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What difference does that make, though?
Practically, Perth to Brisbane is no different to NY to Denver or Miami to San Diego or whatever.
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The Go Home Factor: Weak AFL Players
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What difference does that make, though?
Practically, Perth to Brisbane is no different to NY to Denver or Miami to San Diego or whatever.
You realize it's not just being close to parents. It's being close to your entire friend/support group.
As someone who moved from Perth to Sydney for work and knew no one in Sydney when I arrived there we're certainly times I thought about moving home, I have built new friend/support circles but it's not easy and can certainly understand why some want to go back
Because living in Perth leaves you to close to where?
Denver is a 10 hour drive to Las Vegas, 13h to Phoenix, 9h to Oklahoma, 11h to Dallas, 9h to Kansas City.....
Perth to Adelaide is......24 hours....
Perth to Darwin is 43 hours....
Perth to Melbourne is 36 hours.....
Perth to Brisbane is 45 hours.....
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Then once you are posted to said unsavoury destination you work your butt off to get yourself to a more savoury destination!!
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Who f**kin cares about this shit? Why can't people just support the boys who play for their club? If some players can't adjust and want to play elsewhere, then why do footy fans get so bent out of shape about it? So f**kin childish.. GROW UP! It's just football, you idiots. Your club doesn't own the players. Be thankful when they renew their contract instead of taking it for granted.
If you are riding on a donkey perhaps.
Melbourne Victory don't draft players from Sydney they come because they want to and go to where the contracts attract them. That is a fundamental difference. They have choice that AFL players don't have. More players will be homesick if they are forced to move away from home rather than chose to move to someone that attracts them. You are comparing apples with oranges and coming up with lemons.
The fact there is only one viable full time professional league probably makes it more likely a legal restraint of trade action would succeed. Labour laws are quite different in the US. In Europe restraint actions have been successful. US professional leagues also start their intake at an older age so players are probably more mature and, having been through the college sysytem, more independent from parents
Its because the system allows them to walk out on the cheap... look how much clubs are valuing top picks in this draft, and then think how little other clubs will value them 2 years down the track just because they know the player will always get where they want to go 99 times out of 100
If I had a chance to do the same job on the same money closer to family and friends and where I want to raise my children I'd do it in a heartbeat.
But apparently AFL players aren't allowed to do that...
But apparently AFL players aren't allowed to do that...
So many people seemingly can't tell the difference between the sport's industry (with equalisation) and whatever other industry everyone else works in (without equalisation). Player movement is regulated in the AFL to try to keep everything relatively even. An even sporting competition in the Australian sporting landscape is important. Other industries are brutal with everyone aspiring to be the top dog. No salary cap on employees, no draft for new university graduates. It makes drawing parallels with other industries completely redundant. The current AFL system is broken (not the player's fault) and something should be done about it. Having players demanding trades to one particular club before reaching free agency status completely undermines free agency and can hold clubs "over a barrel". The 'swings and roundabouts' mentality (i.e. any particular club will have players choose to leave and arrive before the reach FA status so "everything works itself out in the end") that seems common on here is narrow-minded and purely relies on chance to create a fair system. I don't understand how people can think that this is ok in favour of creating a more robust system.
My preference would be for a four year draft contract (with unrestricted trading for clubs. Yes, that means players in the first four years of their careers might end up living in any of Melbourne, Geelong, Adelaide, Perth, Sydney, Brisbane or Gold Coast). The bonus would be that free agency opens up after this first contract. Being 22 and able to play AFL footy wherever you like is a pretty good deal. The extra added bonus for players is that if they're not up to AFL-standard they get paid for four years rather than the two they get now.
On the other end of the spectrum, raising the draft age to 22 could be interesting provided that quality footy was available for 18 - 22 year olds. Yes, some players are good enough from the age of 18. The intention could be for 4 years post year-12 (allowing for a 4 year uni course), that at least 3 years must be spent either at university/tafe, completing an apprenticeship, or working before getting to the AFL. It gives people a chance at developing a set of skills to fall-back on before putting all the eggs in the AFL basket. Maybe university-based teams could work (that obviously can sign players not at university). No, not because that's what America does (because someone is sure to make the comment), but because it makes a certain level of sense (at least in Victoria, not sure what it would be like in other states). A good number of uni's in Victoria (potentially extend to Tasmania also), Melbourne's obviously covered but there's also a good spread of campuses in regional cities/towns: Ballarat (Federation Uni. Surrounding campuses also), Bendigo (La Trobe), Geelong (Deakin Uni), Gippsland (Monash Uni), Mildura (La Trobe or Monash), Shepparton (La Trobe or Melbourne Uni), Warrnambool (Deakin Uni), Albury-Wodonga (La Trobe).
My preference would be for a four year draft contract (with unrestricted trading for clubs. Yes, that means players in the first four years of their careers might end up living in any of Melbourne, Geelong, Adelaide, Perth, Sydney, Brisbane or Gold Coast). The bonus would be that free agency opens up after this first contract. Being 22 and able to play AFL footy wherever you like is a pretty good deal. The extra added bonus for players is that if they're not up to AFL-standard they get paid for four years rather than the two they get now.
