Sport The Hangar Cricket Thread IV

[BrunoV]

That's crap. The first three were all very even, the only one you could argue being outplayed is the last one.

Have you looked at the averages of the players?

There was nothing about these conditions that took us out of our comfort zone in the way seaming decks and swinging dukes would normally.

Our bowlers were neutralised but the English faced the same problems, neutralising Anderson completely, for example.

They implemented tactics and overall strategies to overcome the talent gulf between the sides and it worked. It exposed a complacent psychology bailed out by an 8th wicket stand, a 1/10,000 stumping/run out and then rain as we were falling to the mat for a 10 count.

At the end of the day we retain the Ashes and there is no disputing it. Our lazy, complacent batting and horrible bowling plans resulted in close tests when the English are barely fit as reserves for our test side.

 

[TheGrizz]

Comprehensively outplayed in 4 tests and could still win the series 3-1.

It's all very strange.

I don't agree, England have won every toss and had the best of the conditions in all 4 tests.
The fact we won't the first two despite easily having the worst of the conditions says we outplayed them in tests 1 and 2, at least to me.

I think the 3rd test was pretty even bar the last 60 balls of England's first innings, and test 4 was clearly their best and our worst.

 

[Kong]

BrunoV do you genuinely believe Bairstow's dismissal lost England the 2nd test?

Don't forget that he averages 30 against Australia, and up until his 99* when the 4th test was iced, averaged 23 in this series.

So let's say he made those 20 extra runs (he was dismissed on 10), England still lose.

The guy cannot handle pressure, and every statistic suggests he would have been out shortly after that anyway.

 

[jannissary]

what's most important is that england don't get the ashes, they've cried about everything that hasn't gone their way this series, it's embarrassing and to me, totally against the spirit of the game.

they misplayed their first test, played badly in the 2nd, both were realistically winnable, but at the end of the day cricket is a 5 day affair, not 3-4, if you don't understand that then you'll struggle against teams that don't engage with the bazball garbage

 

[BrunoV]

BrunoV do you genuinely believe Bairstow's dismissal lost England the 2nd test?

Don't forget that he averages 30 against Australia, and up until his 99* when the 4th test was iced, averaged 23 in this series.

So let's say he made those 20 extra runs (he was dismissed on 10), England still lose.

The guy cannot handle pressure, and every statistic suggests he would have been out shortly after that anyway.

I think it is very arguable.

He scored 78 and 20 in the first test.

We were bowling pedestrian bouncers and fed Stokes at least 50% of his runs that way. As far as I can tell we didn't ever change that tactic bouncing Stokes until the end.

We're playing cricket based on averages. They're playing for bug moments, setting up matches to come home with the crowd at their back.

I tend to think Carey's actions speak for themselves.

 

[yodellinhank]

We're playing cricket based on averages. They're playing for bug moments, setting up matches to come home with the crowd at their back.

I tend to think Carey's actions speak for themselves.

Not a big enough moment for you?

 

[Kong]

I'd argue that Australia winning the 2nd test despite their terrible bowling tactics says even more about England.

I'm not sure that strengthens any argument that England were better, "Aus played poorly but still won".

 

[eth-dog]

Piers Morgan's tears are worth everything

 

[TheGrizz]

Dropping Brook on 5 looks costly here. Could have had them all out pretty cheap otherwise.

Carey has barely put a foot wrong all series with the glove, so you can forgive a mistake, but that was a dolly of a opportunity by his standards.

 

[BrunoV]

Guys it's time to bat for 2 days.

Introduction Bazball to the factor of time.

 

[TheGrizz]

Guys it's time to bat for 2 days.

Introduction Bazball to the factor of time.

This is key for me, it does two things

1. Gives our bowlers - who are playing their 6th test in 7.5 weeks - as much rest as possible.

2. England are desperate to win. If we can build a 100-150 lead with 2-2.5 days to play, they have to go hell for leather to build a leas to bowl us out. The controlled aggression of 'Bazball' moves aside for more risks, increasing wicket taking opportunities.

