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[King Patty]

I'm sick of hearing people are stupid or low iq or low information for voting one way or the other.
Essentially they are just annoyed they don't agree with their views.

In America you don't have to vote and these people are going out of their way to vote.
Deserve a little bit more respect.

 

[faible]

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Love that data collection changed in 2020, coinciding with a skyrocket in numbers, such that nothing prior to March 2020 can be compared to after March 2020 on that graph.

 

[King Patty]

Illegal immigration was trending downwards under Biden

only after they realised it had become a election issue and the president issued a executive order.
which they could have done when they took office. And continued Trumps stance.

 

[faible]

I'm sick of hearing people are stupid or low iq or low information for voting one way or the other.
Essentially they are just annoyed they don't agree with their views.

In America you don't have to vote and these people are going out of their way to vote.
Deserve a little bit more respect.

These can still all be accurate on both sides.

More educated voters, means being able to identify bullshit when a party comes up with it.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Going to a university and studying a biomedical degree, for example, has very little to do with increasing one's ability to understand if a party's policy on immigration or world affairs is bullshit or not. Most of that is basic common sense and how much time an individual has spent looking into said topics.

I'd argue one's ability to exercise common sense and rational thought has more to do with their early formulative years/their upbringing than some degree they used to get into a specific occupational field. The "he took a class so he can vote better" is a trope and a pretty low IQ one at that.

How people vote is based on many variables, most of which relates to one's lived experience and how certain things are likely to affect said lived experience that no other person can also have in the exact way.

Also there are multiple well known and educated people on social media who believe in and spout some of the most schizo stuff imaginable.

 

[faible]

Going to a university and studying a biomedical degree, for example, has very little to do with increasing one's ability to understand if a party's policy on immigration or world affairs is bullshit or not. Most of that is basic common sense.

I'd argue one's ability to exercise common sense and rational thought has more to do with their early formulative years/their upbringing than some degree they used to get into a specific occupational field. The "he took a class so he can vote better" is a trope and a pretty low IQ one at that.

Also there are multiple well known people on social media who believe in and spout some of the most schizo stuff imaginable.

Is this a common trope? More than anything it sounds like something the GOP or LNP would say about the people they don't like along with calling them latte-sipping elites or some such.

The assumption that 'basic common stands' allows one to actually understand half the shit you're being presented in a policy platform is a furphy. People might understand a segment of it, if they're bothered to read it properly, and not just relying on their media outlet of choice to package it up for them.

Being educated doesn't mean you need a degree. Plenty of successful business people are clearly very intelligent and understand things like finance and legal documents without having attended university. Plenty of people with degrees believe in illogical things - star signs for example are still weirdy popular with young people.

Understanding the income tax system for example, no one needs a degree for that, everyone (almost everyone) will pay income tax at some point in their lives, and understanding how it works means you can understand what politicians are trying to sell you on.

Plenty of people vote against their self-interest due to a lack of education (as mentioned, no degree necessary) on what they're being asked to vote on, because political parties have wrapped it in a nice narrative, and they lack the knowledge to critically assess what's being presented to them.

Wanting people to be educated isn't a demand that each and every person attends university - there's plenty of smart tradies out there - or that having a degree in biomedical science makes you a relevant topic expert on income tax.

 

[doug85]

only after they realised it had become a election issue and the president issued a executive order.
which they could have done when they took office. And continued Trumps stance.

It was a joke

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

The healthcare plan seems to be "let RFK Jr do what he wants".

Which is probably anti-health anti-care.

Having an anti-vaxer with a worm eating through his brain in charge of your healthcare system….what could go wrong??

I’ve got a feeling we will see a headline along the lines of “rare disease not seen since vaccine developed in 1950’s breaks out in US” at some point in the next 5 years

 

[Loonerty]

Having an anti-vaxer with a worm eating through his brain in charge of your healthcare system….what could go wrong??

I’ve got a feeling we will see a headline along the lines of “rare disease not seen since vaccine developed in 1950’s breaks out in US” at some point in the next 5 years

Also keen to see how their cost of living ease goes when they're having to spend shitloads more at the dentist after fluoride stops being added to their water.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Also keen to see how their cost of living ease goes when they're having to spend shitloads more at the dentist after fluoride stops being added to their water.

Deporting millions of illegal workers, massive tax cuts, tariffs on imported goods, and pressure on the federal reserve to lower interest rates will send it through the roof if he actually goes ahead with all the stuff he promised

 

[boncer34]

Is this a common trope? More than anything it sounds like something the GOP or LNP would say about the people they don't like along with calling them latte-sipping elites or some such.

