The Hangar Computer / Computer Building Thread

[Howard Moon]

once you go mac you don’t go back

The whole point of apple is the software (which is highly integrated between devices and thus you become addicted to the ecosystem). If you’re running windows on it then a hunk of aluminium with an apple logo on it becomes an expensive bit of junk. And on top of that new macs don’t have ports on them other than USB-C so you have to get adaptors. So then it’s even more useless.

The other thing with Mac is that your IT guy will probably set up the windows computers so they’re the only admin and the kid is parental locked out of everything and can’t install stuff without permission.

Macs can’t really do that, the non-admin accounts are so restrictive that they’re effectively useless so the kid would most likely have an admin account which… might be more than you bargained for.

And do. not. get a mac if you’re running bootcamp. Bootcamp partitions the hard drive so it can run OSX on one side with its own storage or reboot into W11 on the other part of the drive. That’s just painful, especially if you partition it with too much on one side versus the other, you end up having to reformat everything to fix it. Do not recommend.

If you get an apple you can run windows software in an app called parallels which is still within Mac OS but like a window within a window basically. But it’s kinda pointless if everyone else is using windows as things will operate slightly differently, more headache than it’s worth.

bolded sounds like a cult?

 

[Lore]

You should stay away from Apple anyway because they suck s**t.

Apple is great if you’re a normal human doing normal human things.

Not much good if you’re an engineer trying to plug it into a car and run analytics on the ignition timing or whatever though.

 

[Lore]

bolded sounds like a cult?

Depends how much brain is involved

 

[Howard Moon]

Depends how much brain is involved

Back when I got my last phone , or is it called a device now? Anyhow I got a pixel and thought oh this is cool! , everything talks to everything and set up is a breeze, all my bookmarks stick across devices.. life's easy...then it started to get creepy, it knows where I need to be tomorrow and why? It's telling me I'm due to pick up the kids at school, address supplied .

Ease up a bit google, your getting weird mang

 

[Beerfish]

Apple is great if you’re a normal human doing normal human things.

Not much good if you’re an engineer trying to plug it into a car and run analytics on the ignition timing or whatever though.

Apple is great if you don't mind being sucked into an Apple vortex that infects every part of your electronic life and you can never get out of and have no desire to do anything but use the product the way Apple provides it to you.

 

[Beerfish]

Back when I got my last phone , or is it called a device now? Anyhow I got a pixel and thought oh this is cool! , everything talks to everything and set up is a breeze, all my bookmarks stick across devices.. life's easy...then it started to get creepy, it knows where I need to be tomorrow and why? It's telling me I'm due to pick up the kids at school, address supplied .

Ease up a bit google, your getting weird mang

Embrace it.

 

[Howard Moon]

Embrace it.

it was getting annoying for mrs moon - who is a travel agent - it kept teasing us by telling us we were due to catch a flight to tanzania, or costa rica or panama or wherever else she had booked somebody

google can troll like the best

 

[Lore]

Back when I got my last phone , or is it called a device now? Anyhow I got a pixel and thought oh this is cool! , everything talks to everything and set up is a breeze, all my bookmarks stick across devices.. life's easy...then it started to get creepy, it knows where I need to be tomorrow and why? It's telling me I'm due to pick up the kids at school, address supplied .

Ease up a bit google, your getting weird mang

There’s a name for that:

Creepiness–Convenience Tradeoff

As people consider whether to use the new "creepy" technologies, they do a type of cost-benefit analysis weighing the loss of privacy against the benefits they will receive in return.

www.nngroup.com

And yes, this is part of the reason I went to Apple Apple can of course use what it knows to help you as well, but at least it asks first!

I had a Motorola google thing before the iPhones and it decided to import my Facebook contacts and reconcile it all with the phone numbers in my address book. You couldn’t seem to divorce the two, it wanted to integrate the entire data set and lord knows what it would do next with the data after that.

That is also part of the reason I don’t use Facebook anymore. I mean along with the part where my friend thought she was pregnant when we were like 17 and next thing I’m getting ads for baby clothes. None of my communication through apple influences the ads I see.

I’m a notorious sandboxer though, I tend to airgap parts of my life in different systems so it’s not all in one folder on Dropbox.

 

[Howard Moon]

There’s a name for that:

Creepiness–Convenience Tradeoff

As people consider whether to use the new "creepy" technologies, they do a type of cost-benefit analysis weighing the loss of privacy against the benefits they will receive in return.

www.nngroup.com

And yes, this is part of the reason I went to Apple Apple can of course use what it knows to help you as well, but at least it asks first!

I had a Motorola google thing before the iPhones and it decided to import my Facebook contacts and reconcile it all with the phone numbers in my address book. You couldn’t seem to divorce the two, it wanted to integrate the entire data set and lord knows what it would do next with the data after that.

That is also part of the reason I don’t use Facebook anymore. I mean along with the part where my friend thought she was pregnant when we were like 17 and next thing I’m getting ads for baby clothes. None of my communication through apple influences the ads I see.

I’m a notorious sandboxer though, I tend to airgap parts of my life in different systems so it’s not all in one folder on Dropbox.

but in the reverse - apple converted all the photos on mrs moons phone to some weird compression and now when we try to look back on them or make grandma a photo calander we cant get them back to any form of blow up or printable quality - granted this might be out untech savviness, but its still an annoyance

 

[Beerfish]

but in the reverse - apple converted all the photos on mrs moons phone to some weird compression and now when we try to look back on them or make grandma a photo calander we cant get them back to any form of blow up or printable quality - granted this might be out untech savviness, but its still an annoyance

Nah it's probably Apple. Apple decides what you want to do and the only way you can do it.

