (Hitler wasn’t a bad guy) and noted allllll the details that quite rightly riled people up.
Hes been directly quoted about Hitler being a good guy and Hitler wanting to stop the Jews from gaying up the kids etc.

There’s no conspiracy cabal here. Mitchell said a bunch of factually incorrect (Holocaust never happened) and wildly racist and homophobic stuff. Anyone trying to claim that’s not biggie or that he’s been censored or whatever is way way way off base.

Maybe you don't know what a quote is but you seem way too smart for that, so I'm not sure how we ended up here.

A quote is when you repeat, verbatim, what the person in question said (or wrote).

That is, word for word, what they actually said, without paraphrasing it or putting it in your own words.

Then, to signify it, you put these things "" around the words, so people know it is a direct quote.

Or, when speaking about what somebody said, you can say, 'and I quote', then repeat the person's words verbatim.

That isn't what Dana or Topkent or anybody else in this thread (so far as I am aware) have done.

The reason why direct quotes are so important is because there's a lot of misinfo out there.

Some people will intentionally misrepresent what other people have said, for their own ideological reasons.

Sticking to direct quotes helps to avoid all of that.

And I will repeat what I wrote earlier (you can quote me on this):

"The easiest way to shut them up is to directly quote the people who are wrong, and show how and why they are wrong."

Maybe I'll be the one who does with Bryce, if I bother to listen to his podcast.

I'll get direct quotes and show how he is wrong (if indeed he is wrong)*

*Which he probably is, in my opinion, if he actually said some of the stuff people are attributing to him.

 

[Topkent]

Maybe you don't know what a quote is but you seem way too smart for that, so I'm not sure how we ended up here.

A quote is when you repeat, verbatim, what the person in question said (or wrote).

That is, word for word, what they actually said, without paraphrasing it or putting it in your own words.

Then, to signify it, you put these things "" around the words, so people know it is a direct quote.

Or, when speaking about what somebody said, you can say, 'and I quote', then repeat the person's words verbatim.

That isn't what Dana or Topkent or anybody else in this thread (so far as I am aware) have done.

The reason why direct quotes are so important is because there's a lot of misinfo out there.

Some people will intentionally misrepresent what other people have said, for their own ideological reasons.

Sticking to direct quotes helps to avoid all of that.

And I will repeat what I wrote earlier (you can quote me on this):

"The easiest way to shut them up is to directly quote the people who are wrong, and show how and why they are wrong."

Maybe I'll be the one who does with Bryce, if I bother to listen to his podcast.

I'll get direct quotes and show how he is wrong (if indeed he is wrong)*

*Which he probably is, in my opinion, if he actually said some of the stuff people are attributing to him.

Trust me mate, I didn't misqoute him lol if anything I was probably kind to him

 

[Quivorir]

I mean its a 2 minute clip if that. At this point you could have just gone and watched it yourself.

 

[phantom13]

Pretty sure YouTube took it down already lol
It was basically
Jews are sneaky disgusting interest rate making people
Hitler wasnt a bad guy ( that's verbatim)
He was just protecting his people from the Jews who were gaying up his women and men and making transgender people
Id go fishing with Hitler ( verbatim)
I'm not a jew hater I've never killed one ( verbatim)
Concentration camps weren't even that bad, they were treated well
They weren't real anyway, couldn't have actually killed that many people
The japs deserved to be in the camps in america

I'm probably forgetting a shitload of it as well, Bryce Mitchell is a deadset ******

Maybe you don't know what a quote is but you seem way too smart for that, so I'm not sure how we ended up here.

A quote is when you repeat, verbatim, what the person in question said (or wrote).

That is, word for word, what they actually said, without paraphrasing it or putting it in your own words.

Then, to signify it, you put these things "" around the words, so people know it is a direct quote.

Or, when speaking about what somebody said, you can say, 'and I quote', then repeat the person's words verbatim.