On the other end of the spectrum, raising the draft age to 22 could be interesting provided that quality footy was available for 18 - 22 year olds. Yes, some players are good enough from the age of 18. The intention could be for 4 years post year-12 (allowing for a 4 year uni course), that at least 3 years must be spent either at university/tafe, completing an apprenticeship, or working before getting to the AFL. It gives people a chance at developing a set of skills to fall-back on before putting all the eggs in the AFL basket. Maybe university-based teams could work (that obviously can sign players not at university). No, not because that's what America does (because someone is sure to make the comment), but because it makes a certain level of sense (at least in Victoria, not sure what it would be like in other states). A good number of uni's in Victoria (potentially extend to Tasmania also), Melbourne's obviously covered but there's also a good spread of campuses in regional cities/towns: Ballarat (Federation Uni. Surrounding campuses also), Bendigo (La Trobe), Geelong (Deakin Uni), Gippsland (Monash Uni), Mildura (La Trobe or Monash), Shepparton (La Trobe or Melbourne Uni), Warrnambool (Deakin Uni), Albury-Wodonga (La Trobe).
Worst idea this year, or worst idea ever?
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I think we should go with the way NBA does it. 2 years contract and then when it concludes the club has an option to have the player for another 2 years.
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You're overplaying the difference. At a guess I would estimate that around half of all Australian players in the A-League come from Sydney. There are only two clubs in Sydney so players move elsewhere. Drafted or otherwise there are only so many spots to go around.
Given there is free movement for all out of contract players, why aren't there scores of players in the A-League, Super Rugby, NBL etc. all queuing up each each to return to their home cities?
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Completely agree with the OP.
Messi can live half a world away from his family but Chris Judd can't live a five hour flight and be back in his home town every second weekend.
Weak as _ _ _ _.
Messi can live half a world away from his family but Chris Judd can't live a five hour flight and be back in his home town every second weekend.
Weak as _ _ _ _.
Or.
Maybe.
He was able to move back home and do the same job on better coin so did it?
I'd say supporters need to harden the **** up.
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Messi has dual citizenship with Spain and Argentina, his whole family lives in Spain are dual citizens as well. Spain is their home.
I'm salty about Dangerfield leaving because he was the best player in the team that I followed -
I will yell out things from the boundry line next time I see him play that he'll never hear
The theatre that is football has cast my new footy villain - I'll maintain my right as an audience member to ridicule him (and Gunston) in whatever way enhances that theatre - I'll mostly try to cast dispersions on his character through questioning his mental toughness by not being able to stick it out at a footy club that needed him because he took the easy option.
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In real life though, he doesn't have to justify anything to anyone besides himself and those closest to him
I will yell out things from the boundry line next time I see him play that he'll never hear
The theatre that is football has cast my new footy villain - I'll maintain my right as an audience member to ridicule him (and Gunston) in whatever way enhances that theatre - I'll mostly try to cast dispersions on his character through questioning his mental toughness by not being able to stick it out at a footy club that needed him because he took the easy option.
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In real life though, he doesn't have to justify anything to anyone besides himself and those closest to him
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I don't think that's right. All players that left at the end of 2013 wanted to return to their home state and that desire was combined for a number of reasons, not all of which were to do with 'poor welfare systems' and an 'immature coach'.
Jared Polec
"I am at home in Port Adelaide. I grew up barracking for the Power, its such a great club and its a dream now to play for them. I probably wasn't as professional as I should have been and the injuries didn't help....."
- Jared Polec March 13th 2014.
Shaun Hart, the former Brisbane player and now Port Adelaide's director of coaching how big a role "being home" had played in the dashing midfielder becoming one of the recruits of the year, Hart said "enormous".
"He's back in a place where he feels like he's home and he's comfortable. And I think that's important for Jared, probably as much any other AFL footballer I've seen. He has worked really well once he got back to the environment that he grew up in."
Elliott Yeo - specifically requested a trade to his home state and was happy to play for either Fremantle or West Coast. His mamanger Colin Young said at the time that the reason for Yeo's decision to go home was not because of the Lions coaching situation, but because of Yeo's wanting to be back closer to family and friends.
Sam Docherty - chose Carlton because it was a strong club that had just played finals, because Mick Malthouse was coach and because he thought the team could achieve big things and he had grown up barracking for the club, just like his late father.
"I missed being able to go down the road to visit my aunty or having dinner with family or mates and just seeing a familiar face,"
'We're all leaving for one reason'. In the media it got hyped up that everyone wanted to leave because of 'Vossy', but that wasn't anyone's reason I don't think."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ted-him-to-blues/story-fni5f5nx-1226772473438
Billy Longer - went home to Victoria
"It's just that I thought St Kilda was the best place for me to develop my football. I saw the direction that this club was heading and also an opening, with Ben McEvoy leaving, for me to play some [senior] football. Added to the coming-home factor it just seemed like a great opportunity that I didn't want to miss.''
I'd leave any NSW or QLD club but definitely stay with WA or SA clubs.
Clubs with passion > plastic AFL dollars
Clubs with passion > plastic AFL dollars
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There's plenty of passion at the Brisbane Lions. Like Victorian clubs, Brisbane is a football club owned by the members. Not by the AFL or some company owned by another football league.
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Players mostly use it as an excuse to move rather than it being the main reason they want to move.
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