 

[Howard Moon]

Nah it's probably Apple. Apple decides what you want to do and the only way you can do it.

Didn't even get to iTunes! Ruins the entire music library

 

[Beerfish]

Didn't even get to iTunes! Ruins the entire music library

And God forbid you want to extract your music and do something else with it. Good luck finding your pearl jam mp3 which has now been renamed CEJJVDXB BHGFFK and buried 10 folders deep.

 

[Lore]

but in the reverse - apple converted all the photos on mrs moons phone to some weird compression and now when we try to look back on them or make grandma a photo calander we cant get them back to any form of blow up or printable quality - granted this might be out untech savviness, but its still an annoyance

HEIF I'm guessing. If you go into settings and then into camera you can change the format to save always as a jpeg instead.

I just tried emailing a photo and a screenshot to myself from my phone to my computer and they were HEIF on the phone but jpeg on the computer. Seems to convert it when it's attached to email to prevent exactly this problem.

 

[Lore]

Didn't even get to iTunes! Ruins the entire music library

And God forbid you want to extract your music and do something else with it. Good luck finding your pearl jam mp3 which has now been renamed CEJJVDXB BHGFFK and buried 10 folders deep.

There are also settings for this

 

[Howard Moon]

HEIF I'm guessing. If you go into settings and then into camera you can change the format to save always as a jpeg instead.

I just tried emailing a photo and a screenshot to myself from my phone to my computer and they were HEIF on the phone but jpeg on the computer. Seems to convert it when it's attached to email to prevent exactly this problem.

I've just accepted Ive reached the age point where I'm comfortable with technology I know, anything else can gagf... I probably use 30% of my technologies capabilities, even my new car, I tried reading the book and stopped after 5 mins...heated seats, tick.. assisted something or other, yeh nah, I'll just turn the wipers on myself when it rains..

If I need to adjust a setting it's too far, the default should be the right setting!

 

[Lore]

I've just accepted Ive reached the age point where I'm comfortable with technology I know, anything else can gagf... I probably use 30% of my technologies capabilities, even my new car, I tried reading the book and stopped after 5 mins...heated seats, tick.. assisted something or other, yeh nah, I'll just turn the wipers on myself when it rains

Unlike my computer, my car is flat out having ABS. Lights, wipers etc are all manual. No cruise control. Stereo doesn't even have bluetooth and my phone doesn't have aux

I jump in someone else's car to move it and it's all button start this, rear camera that, everything beeping and buzzing and carrying on. Then the phone connects and

 

[Howard Moon]

The cars a weird one I was driving this hybrid corolla around, it just felt wrong! No sound, push button park brake that makes an electronic noise when it engages... Can't feel the road at all when driving, no steering feel.

I dunno, I feel like I like my car to be more mechanical, driving is an intuitive thing. Didn't the guy who invented computers say something about the unerring certanty of machinery?.. But a mechanical car still needs it's human to push the clutch at the right time, figure out it's understeer ect it becomes like an old friend you were attached to, now it's just this robot thing you sit in.

*Old man yells at cloud

 

[Pweter]

Her school doesn't do textbooks

Does anyone do text books any more? I know my eldest hasn't used them at high school (nearly finished year 9).

I feel old.

 

[Howard Moon]

Does anyone do text books any more? I know my eldest hasn't used them at high school (nearly finished year 9).

I feel old.

Hmm not sure, the other school we toured still had some books on a book list, ours had zero

 

[Lore]

Does anyone do text books any more? I know my eldest hasn't used them at high school (nearly finished year 9).

I feel old.

You use them when you need specialised knowledge that isn't available on... wikipedia or whatever. But most books these days are online in some form or another anyway, there are a lot of licensed "bookshelf" type apps that various publishers work with to make sure their copyright is protected.

 

[Pweter]

The cars a weird one I was driving this hybrid corolla around, it just felt wrong! No sound, push button park brake that makes an electronic noise when it engages... Can't feel the road at all when driving, no steering feel.

I dunno, I feel like I like my car to be more mechanical, driving is an intuitive thing. Didn't the guy who invented computers say something about the unerring certanty of machinery?.. But a mechanical car still needs it's human to push the clutch at the right time, figure out it's understeer ect it becomes like an old friend you were attached to, now it's just this robot thing you sit in.

*Old man yells at cloud

If we ever meet again Howie, we'll have a good ol' chat about back in the day

 

[Beerfish]

There are also settings for this

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They must have been inundated by complaints.

 

[Howard Moon]

They must have been inundated by complaints.

The headphone jack removal was treasonous!

 

[Lore]

They must have been inundated by complaints.

It's been there for years and years.

Although one of the things about Mac is that you don't tend to spend a whole lot of time on manual file management. They tend to have powerful enough search engines that you can find everything you need in a split second and let the computer handle the filing, so it's not like "C Drive" "D drive".

Was one of the biggest things to get used to for me as I was compulsively organising folders and deep diving into settings on windows before I moved across.

I have music and TV shows which I let it file for me, but it renames everything pretty logically, it's not a string of gibberish if it ever was. Usually a folder for the show name, within that a folder for each season, and then each episode is named with the episode number and title.

The confusing part though is if you don't buy things in albums. It stores music by the artist and then the sub-folders are by album, but if you are someone who collects music one song at a time and only the ones you like, then you end up with like a track from the greatest hits album and another off the original album etc, at which point it becomes a bit messy.

Although these days I don't really collect downloaded music anymore, there's so many streaming services to choose from that are cheaper and easier to manage.

 

[Beerfish]

It's been there for years and years.

I haven't had an ipod for years and years.