That isn't what Dana or Topkent or anybody else in this thread (so far as I am aware) have done.

The reason why direct quotes are so important is because there's a lot of misinfo out there.

Some people will intentionally misrepresent what other people have said, for their own ideological reasons.

Sticking to direct quotes helps to avoid all of that.

And I will repeat what I wrote earlier (you can quote me on this):

"The easiest way to shut them up is to directly quote the people who are wrong, and show how and why they are wrong."

Maybe I'll be the one who does with Bryce, if I bother to listen to his podcast.

I'll get direct quotes and show how he is wrong (if indeed he is wrong)*

*Which he probably is, in my opinion, if he actually said some of the stuff people are attributing to him.

You know another way you can quote someone is to say verbatim. The exact definition of verbatim is "in exactly the same words as were used originally". Amazingly enough if you check Topkent quote its right there (ive highlighted it for you).

You seem aaaaaaabsolutely desperate to imply Mitchell has been misrepresented here when a quick google will show you he most definitely has not.

I also quite clearly noted that you either think he didnt directly quote him (which youre wrong about) OR you think what he was quoted as saying isnt that bad.

Were no closer to knowing which it was but by all means man, do youre own research and come back, were all dying to see your opinion on the matter.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

You know another way you can quote someone is to say verbatim. The exact definition of verbatim is "in exactly the same words as were used originally". Amazingly enough if you check Topkent quote its right there (ive highlighted it for you).

You seem aaaaaaabsolutely desperate to imply Mitchell has been misrepresented here when a quick google will show you he most definitely has not.

I also quite clearly noted that you either think he didnt directly quote him (which youre wrong about) OR you think what he was quoted as saying isnt that bad.

Were no closer to knowing which it was but by all means man, do youre own research and come back, were all dying to see your opinion on the matter.

So the 'hitler wasn't a bad guy' line was verbatim i.e. a quote, but the rest weren't, is that what you're saying?

If so then we are in agreement here.

 

[phantom13]

So the 'hitler wasn't a bad guy' line was verbatim i.e. a quote, but the rest weren't, is that what you're saying?

If so then we are in agreement here.

You asked for a direct quote of what he said, if anyone gave you a direct transcript of the whole rambling podcast it would be a whole page long (and it would contravene the site rules).

You got a direct quote and a summary of all the other shit he said.

• Hitler wasnt a bad guy
• He was a nationalist who hated Jews
• He hated Jews because they were gaying up the kids
• If you do your own research youll see its impossible to burn 4 million (number may vary) bodies so the holocaust never happened

Now personally i dont need direct quotes to know that all that shit is both false and ****ed and id be quite happy to just say "well if thats what he said then thats false and ****ed".

You went another way by trying to claim that he may have been misrepresented.

At this point just google it and make your own mind up.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

I mean its a 2 minute clip if that. At this point you could have just gone and watched it yourself.

I went and found the clip, here it is:



He said:

"I honestly think that Hitler was a good guy based upon my own research. Not my public education, indoctrination. I really do think before Hitler got on the meth, he was a guy I'd go fishing with. He fought for his country, he wanted to purify it by kicking the greedy * out, that were destroying his country and turnin' 'em all into gays. The were gayin' up the kids, queerin' up the women, they were queerin' up the dudes. They were... Do you know where the first trans surgery ever was? Happened to be in Germany before Hitler took over. You know the books that everyone makes fun of Hitler burnin', you know what the books was? Queer books! Hitler burned queer books! Because Hitler didn't want a bunch of queers destroying his nation, they can't produce children. Okay. When he got on meth and he turned on Russia, I believe that's when he kinda went full nutty, and I don't think that he was just, like... the best dude ever, and I when I say I'd go fishin' with him, I don't mean he was the most trustworthy -- [end of video]"

That is a transcript I just wrote, based on the clip above.