 

[Kong]

ECB chair calls for 'flexibility' in Test schedules to avoid future wash-outs

Richard Thompson says he will speak to ICC after disappointment of Old Trafford draw

www.espncricinfo.com

The nonsense continues.

The Chairman of the ECB: "I will talk to Greg Barclay, the chair of the ICC, for sure, just in the sense of him understanding what England has done to Test cricket. We've elevated that format and reinvented the way Test cricket has been played now.

"There's significantly more excitement and interest around Test cricket now, and this is part of that broader conversation, to ensure that schedules can be more flexible to accommodate this type of strange eventuality. But we need to have that conversation."

Maybe wait a few years to see whether the format has actually changed, and not just with one team.

It's also incredibly ignorant and ignores what New Zealand (through Baz) have been doing for 5-10 years.

 

[Darealrath]

Would be great to see Marnus, Smith and Head to all click in the same innings. Probably too much to expect.

 

[jannissary]

ECB chair calls for 'flexibility' in Test schedules to avoid future wash-outs

Richard Thompson says he will speak to ICC after disappointment of Old Trafford draw

www.espncricinfo.com

The nonsense continues.

The Chairman of the ECB: "I will talk to Greg Barclay, the chair of the ICC, for sure, just in the sense of him understanding what England has done to Test cricket. We've elevated that format and reinvented the way Test cricket has been played now.

"There's significantly more excitement and interest around Test cricket now, and this is part of that broader conversation, to ensure that schedules can be more flexible to accommodate this type of strange eventuality. But we need to have that conversation."

Maybe wait a few years to see whether the format has actually changed, and not just with one team.

It's also incredibly ignorant and ignores what New Zealand (through Baz) have been doing for 5-10 years.

we’ve changed how test cricket is played

i never liked watching ODIs and this style just reminds me of that. it’s laughable that he’s begging for some changes because their rampant slogging is “exciting” to watch. if i wanted to see halfwits throw their bat at the ball constantly id just watch t20 cricket. it reeks of bullshit

 

[jannissary]

on a walk last night while listening to the radio (specifically the cricket) i almost got hit by a car because i was rolling my eyes at our choice to bowl first, im still unsure as to weather or not it was the right decision but apart from some basic errors (dropped catches) we did good to get them out cheap

 

[Pweter]

i never liked watching ODIs and this style just reminds me of that. it’s laughable that he’s begging for some changes because their rampant slogging is “exciting” to watch. if i wanted to see halfwits throw their bat at the ball constantly id just watch t20 cricket. it reeks of bullshit

If they hadn't built themselves up to monumental heights only to be pulled back to the field by a more traditional approach to test cricket, would we be hearing about this?

Test matches (especially in England) have had days abandoned since day dot. It's always been annoying, moreso for those in a winning position. Only now that Bazball hasn't delivered a series win, let alone retain the Ashes, are they complaining. If they were already 2-1 up they'd probably be saying "it's unfortunate but we've got the 5th test to get the series win and win the Ashes".

If you scroll back a page or 2 I said Stokes should declare with their ~70 run lead at the start of play on day 3 given the forecast, it'd put the pressure back on Australia. Batting as long as they did pretty much took any chance of winning out of the equation. They knew the forecast, don't complain because you didn't play Bazball as aggressively as you talk about it.

 

[BrunoV]

If they hadn't built themselves up to monumental heights only to be pulled back to the field by a more traditional approach to test cricket, would we be hearing about this?

Test matches (especially in England) have had days abandoned since day dot. It's always been annoying, moreso for those in a winning position. Only now that Bazball hasn't delivered a series win, let alone retain the Ashes, are they complaining. If they were already 2-1 up they'd probably be saying "it's unfortunate but we've got the 5th test to get the series win and retain the Ashes".