The assumption that 'basic common stands' allows one to actually understand half the shit you're being presented in a policy platform is a furphy. People might understand a segment of it, if they're bothered to read it properly, and not just relying on their media outlet of choice to package it up for them.

Being educated doesn't mean you need a degree. Plenty of successful business people are clearly very intelligent and understand things like finance and legal documents without having attended university. Plenty of people with degrees believe in illogical things - star signs for example are still weirdy popular with young people.

Understanding the income tax system for example, no one needs a degree for that, everyone (almost everyone) will pay income tax at some point in their lives, and understanding how it works means you can understand what politicians are trying to sell you on.

Plenty of people vote against their self-interest due to a lack of education (as mentioned, no degree necessary) on what they're being asked to vote on, because political parties have wrapped it in a nice narrative, and they lack the knowledge to critically assess what's being presented to them.

Wanting people to be educated isn't a demand that each and every person attends university - there's plenty of smart tradies out there - or that having a degree in biomedical science makes you a relevant topic expert on income tax.

I've been reading a lot of vitriol directed at uneducated blue collar and red neck morons the last 72 hours and none of the people sprouting that vitriol would ever vote LNP or GOP.

 

[faible]

I've been reading a lot of vitriol directed at uneducated blue collar and red neck morons the last 72 hours and none of the people sprouting that vitriol would ever vote LNP or GOP.

I was referring to the bolded comment in his post when I said that

 

[boncer34]

I was referring to the bolded comment in his post when I said that

I'm aware.

 

[justlookingaround]

Man I'm gonna be in the US during the transfer of power in Jan, in a selfish way I was kind of hoping Trump would win because I thought there'd more likely be acts of violent protest if Harris won... then I remembered that last time Trump came into office he created mayhem at the airports for weeks with his Muslim ban...

In terms of actual policy, I'm pretty worried about how his tariffs are going to effect investments.
I think in the long term it's possible they will benefit Americans and reenergise the manufacturing industry, and it would likely cause Australia to become much closer to China unless we see some sort of bilateral trade agreement through AUKUS, Albo and Rudd better get ready to kiss some serious feet.

Socially, the Republicans controlling all 3 branches of government is frankly terrifying.

 

[ant555]

I'll admit I'm not really across the real details of US politics.

But surely in the following days after the results, hearing celebrities say how upset and distraught they are on social media, having talk show hosts lecture people on how horrible this is as a result and how broken the country is and the constant talk of continuing the fight, and the battle and we will win the war type comments is the issue here.

Saying you have a deeply racist country or a country that is against women and having that as your message is missing the point of why a result like this happened.
People are struggling, they cannot feed their families, they can't get jobs. They seemingly voted for the guy that campaigned on those points.

Throwing a tantrum and calling these people racists or sexists or trash because the result didn't go your way while you sit on your pile of cash is the most tone deaf way of swaying people to your side, it is certainly a decision.

Maybe a lesson would be not lecturing or condescending to these people and trying to listen to them and reach them?
This lesson is apparent across time and across societies, yet for some reason these people don't get it.
If your rich and successful, assuming that your priorities are other peoples priorities is the height of stupidity

Was thinking similar.
A lot of people do not want to hear celebrities or the rich and famous telling them who to vote for when they are going about their normal lives and battling away.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Is this a common trope?

It is. When people say "among educated voters in America they're referring to college educated voters. Which is a naive and dumb approach.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Man I'm gonna be in the US during the transfer of power in Jan, in a selfish way I was kind of hoping Trump would win because I thought there'd more likely be acts of violent protest if Harris won... then I remembered that last time Trump came into office he created mayhem at the airports for weeks with his Muslim ban...

In terms of actual policy, I'm pretty worried about how his tariffs are going to effect investments.
I think in the long term it's possible they will benefit Americans and reenergise the manufacturing industry, and it would likely cause Australia to become much closer to China unless we see some sort of bilateral trade agreement through AUKUS, Albo and Rudd better get ready to kiss some serious feet.

Socially, the Republicans controlling all 3 branches of government is frankly terrifying.

The trouble is a lot of local manufacturing requires imported components or raw material that are impacted by tariffs anyway.

 

[ant555]

The trouble is a lot of local manufacturing requires imported components or raw material that are impacted by tariffs anyway.

What is this local manufacturing you speak of ?