I'd be interested to know what he said next (the video cuts out as he is speaking) and how much more of his podcast involved stuff like this, but I've already done more to quote the guy than anybody else here, and it took me about five or ten minutes, and I'm not even the one mad at the guy.

As I wrote yesterday, I don't generally listen to athletes' podcasts, and this is a classic example of why, it is unhinged.

I like listening to MMA fighters and boxers on the Joe Rogan show, and that's about it.

And those are the main JR shows I listen to because most of his other stuff is a complete waste of time imho, largely for the same reason why athlete podcasts are crap. People talking about things they have little if any insight into or knowledge about.

EDIT: I also used to listen to Ariel Helwani interviews with fighters, not sure why I stopped, Ariel is one of the very few legit journalists in the game.

For the record, I'd also happily meet any major historical figure, 'good' or 'evil', to find out what they have to say for themselves, in their own words. Wouldn't you?

I didn't know this until just now but Mitchell was right about the first 'trans surgery', as Bryce calls it, (which is presently known as 'gender affirming surgery') which was performed in Germany in the 1920s, according to Brittanica. What that had to do with Hitler, I don't know.

As for Bryce's claims about the books which Hitler burned, I'll have to spend more time looking into that, I don't know if it is true or not.

 

[phantom13]

I went and found the clip, here it is:



He said:

"I honestly think that Hitler was a good guy based upon my own research. Not my public education, indoctrination. I really do think before Hitler got on the meth, he was a guy I'd go fishing with. He fought for his country, he wanted to purify it by kicking the greedy * out, that were destroying his country and turnin em all into gays. The were gayin up the kids, the queerin up the women, they were queerin up the dudes. They were... Do you know where the first trans surgery ever was? Happened to be in Germany before Hitler took over. You know the books that everyone makes fun of Hitler burnin, you know what the books was? Queer books! Hitler burned queer books! Because Hitler didn't want a bunch of queers destroying his nation, they can't produce children. Okay. When he got on meth and he turned on Russia, I believe that's when he kinda went full nutty, and I don't think that he was just, like... the best dude ever, and I when I say I'd go fishin with him, I don't mean he was the most trustworthy -- [end of video]"

That is a transcript I just wrote, based on the clip above.

I'd be interested to know what he said next, and how much more of his podcast involved stuff like this, but I've already done more to quote the guy than anybody else here, and it took me about five or ten minutes, and I'm not even the one mad at the guy.

As I wrote yesterday, I don't generally listen to athletes' podcasts, and this is a classic example of why, it is unhinged.

I like listening to MMA fighters and boxers on the Joe Rogan show, and that's about it.

And those are the main JR shows I listen to because most of his other stuff is a complete waste of time imho, largely for the same reason why athlete podcasts are crap. People talking about things they have little if any insight into or knowledge about.

For the record, I'd also happily meet any major historical figure, 'good' or 'evil', to find out what they have to say for themselves, in their own words. Wouldn't you?

I didn't know this until just now but Mitchell was right about the first 'trans surgery', as Bryce calls it, (which is presently known as 'gender affirming surgery') was performed in Germany in the 1920s, according to Brittanica. What that had to do with Hitler, I don't know.

As for Bryce's claims about the books which Hitler burned, I'll have to spend more time looking into that, I don't know if it is true or not.

So which part of the transcript was misrepresented by anyone?

• Hitler wasnt a bad guy
• He was a nationalist who hated Jews
• He hated Jews because they were gaying up the kids
• If you do your own research youll see its impossible to burn 4 million (number may vary) bodies so the holocaust never happened

But youre giddy at noting the first gender reassignment happened in Germany (what relevance that has to Hitlers prominence other than potentially showing it irrationally made him mad at the LGBTIQ+ community)

Also note you have said absolutely nothing about whether hes wrong about that shit OR whether its a ****ed opinion which frankly i think speaks volumes.

And no, i have no real interest in meeting Hitler, the many, many records and history books tell me i wouldnt agree with or find any common ground with his ideaology.