If you scroll back a page or 2 I said Stokes should declare with their ~70 run lead at the start of play on day 3 given the forecast, it'd put the pressure back on Australia. Batting as long as they did pretty much took any chance of winning out of the equation. They knew the forecast, don't complain because you didn't play Bazball as aggressively as you talk about it.

Is that when they left Bairstow to try to make the century?

Ironically that's one of the few key moments they didnt Bazball.

 

[BrunoV]

I hope when they return to Australia the pitches are hard and fast.

I want to see how this all holds up in unfavourable conditions.

 

[Pweter]

Is that when they left Bairstow to try to make the century?

Ironically that's one of the few key moments they didnt Bazball.

Yep. I was expecting them to throw the bat for an hour maximum, instead they batted until well after lunch. The fact we were 4 down by stumps says they missed a huge opportunity, and all for a guy who didn't get his ton anyway.

 

[BrunoV]

Yep. I was expecting them to throw the bat for an hour maximum, instead they batted until well after lunch. The fact we were 4 down by stumps says they missed a huge opportunity, and all for a guy who didn't get his ton anyway.

Makes a difference when they like the guy.

When you're Maxy Klinger they declare on you in a Shield match minutes from your maiden first class century.

 

[Pweter]

Makes a difference when they like the guy.

When your Maxy Klinger they declare on you in a Shield match minutes from your maiden first class century.

Not as cruel as Cummins declaring on Khawaja when he was on 195 in the Sydney test this year

 

[BrunoV]

Not as cruel as Cummins declaring on Khawaja when he was on 195 in the Sydney test this year

195, 200...400, it's all a century.

 

[jannissary]

If they hadn't built themselves up to monumental heights only to be pulled back to the field by a more traditional approach to test cricket, would we be hearing about this?

Test matches (especially in England) have had days abandoned since day dot. It's always been annoying, moreso for those in a winning position. Only now that Bazball hasn't delivered a series win, let alone retain the Ashes, are they complaining. If they were already 2-1 up they'd probably be saying "it's unfortunate but we've got the 5th test to get the series win and win the Ashes".

If you scroll back a page or 2 I said Stokes should declare with their ~70 run lead at the start of play on day 3 given the forecast, it'd put the pressure back on Australia. Batting as long as they did pretty much took any chance of winning out of the equation. They knew the forecast, don't complain because you didn't play Bazball as aggressively as you talk about it.

it’s ridiculous how they’re ignoring the historical fact that it’s just accepted that a day’ll be washed out in england.

 

[sameolds33]

ECB chair calls for 'flexibility' in Test schedules to avoid future wash-outs

Richard Thompson says he will speak to ICC after disappointment of Old Trafford draw

www.espncricinfo.com

The nonsense continues.

The Chairman of the ECB: "I will talk to Greg Barclay, the chair of the ICC, for sure, just in the sense of him understanding what England has done to Test cricket. We've elevated that format and reinvented the way Test cricket has been played now.

"There's significantly more excitement and interest around Test cricket now, and this is part of that broader conversation, to ensure that schedules can be more flexible to accommodate this type of strange eventuality. But we need to have that conversation."

Maybe wait a few years to see whether the format has actually changed, and not just with one team.

It's also incredibly ignorant and ignores what New Zealand (through Baz) have been doing for 5-10 years.

One of the unique features of test cricket is the strategy. Maintaining focus and knowing when to go, when to declare, whether to bat or bowl. "Flexibility" undermines these decisions and an essential part of the game. The English should just stop whinging. They're a good team, and both sides are evenly matched. They should just play to the laws of cricket and stop with this gamesmanship. It's distracting and irritating.

 

[Kong]

On that note, I see Bairstow's still doing the whole "is the ball dead?" both as batsman and keeper.

It was kinda funny when Broad (and Bairstow in his next innings) did it once or twice.. after that it felt like a little kid milking a joke.

Now it just comes across as extremely sour grapes, and surely a distraction for himself, if anything.