To be frank, you sound alot like Bryce "do youre own research and keep an open mind" while ignoring most of the verified and proven research.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

So which part of the transcript was misrepresented by anyone?

• Hitler wasnt a bad guy
• He was a nationalist who hated Jews
• He hated Jews because they were gaying up the kids
• If you do your own research youll see its impossible to burn 4 million (number may vary) bodies so the holocaust never happened

But youre giddy at noting the first gender reassignment happened in Germany (what relevance that has to Hitlers prominence other than potentially showing it irrationally made him mad at the LGBTIQ+ community)

Also note you have said absolutely nothing about whether hes wrong about that shit OR whether its a ****ed opinion which frankly i think speaks volumes.

And no, i have no real interest in meeting Hitler, the many, many records and history books tell me i wouldnt agree with or find any common ground with his ideaology.

To be frank, you sound alot like Bryce "do youre own research and keep an open mind" while ignoring most of the verified and proven research.

In the clip which I transcribed, Mitchell didn't say that Hitler 'hated' Jews, so you're wrong there, right off the bat.

Twice. In four dot points.

And the clip I transcribed didn't mention anything about the holocaust.

Perhaps you can take some time to find the clip and transcribe Bryce's actual words, the way I did.

I know I may be a bit old fashioned in wanting to deal in actual facts, but that's how I was raised.

 

[phantom13]

In the clip which I transcribed, Mitchell didn't say that Hitler 'hated' Jews, so you're wrong there, right off the bat.

Twice. In four dot points.

And the clip I transcribed didn't mention anything about the holocaust.

Perhaps you can take some time to find the clip and transcribe Bryce's actual words, the way I did.

I know I may be a bit old fashioned in wanting to deal in actual facts, but that's how I was raised.

Oh my apologies he was friendly with jews gayin up the country, the greedy jews gaying up the women and the kids.

Think its a fair assumption he wasnt a fan of jewish people but perhaps you could double check with him when you have a chat with him.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Okay I decided to look into this further and it turns out that Bryce's claims about the burning of 'queer' books was also true.

According to Holocaust.org.uk

"Gay men had no place in the Nazi vision as they did not enable growth of the Aryan population and were deemed unfit to be soldiers. Soon after Hitler took office, he banned all homosexual and lesbian organisations. In May 1933, the Institute for Sexual Science in Berlin was ransacked and most of its 12,000 books publicly burned. This marked the beginning of ridding Germany of any openly homosexual or lesbian culture."

However, the way Bryce said this:

"You know the books that everyone makes fun of Hitler burnin', you know what the books was? Queer books! Hitler burned queer books!"

It makes it sound like those were the only books which were burned (whether or not that is what he meant), but in fact, those books were only one type among many others which were burned.

According to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum:

"Among the authors whose books student leaders burned that night were well-known socialists such as Bertolt Brecht and August Bebel; the founder of the concept of communism, Karl Marx; critical “bourgeois” writers like the Austrian playwright Arthur Schnitzler; and “corrupting foreign influences,” among them American author Ernest Hemingway."

Also it doesn't seem like it was Hitler doing the book burning himself, but instead it was done by some Nazi student association. From the USHMM:

On April 6, 1933, the Nazi German Student Association's Main Office for Press and Propaganda proclaimed a nationwide “Action against the Un-German Spirit,” to climax in a literary purge or “cleansing” (Säuberung) by fire. Local chapters were to supply the press with releases and commissioned articles, offer blacklists of “un-German” authors, sponsor well-known Nazi figures to speak at public gatherings, and negotiate for radio broadcast time.

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Now, see how I've taken the time to:

1) Quote Bryce directly

and

2) Show what the accepted historical sources say

This is more than you or Dana have done.

And I'm not the one who is mad at Bryce.

He said some unhinged things, some of what he said was true, some of it wasn't.